Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

Nuggets home game?

Would home or away make a difference?

Trying to see if it is a factor or not.

Maybe we should each play 2 games a piece? One on the roard..one at home?

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

I'll be able to play, post sometime this evening.

[randombrother]

Re: Czar\'s game feels scripted group experiment

just wanted to chime in about the experiment, i like the idea, but i have mixed feelings on it, for this reason

doesn\'t DNA almost have to be mastered by someone to get the most out of that team/player ? i mean, the DNA takes into account which direction you decide to drive, and if you pull up or go to the rim, it counts those percentages either FOR or against you. not to mention the catch and shoot percentages, etc etc. so you\'re going to get a lot of decent ballers using the nuggets who may not be completely familiar with them (in terms of dynamic DNA %s), which in turn is going to skew the results. just sayin, because those percentages play a big role in how you do offensively.

my suspicion that what seems like a good shot to some, is actually a low % DNA shot, which in turn could spark a run on the other team if you string together some of those, plus a lot of other variables that are impossible to count for. i really think this is how and why the DNA was implemented in the first place, it displays incredible control over the user\'s outcome. the dynamic dna scouting reports are not just for show, that\'s for sure

in any case i\'m going to play that matchup and let you know what i come up with. peace all

Well see thats part of the whole thing. Is it the user giving up the guts to the cpu or is it something else. Thats part of what this experiment should reveal. If some people feel there is no issue at all in their games while others feel they are getting abused he can then find out what it is that these two groups are doing differently and it may indeed be that one person is playing to the DNA while the other guy is \"freestyling\" it and not taking advantage of what their team and players have to offer.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Team Stats-






Spurs (Home Team-Computer)





Nuggets (Away Team- Me)





This is the best I can help. Even though I got my butt kicked, I enjoyed the game.

[23]

Re: Czar\'s game feels scripted group experiment

Well see thats part of the whole thing. Is it the user giving up the guts to the cpu or is it something else. Thats part of what this experiment should reveal. If some people feel there is no issue at all in their games while others feel they are getting abused he can then find out what it is that these two groups are doing differently and it may indeed be that one person is playing to the DNA while the other guy is \"freestyling\" it and not taking advantage of what their team and players have to offer.

See thats the problem... guys arent explaining if they're playing in panic mode or not, running their team sets or not.

Remember this game has a hidden team tempo meter ala NCAA CH..

I've learned just recently how to put it down on the cpu, and it always involves not taking a ton of quick shots, waiting for the offense to set up, switching up the D and how tight you play some guys..doubling star players liek Duncan for instance, and using my star until they decided to switch their D and bust the holes left open by them..

I played the Spurs recently in my dynasty season.. I'll see if they let me pull up the stats

[Da_Czar]

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See thats the problem... guys arent explaining if they're playing in panic mode or not, running their team sets or not.

Remember this game has a hidden team tempo meter ala NCAA CH..

I've learned just recently how to put it down on the cpu, and it always involves not taking a ton of quick shots, waiting for the offense to set up, switching up the D and how tight you play some guys..doubling star players liek Duncan for instance, and using my star until they decided to switch their D and bust the holes left open by them..

I played the Spurs recently in my dynasty season.. I'll see if they let me pull up the stats

i am going to post my entire 12 minute game the good and the bad. that way you will literally see if all these lectures about playing real basketball work or not. I'm not going hi rez cause it'll take forever to upload.

FF thanks for the screen shots Baby !!! that is what I'm talking about.

Guys just join in if you can. we can debate the merits of it later. Thats kind of the point is to give us some data point to discuss. I know everyone can't capture so i will capture mine warts and all so that we have that to add to the discussion

of course good or bad its only one game. yada yada yada but we can move on from here if we just get something down first.

[therizing02]

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See thats the problem... guys arent explaining if they're playing in panic mode or not, running their team sets or not.

Remember this game has a hidden team tempo meter ala NCAA CH..

I've learned just recently how to put it down on the cpu, and it always involves not taking a ton of quick shots, waiting for the offense to set up, switching up the D and how tight you play some guys..doubling star players liek Duncan for instance, and using my star until they decided to switch their D and bust the holes left open by them..

I played the Spurs recently in my dynasty season.. I'll see if they let me pull up the stats

Exactly 23. In my game both teams had between 80-90 FG attempts because of the tempo that I set. This is also why the FB points are so low.

The Spurs are a team that just love to drive to the basket. Parker's DNA has him driving to the basket the majority of the time. Manu/Jeff are spot up but because I was playing them tight they doing more driving throughout the game. When I went to the zone they started shooting from the outside.

I played loose on Parker and the Spurs ended up using more clock.

[23]

Re: Czar\'s game feels scripted group experiment

i am going to post my entire 12 minute game the good and the bad. that way you will literally see if all these lectures about playing real basketball work or not. I'm not going hi rez cause it'll take forever to upload.

FF thanks for the screen shots Baby !!! that is what I'm talking about.

Guys just join in if you can. we can debate the merits of it later. Thats kind of the point is to give us some data point to discuss. I know everyone can't capture so i will capture mine warts and all so that we have that to add to the discussion

of course good or bad its only one game. yada yada yada but we can move on from here if we just get something down first.

Yeah man we need guys to tell or better yet show what they're doing

I had similar issues with NJ going off on me, DJ Augustine going off on me, and Michael Redd and the Bucks..freaking Gadzurich.... until I figured out what to do

[dave374]

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Hopefully this is what you're looking for Czar.


San Antonio 112 Denver 97

Game observations:
- C. Anthony saw a lot of isolation vs. Matt Bonner but couldn't shake him as much as he should
- I was stunned at the end of the game by 2nd chance point and offensive rebound stats. They were a lot closer than I expected. Maybe the CPU offensive rebs and 2nd chance points just get in your head more than you'd like.
- The only Spur I doubled was Duncan. I think it showed in his point total (16). I play Parker and Jefferson loose, and Ginobli tight. At the half, I switched Jefferson to tight
- Parker played the entire game
- The game got me frustrated in small stretches, but I tried to put it out of my head.
- Any time the CPU went on a run (as noted by the announcers), I immediately called a timeout.
- I find it annoying that the CPU never misses open shots, but I do.
- Human defence not controlled by the human can be stupid at times, essentially leaving guys open ... when I'm in man, with only one guy doubled (Duncan). When he doesn't have the ball, there shouldn't be that kind of open man.
- This is key. I tend to think I don't play intense enough on D. You really have to be in the shooter's face every time. You have to play balls to the wall for 48 minutes. A lot of guys (myself included) probably don't do this, but think they do.


Team stats:
FG: Spurs 53.2 Den 41.1
3pt: Spurs 2/9 Den 4/16
FT: Spurs 10/11 Den 16/18
Reb: Spurs 42 Den 44
OFF Reb: Spurs 6 Den 11
Asst: Spurs 25 Den 20
Blocks: Spurs 8 Den 5
Steals: Spurs 3 Den 1
Fast brk pts: Spurs 10 Den 4
Fouls: Spurs 12 Den 6
2nd chance: Spurs 10 Den 10

Player stats:
Points/rebounds/assists FGM/FGA 3ptM/3ptA Minutes played
Melo 29-9-1 12-34 0-3 40mins
J.R. Smith 22-2-1 9-22 2-8 39mins
Billups 17-1-11 6-15 2-5 42mins
Nene 14-13-2 6-13 0-0 32mins
Andersen 8-8-0 3-4 0-0 30mins
Martin 4-6-1 2-3 0-0 30mins
Kleiza 3-3-1 1-4 0-0 17mins

Jefferson 27-3-4 13-17 1-2 38mins
Parker 21-5-14 10-21 0-4 48mins (LOL)
Bonner 17-3-1 8-13 1-2 32mins
Duncan 16-14-3 8-13 0-0 38mins
Mason 13-1-1 5-11 0-0 15mins
Ginobli 10-3-3 3-13 0-1 32mins
McDyess 4-7-0 1-1 0-0 24mins


1st Q
SA: 12-4 run Score: 14-8SA
SA: 17-9 run 19-13SA
1st timeout denver

1st Q
Den/SA
24/28
41.9/57.9
50.0/33.3
2/4


2nd Q
SA: 10-2 run 44-36SA
TO denver
SA: 18-9 run 52-43SA

Den/S
24/30
43.5/57.7
33.3/0
4/0

3rd Q
SA: 10-2 run 83-67
TO Denver

24/31
47.8/53.8
0/50
3/2

4th quarter
DEN! 10-2 run 103-91SA

25/23
32.0/43.5
25.0/0
4/2

[Jamesmaster]

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Seems like you guys are playing very well.
I just had a very realistic quarter with Lakers against Rockets, but after that I got blown out.
I will continue to practice as this game is clearly deep and realistic but at this point it has become more of a great game to watch for me. Pro level clearly is too easy and All-Star too hard.
Dynasty mode to me is losing a game, getting blown out in the next one, quitting the game out of frustration, trying again and so on.
I hate to put my time in checking out sliders. I guess I'll have to put months into this game to come to a decent level of mastering.

[rawdog805]

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23 I hear you bra...

I thought the game was scripted as well for about the first 4 days until I started slowing my offense down and actually running sets, and calling Timeouts when the CPU started going crazy on me..

As you can tell by my record of 8-12 against the CPU.. I just recently started winning... LOL.. game sure doesn't feel scripted any more.. I did tweak the CPU block slider though.. just couldn't take all the lame blocks anymore.. Ohh and I play on all star..

[jsquigg]

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I'm in. I'll post results later.

[dave374]

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Seems like you guys are playing very well.

Next game, I played Memphis. I didn't play quite as well.

Memphis (CPU) 118 Toronto (Dave) 98

I lost in the 1st quarter. The CPU jumped out to a 37-17 1st quarter lead. I was dead from that point on. Just too much of a deficit to overcome, even against stinky Memphis.


Big observations about all-star default:
A) the cpu shooter make way too many circus shots they shouldn't make - superstars, yes. Scrubs, no.
B) CPU rarely, if ever, makes a mistake ... but humans do. That's very difficult to overcome, even if you're using the better team.
C) You have to be absolutely insane about defence every play ... you can never, ever slack off. While that may be realistic (I think), it's tough when you're just playing a videogame. Videogames are supposed to be a form of relaxation. You relax at this game, it hands your arse to you.
In that Memphis game, I didn't take them as seriously as I should have to start ... and paid the price.
D) The CPU will get at least five runs during a game vs. your one or, if you're lucky, two. Going on a run against the CPU more than twice is literally impossible at this level. I can't remember it ever happening. The CPU, like I said, plays nearly perfectly ... but it's hard to do the same as a human.

[Da_Czar]

Re: Czar\'s game feels scripted group experiment

Hopefully this is what you're looking for Czar.


San Antonio 112 Denver 97

Game observations:
- C. Anthony saw a lot of isolation vs. Matt Bonner but couldn't shake him as much as he should
- I was stunned at the end of the game by 2nd chance point and offensive rebound stats. They were a lot closer than I expected. Maybe the CPU offensive rebs and 2nd chance points just get in your head more than you'd like.
- The only Spur I doubled was Duncan. I think it showed in his point total (16). I play Parker and Jefferson loose, and Ginobli tight. At the half, I switched Jefferson to tight
- Parker played the entire game
- The game got me frustrated in small stretches, but I tried to put it out of my head.
- Any time the CPU went on a run (as noted by the announcers), I immediately called a timeout.
- I find it annoying that the CPU never misses open shots, but I do.
- Human defence not controlled by the human can be stupid at times, essentially leaving guys open ... when I'm in man, with only one guy doubled (Duncan). When he doesn't have the ball, there shouldn't be that kind of open man.
- This is key. I tend to think I don't play intense enough on D. You really have to be in the shooter's face every time. You have to play balls to the wall for 48 minutes. A lot of guys (myself included) probably don't do this, but think they do.


Team stats:
FG: Spurs 53.2 Den 41.1
3pt: Spurs 2/9 Den 4/16
FT: Spurs 10/11 Den 16/18
Reb: Spurs 42 Den 44
OFF Reb: Spurs 6 Den 11
Asst: Spurs 25 Den 20
Blocks: Spurs 8 Den 5
Steals: Spurs 3 Den 1
Fast brk pts: Spurs 10 Den 4
Fouls: Spurs 12 Den 6
2nd chance: Spurs 10 Den 10

Player stats:
Points/rebounds/assists FGM/FGA 3ptM/3ptA Minutes played
Melo 29-9-1 12-34 0-3 40mins
J.R. Smith 22-2-1 9-22 2-8 39mins
Billups 17-1-11 6-15 2-5 42mins
Nene 14-13-2 6-13 0-0 32mins
Andersen 8-8-0 3-4 0-0 30mins
Martin 4-6-1 2-3 0-0 30mins
Kleiza 3-3-1 1-4 0-0 17mins

Jefferson 27-3-4 13-17 1-2 38mins
Parker 21-5-14 10-21 0-4 48mins (LOL)
Bonner 17-3-1 8-13 1-2 32mins
Duncan 16-14-3 8-13 0-0 38mins
Mason 13-1-1 5-11 0-0 15mins
Ginobli 10-3-3 3-13 0-1 32mins
McDyess 4-7-0 1-1 0-0 24mins


1st Q
SA: 12-4 run Score: 14-8SA
SA: 17-9 run 19-13SA
1st timeout denver

1st Q
Den/SA
24/28
41.9/57.9
50.0/33.3
2/4


2nd Q
SA: 10-2 run 44-36SA
TO denver
SA: 18-9 run 52-43SA

Den/S
24/30
43.5/57.7
33.3/0
4/0

3rd Q
SA: 10-2 run 83-67
TO Denver

24/31
47.8/53.8
0/50
3/2

4th quarter
DEN! 10-2 run 103-91SA

25/23
32.0/43.5
25.0/0
4/2

Excellent Thanks for putting in the effort. and Being honest !!!!

[Jamesmaster]

Re: Czar's game feels scripted group experiment

Next game, I played Memphis. I didn't play quite as well.

Memphis (CPU) 118 Toronto (Dave) 98

I lost in the 1st quarter. The CPU jumped out to a 37-17 1st quarter lead. I was dead from that point on. Just too much of a deficit to overcome, even against stinky Memphis.


Big observations about all-star default:
A) the cpu shooter make way too many circus shots they shouldn't make - superstars, yes. Scrubs, no.
B) CPU rarely, if ever, makes a mistake ... but humans do. That's very difficult to overcome, even if you're using the better team.
C) You have to be absolutely insane about defence every play ... you can never, ever slack off. While that may be realistic (I think), it's tough when you're just playing a videogame. Videogames are supposed to be a form of relaxation. You relax at this game, it hands your arse to you.
In that Memphis game, I didn't take them as seriously as I should have to start ... and paid the price.
D) The CPU will get at least five runs during a game vs. your one or, if you're lucky, two. Going on a run against the CPU more than twice is literally impossible at this level. I can't remember it ever happening. The CPU, like I said, plays nearly perfectly ... but it's hard to do the same as a human.

Well, you won't believe it but I tried Dynasty again with Lakers against Rockets (in Houston) and I had my best game yet. Held them to 40% (even to 30% till halftime).
Double team on Yao, tight on McGrady and 2-3 zone and apparently that did wonders (also to my help defense).
Trying different zones has a lot more impact than I ever thought.
Ultimately I lost by 9 but I can live with that.