Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

**Da_Czar** · 06-15-2009, 02:52 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Originally posted by RayAP19

But then if you do that, people will still complain.

Like for example, if someone scored tried to score all their points on you with Kobe but he got too tired, they'd say "But Kobe scored 81 and being tired didn't make him shoot worse!"

Or if someone tried to constantly drive with LeBron James, but got stripped when they tried to force themselves into crowds, they'd say "But LeBron gets double-/triple-teamed all the time and doesn't lose the ball this much!"

Lose-lose situation basically

Hence the need for a sim/ arcade option with these games. Ship it with arcade. Sim heads will know where to go to switch that off because of places like OS.

Problem minimized.

**stephensonmc** · 06-15-2009, 02:58 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

a really good game can be played either way. It depends on how the user plays it.

that's just my opinion.

23 · 06-15-2009, 03:02 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

I never understood why people played online games against a bunch of randoms anyhow.

**pbz06** · 06-15-2009, 03:04 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

For online, you just have to find a good group of online buddies and play mostly with them. I do this for Madden, NHL, The Show, and Live.

Otherwise, Online is just too much cheeze most of the time. People don't play realistically.

**NoTiCe_O** · 06-15-2009, 03:07 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Well i play online to see how match up against other players across the globe.

**RayAP19** · 06-15-2009, 03:07 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Originally posted by 23

I never understood why people played online games against a bunch of randoms anyhow.

Me, neither. People play randoms and then complain about it, then play more randoms, complain some more, and it never ends.

Just play your friends or the CPU.

23 · 06-15-2009, 03:12 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Exactly Ray.. there's enough to go around for everyone, but complaining about cheesers is only a problem if you continue to play them.

I do admit Live online this year was a hot mess, but playing against someone who's main objective isnt score at will no matter the cost makes the experience better.

**RayAP19** · 06-15-2009, 03:16 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

With Live I don't think there's really any excuse. The AI is nice and realistic and isn't dumb as dirt or anything as far as I know. You can change sliders and difficulty to your liking, so just play the CPU.

**jfsolo** · 06-15-2009, 03:28 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Originally posted by RayAP19

But then if you do that, people will still complain.

Like for example, if someone scored tried to score all their points on you with Kobe but he got too tired, they'd say "But Kobe scored 81 and being tired didn't make him shoot worse!"

Or if someone tried to constantly drive with LeBron James, but got stripped when they tried to force themselves into crowds, they'd say "But LeBron gets double-/triple-teamed all the time and doesn't lose the ball this much!"

Lose-lose situation basically

A User can still attempt both of those scenarios in a game which realistically implements those elements of the game that I mention as long they play as they players really do, picking their spots, taking advantage of a hot hand, bad match ups, or just a horrendously porous defensive team.

I know we're in the Live forum, but the clip DC showed in the 2k forum of Yao, getting to the cup using crosses and hesitation dribbles made my head exploded.

Lets say a User takes a player like Trevor Ariza, and tries run around and steal the ball and double team all game, and on the other end tries to cross people up and spin, and hop step in the paint all the time, it should a be an unmitigated disaster.

As Czar said, Sim/Arcade settings, Arcade on default, if you choose to toggle over to the Sim settings, then be prepared to pay the price for playing in a nonsensical faction.

I don't even play online, but I feel like the game should be designed with realistic basketball play as the main consideration every step of the way. It simply makes for a better game in my opinion.

**RayAP19** · 06-15-2009, 03:34 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

A User can still attempt both of those scenarios in a game which realistically implements those elements of the game that I mention as long they play as they players really do, picking their spots, taking advantage of a hot hand, bad match ups, or just a horrendously porous defensive team.

Right, but my point was that they'll still complain if/when it doesn't work, because it happens IRL from time to time. Granted, they'd be in the wrong, considering Kobe couldn't carry the scoring load like that at will and other things like that, but they'd still be upset and complain endlessly about it.

**Pared** · 06-15-2009, 03:35 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Originally posted by RayAP19

Right, but my point was that they'll still complain if/when it doesn't work, because it happens IRL from time to time. Granted, they'd be in the wrong, considering Kobe couldn't carry the scoring load like that at will and other things like that, but they'd still be upset and complain endlessly about it.

Just like a section of the OS user base complained about missing layups in 2k8.

**jfsolo** · 06-15-2009, 03:53 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Now of course I don't have worry about sales figures or Metacritic numbers, so its easy for me to say, "Cry More Noob"

If a development team knows that their implementation of a certain aspect of the game is on point, then they need to resist the cries of the portion of their customer base that doesn't want to use their brains or have to work a little bit more then they're use to, and make those users adjust their games. They'll bitch for a while, but eventually they'll make the adjustment.

With some other game genres, maybe not, but sports gamers will eventually fall in line.

**RayAP19** · 06-15-2009, 03:55 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

If a development team knows that their implementation of a certain aspect of the game is on point, then they need to resist the cries of the portion of their customer base that doesn't want to use their brains or have to work a little bit more then they're use to, and make those users adjust their games. They'll bitch for a while, but eventually they'll make the adjustment.

I disagree, because "cheesers" are a way larger portion of the fanbase than sim players as far as I can tell. They'd lose a few sales most likely and the fanbase would most likely dwindle.

23 · 06-15-2009, 04:30 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Originally posted by RayAP19

A User can still attempt both of those scenarios in a game which realistically implements those elements of the game that I mention as long they play as they players really do, picking their spots, taking advantage of a hot hand, bad match ups, or just a horrendously porous defensive team.

Right, but my point was that they'll still complain if/when it doesn't work, because it happens IRL from time to time. Granted, they'd be in the wrong, considering Kobe couldn't carry the scoring load like that at will and other things like that, but they'd still be upset and complain endlessly about it.

Its funny because i saw the thread in the other forum where a guy wanted to give gilanari that shamgod dribble move because he saw him do it in a summer pick up game.

Good times

**chrome381** · 06-15-2009, 06:35 PM

Re: Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

Originally posted by RayAP19

If a development team knows that their implementation of a certain aspect of the game is on point, then they need to resist the cries of the portion of their customer base that doesn't want to use their brains or have to work a little bit more then they're use to, and make those users adjust their games. They'll bitch for a while, but eventually they'll make the adjustment.

I disagree, because "cheesers" are a way larger portion of the fanbase than sim players as far as I can tell. They'd lose a few sales most likely and the fanbase would most likely dwindle.

Bingo , they cant make a pure sim ball game when the majority of the fan base would rather constantly do windmills with JR on another teams whole roster than to play in a fair true to life fashion. And a company like EA aren't gonna risk loosing a huge chunk of their consumers because were complaining about cheesers.

Bad News: '10 to only have 1 shot button for layups, dunks, jumpshots

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