Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

[phant030]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Was disappointed, now i'm back in wait and see and a more optimistic viewpoint. While we know Wang brought good things, it isnt the endall. There are other talented developers who dont have the notoriety. Maybe EA has one. Brinkman was supposed to save MLB2k and that didnt happen...so Ill just wait and see what EA does and what they can offer me. Kinda expecting more of the same from 2k, which is not good for me. Look forward to Live 11.

[BrianFifaFan]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Here's the thing... everything that was heralded in Live as a wonderful addition this year was already in 2k's game. The year that a 2k developer has say, Live's game gets what 2k already had, in a different manner.

Ultimately, it's basketball. These things need to be in there. Just like you said. In what way does Mike's departure kill off any hope that EA's game can't find their own identity while providing that?

Again, the developers have spent a year and a half looking at how a developer from 2k thinks and goes about implementing things. You don't think they can use that with their own experience down the line?

Ultimately the suits will dictate what direction the game goes in, but just because they aren't here on the forums or in an article on IGN saying, "Hey guys, we know what you want and we're giving it to you," doesn't mean the game is going to be complete trash. It's just not the 100% hardcore sim a small group of you think this game should be.

A large group of us were able to enjoy NBA Live '05 back in the day. There's absolutely no reason EA can't stylize their product and get back there.

What should I think EA do? Keep adding on that flash that is drawing people over to 2k. Live '10 became stale after a while. Animations, culture and attention to details provide a lot for the gamer. Push authenticity and keep the positives that have their gameplay engine ahead of their competition. They tried to do that this year but failed. Marketing helps too. This was the first year where it seems like 2k marketed a LOT more than EA did in the mainstream media. Live '09 was marketed a lot more than '10. "DNA? That's bananas, B." Giving people youtube videos is nice and all because their bored. They aren't going to sell a game. They just help.

And who knows - EA may just stumble upon that thing that brings people around. The Shot stick is the SINGLE thing that brought 2k into the forefront for a lot of gamers. Live finds something like that and keeps pushing, you never know where they will be in 3 years.

People are just reading the comments how they want to. The same exact way they did when it was said 2k's engine couldn't evolve because it was based on the previous generation's code... Nothing is set in stone.

Agreed. And I'm not saying they don't have a better plan than Mike might have had. But I have great trepidation about them possibly messing with the only thing, IMO, that Live had right. I totally agree that they need depth, polishing and some flash. More animations and modes. Further tweaking of the AI and the Slam-Dunk contest. But don't mess with the gameplay. It was better than 2k's. If some long time fans of the series or some member of the development team who really didn't like the direction the game took last year is saying" take it back to how it was" and using the poors sales as an excuse to do so, they are smoking crack. The identity that the series ended up having was "arcady."(love that word. ) It needed fixed in the worst way. For all the modes it was missing this gen, it was the gameplay that was the single worst aspect of the game.

As my own aside, I do applaud the VC crew for not really changing the vision of NBA2k. For years they were second fiddle to the NBA Live behemoth and stayed the course.(Just like NHL and Fifa...) To see them go double platinum is really great considering all of the woes they have been through as of late. Yes Pared, commitment to "sim" and purity will work over the long haul. Great marketing or not... (see 2k's crap marketing dept....) But I truely hope that their lead will have a real heart to heart with his counterparts down the hall in Burnaby (Rutter and Littman) and figure out how they reached the promise land. Don't listen to the suits, per se. Listen to the guys with the big sales and MetaCritic scores. Then the suits will be happy! And so will John Q. Gamer.....

[GHUGHES]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Im about to in Ed Lover style on this but C'mon SON Yeah live made huge strides in terms of game play presentation authentic intros BUT Cmon SON Running around shooting the 3 ball with Mo Williams Mike Bibby and Eddie House. Despite having great reviews you take out 1 of the best features ever Online Team play Clubs for Adidas live run AND SELL LESS GAMES THAN THE YEAR BEFORE Cmon SON C[mon son get outta here with that BS.

Wish Mike the best but Live 09 owned 10 and numbers dont lie Cmon Son bring back ranked 5 on 5 team play and watch your numbers go back up . As for the hardcore offline sim style cat Cmon son who plays the computer now and days games are and rightfully so should be geared toward online play.

Weather it be Online Dynasty Franchise Team play whatever if your not gearing your game to the online crowd your not going to do numbers. Which at the end of the day is what it's all about.

Just my 2 pennies take it how you want CMon Son Bring back club matches

Wish Mike the best hope everything works out for him and his family

[ataman5]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Im about to in Ed Lover style on this but C'mon SON Yeah live made huge strides in terms of game play presentation authentic intros BUT Cmon SON Running around shooting the 3 ball with Mo Williams Mike Bibby and Eddie House. Despite having great reviews you take out 1 of the best features ever Online Team play Clubs for Adidas live run AND SELL LESS GAMES THAN THE YEAR BEFORE Cmon SON C[mon son get outta here with that BS.

Wish Mike the best but Live 09 owned 10 and numbers dont lie Cmon Son bring back ranked 5 on 5 team play and watch your numbers go back up . As for the hardcore offline sim style cat Cmon son who plays the computer now and days games are and rightfully so should be geared toward online play.

Weather it be Online Dynasty Franchise Team play whatever if your not gearing your game to the online crowd your not going to do numbers. Which at the end of the day is what it's all about.

Just my 2 pennies take it how you want CMon Son Bring back club matches

Wish Mike the best hope everything works out for him and his family

Just one question, where is the online part of the competition and how many sales they got?? If you can answer that then we can do some of your cmon son moves together aye.

Sadly, i've seen lots of comments like this on ea boards and these people in a very strange way are so relieved that Wang's gone, and they must be the favorite ''casual'' gamers that ea wants to sell their games.

You know what i'm the casual gamer; all i want is a basketball game that replicates real life basketball; and you know what basketball in itself is already FUN, so you don't need go into trouble to make it arcadish, just make it real and see everyone will enjoy it.

Sorry if i went offensive GHUGHES; but i'm against the ''general idea'' just like you commented that i've seen through on ea boards and some other places.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Wheres Mike Wang?

welp...looks like i wont be playing any basketball games next year either

Same here.

I'm done.

[GHUGHES]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Just one question, where is the online part of the competition and how many sales they got?? If you can answer that then we can do some of your cmon son moves together aye.

Sadly, i've seen lots of comments like this on ea boards and these people in a very strange way are so relieved that Wang's gone, and they must be the favorite ''casual'' gamers that ea wants to sell their games.

You know what i'm the casual gamer; all i want is a basketball game that replicates real life basketball; and you know what basketball in itself is already FUN, so you don't need go into trouble to make it arcadish, just make it real and see everyone will enjoy it.

Sorry if i went offensive GHUGHES; but i'm against the ''general idea'' just like you commented that i've seen through on ea boards and some other places.

Cmon SON How you gone question me on facts

Fact number 1 Live 09 out sold Live 2010 based on live 09 having Ranked 09 club matches and Live 2010 having Adidas live run.

Im not about to Google sales from this years game to last years but trust me the numbers are down you can do that research on your own but I know it as fact

Fact Number 2 There is relatively no post play whatsoever how many times you go down low only to have the rock stripped from you just from trying to do a post move

Sorry man but the games now and days are geared towards the online crowd Evolution brother Evolution.

Who says you cant have a solid game while catering to the casual fan Live 09 was nice IMO and all EA had to do was build off that not scrap it out and do a 180. Add feature that nobody wanted ''LIVE RUN"and features that barley worked ''REPLAYS" Dynamic DNA which made bums unstoppable

Wasn't live also the game that had a patch that MADE THE GAME WORSE this game had more bugs in it than a decomposing animals body on the side of the road in the middle of summer.

Cmon SON Just as you said EA boards are somewhat in rejoice world I dont even visit that site that just goes to show you how many people were disappointed in Live 10.

And lastly what can be more Arcadish then picking a team and running around shooting unstoppable 3 ball all game Cmon SON

[Tomba]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Listen why even be worried. We are sport gamers...We've always found something redeeming in these sports titles esp NBA Live.

It's IF they take out editing abilities that it starts to dawn on you that you are then playing a product you have no control over and that means it would be THEIR total take on the sport of basketball not unlike say NBA Jam now or even nba street...

I'm not necessarily asking for open source code(well....) but I'd like to have the ability still retool it the way I have over the years. that for me is part of the fun factor in ANY sports game...the rosters and sliders. taking that out would be uninspiring to play though it's not necessarily even half the market of NBA live gamers.

The fact that beluba aka wang is indeed a hardcore sim guy and left because of the serious notion that Ea was not trying to be serious sim is a bit of bait and switch if they initially wanted beluba on the team to begin with...So it's kinda weird

The reason why their most heralded sports game is good and sells well is because it projects so much realism and that game is fifa. they rewrote everything about the game engine and it's become just a tweak every year thing of beauty. i don't even feel the need to edit it it's so darn good...if thats where Nba live can go then i'm all for it it adds a cheerleader section to tombasports lol. It could happen because the xbox is now moving into ps2 territotory where it'll be around for about 4 more years along with project natal stuff(which i liken to being at a amusement park trying to win your girl a stuffed animal honestly)

but enough lets see some gameplay lol

[CX1329]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Wish Mike the best but Live 09 owned 10 and numbers dont lie Cmon Son bring back ranked 5 on 5 team play and watch your numbers go back up . As for the hardcore offline sim style cat Cmon son who plays the computer now and days games are and rightfully so should be geared toward online play.

There's a very large crowd that still prefers offline play, or can't play online at all. I like sim basketball, but I don't have the patience to keep going online to play against people from OS, let alone join a league. Playing against the computer still is, and will always be the way to go for me. Now, I do play online at times, but only when I really feel like challenging someone.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

alot of backtracking lol...some damn near had Mike Wangs engine quote tatooed on their arm...Mike Wang this Mike Wang that.....now hes suddenly irrelevant? Psh. I wish dude the best...all I care about is getting a fun basketball game...no matter who puts it out...cant wait to see what 2011 brings...

[sportskid84]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Don't know if it was posted but i think he's speaking the truth

[Benicio10]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Listen why even be worried. We are sport gamers...We've always found something redeeming in these sports titles esp NBA Live.

It's IF they take out editing abilities that it starts to dawn on you that you are then playing a product you have no control over and that means it would be THEIR total take on the sport of basketball not unlike say NBA Jam now or even nba street...

I'm not necessarily asking for open source code(well....) but I'd like to have the ability still retool it the way I have over the years. that for me is part of the fun factor in ANY sports game...the rosters and sliders. taking that out would be uninspiring to play though it's not necessarily even half the market of NBA live gamers.

The fact that beluba aka wang is indeed a hardcore sim guy and left because of the serious notion that Ea was not trying to be serious sim is a bit of bait and switch if they initially wanted beluba on the team to begin with...So it's kinda weird

The reason why their most heralded sports game is good and sells well is because it projects so much realism and that game is fifa. they rewrote everything about the game engine and it's become just a tweak every year thing of beauty. i don't even feel the need to edit it it's so darn good...if thats where Nba live can go then i'm all for it it adds a cheerleader section to tombasports lol. It could happen because the xbox is now moving into ps2 territotory where it'll be around for about 4 more years along with project natal stuff(which i liken to being at a amusement park trying to win your girl a stuffed animal honestly)

but enough lets see some gameplay lol

don't want to sidetrack but FIFA isn't even close to a sim compared to PES.

now, on the issue at hand ...

all i ask for is for a sim experience out of the box for any game. tomba, i know you love editing ... your work is well appreciated, but like i told mike wang before in chats, it's not our jobs to fix and edit these games...

2K is a dunkfest out of the box, Live is a 3pt shooting fest out of the box... tone things down to realism is all we ask.

[CX1329]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

don't want to sidetrack but FIFA isn't even close to a sim compared to PES.

now, on the issue at hand ...

all i ask for is for a sim experience out of the box for any game. tomba, i know you love editing ... your work is well appreciated, but like i told mike wang before in chats, it's not our jobs to fix and edit these games...

2K is a dunkfest out of the box, Live is a 3pt shooting fest out of the box... tone things down to realism is all we ask.

Well, I won't use this thread to defend FIFA, but you can't honestly say the last few iterations of PES have been "sim" by any stretch of the imagination. PES 2008 was too fast, PES 2009 was a ping pong fest, and PES 2010 continues to be much too offense oriented, in that low scoring games in that game are the exception, rather than the norm. Thus, I usually rack up an inordinately large amount of goals along an ML season, which isn't "sim" at all.

But anyway, I disagree. It is our jobs to fix and edit these games, because we are not the target demographic for basketball games. Unless they provide us with Regular/Hardcore presets, then we will always have to do some sort of editing, because both the 2K and the Live series will always try to please the average gamer in some way.

[rockchisler]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

What I hope is that we are able to continue to edit sliders and edit them fully if I want to start a league or a custom match, If I am allowed to tweak to get a sim game Im happy, But if im forcefed arcade happy bball I will not be pleased.

[Pared]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

"Fix" is so relative. As long as the gamer has options it shouldn't be a concern.

These games have to appeal to a large user base. It shouldn't matter how they do that, they just need to do that.

[23]

Re: Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

Problem with this game though is the customization options are either lacking, dont work, or arent worth it.

For real man its getting real old