EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

[yungflo]

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I thought the animations last year(Live 10) were the best quality wise I've seen this gen from Live. Seems like the problem was a lack in the amount and variety, this year seems back to the same old thing we were seeing prior to 10.

my thoughts exactly, last yr was more elite than 11. I played live 10, they did a great job on that game, and it was imo, slightly better. The user control was phenomenal(have no idea why they need to re-haul the controls. Elite never had control problems, even dating back to PSP. Controls were their thing. However, animations and so forth, they didn't get right until last year, and now it seems they are completely ignoring last years success and starting from scratch which is right back to the nba, low reviews, elite/live games

[kwas676]

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Ahhhh case and point a lot of osers are EA fanboys and you cant doubt that.

Well I don't know how long you've been following this game but the guys that went up there for community day are far from what you call EA fanboys but guys that are really into basketball, that's why I was optimistic bout the game early on. Those EA basketball even have fanboys I see more hate then I see fans lol.

[Playmakers]

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@ Playmakers i didn't say you were a fanboy, i was just saying that in general. People really do have to open there eyes though and see things for what they are.

no problem man....

I was just kinda upset earlier and dissapointed. Maybe i was just expecting too much from the game this year after the small steps forward made by Live 10.

I'm just going to play the game and relax no sense in stressing over it anymore. Obviously, they (EA) have made a decision controls are more important than the amount of animations provided in gameplay.

Besides i have cousins and friends that play it every year so i'll try to get on the cheap and just play it for what it's worth.

[Gmoney2002]

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Great thread Playmakers....with me, you're preaching to the choir.

[Forever_Young83]

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Myself i know i'm not going to buy it, but i feel like they really let there fans down. They completly went left instead of having some type of balance.

[jugganott]

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Myself i know i'm not going to buy it, but i feel like they really let there fans down. They completly went left instead of having some type of balance.

Exactly. I bought in to the whole Live 10 thing...and for the most part it was a really nice game. I thought that they would step it up. It's still up in the air, I'll have to see when the Demos drop. I just feel like EA tells up with every release where their intentions are. Who knows. I say I'm not going to buy it...I'm not going to say that I won't, but the chances are getting slim as the days count down.

[kingpnp]

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Well the last and final retreat for them now is the demo. They have put everything into it and I for one am going to be very interested in what the NEW fan base has to say about it.

I give the elite marketing guys credit they have attracted new interest from new buyers with the NHL transplant idea. You can hear it being repeated in the threads... NHL wasn't very good and now its the best.

The problem as I see it is they are alienating their hardcore fan base. The new people they are attracting will give them support and patience but they don't sell games. When momentus makes a video he is selling games man. When a game is good enough to inspire roster makers to spend all their free time making rosters They help make sales happen... The base brings the passion and the passion is what gives your game legs as far as sales.

When I see our family like shadows and Playmakers willing to throw in the towel it can not be good for the longterm outlook of the franchise.

Then you have dev's telling us its more like real life if we don't force the defense to bend their legs before they contest a shot... REALLY. Did the gameplay guys tell you that.... Or was that someone else ... Hmmmmmm

Remember the whole were not going arcade guys were going SIM ?

Sometimes I think they forget.. We have been though this a few times.. Most of us here are not 12 man.

Here's the problem with the LIve/Elite fan base. it went from People who wanted the most realistic hoop game ever. to Fanboys who only wanted nba streets just on the hardwood. nothign more, nothing less.
the biggest fault of EA for me was when they chose fanboy over me. I built EA with my bare hands. i was there with Coach K breaking backboards yamean. i had people that didn't even play games playing EA basketball games back in the day when we couldn't touch the roster. when we couldnt' touch the shoes. we you could hit the same dumb shot with the same guy from the same spot REGARDLESS. lol. i was that guy. and so were a lot of us. but we wanted the game to get better. i was there when nba live got the moves make over(First hoop game with a crossover) and they got help by a calabassas company by the name of Black Ops entertainment i believe. the first hoop game with 3D stadiums. i was there. we were there.

I use to have the genesis 97 and 98 live while some of my boys were all hype about a Cute look on the PS1. yeah that grey playstation. The reason only a select few of us kept with the genesis because it had the better game play by far. now in comparison it LOOKED awful. some of the movements were horrible. but the game play was spot on. and you did have a bit more control over your guy.

this maybe whats going on now. but it took them to long to do this. which is why it looks like hot garbage visually. when visuals come a dime a dozen in next gen systems.

the Fan boys didn't cause this. the fan boys wont and DONT like this. the fan boys are arcade ballers, not simmers. the simmers left and went to 2k, the realized 2k = cheese heaven. So they are stuck begging for EA to get it right. cause 2k is all about animations and different modes.

like people getting all hype about the my player like it was something revolutionary. i love it. because i like playing with my guy in the game. sense the 5 vs 5 is wack due to the Cheese heaven fests. i almost NEVER play 5 on 5. but 2k had the street ball circuit league before my player. no difference in that game and this myplayer. they didn't have to do a thing. but 2k fan boys played it like it was revolutionary. it wasnt.

so we SIM ballers have a dilemna. YOu better hope they dont cut their loses and go back to the old game of animations and pretty stuff. cause if live does that. we will all have to wait on 2k to choose to make a real sim game.

[2kfanatic]

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the Fan boys didn't cause this. the fan boys wont and DONT like this. the fan boys are arcade ballers, not simmers. the simmers left and went to 2k, the realized 2k = cheese heaven. So they are stuck begging for EA to get it right. cause 2k is all about animations and different modes.

The sad part about this is that when live people converted to 2k, they missed the previous titles of 2k which were the true SIM games (pre 2k5).

[jugganott]

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@Kingpnp......
I was there with you,so I know exactly what you mean. It's not the coolest to feel like you were there from the start of it all only to have them turn their back on you. I remember playing Madden when they only had WINDOWS to see the wideouts.....Lakers vs. Bulls etc. Gaming has moved forward....I don't like the direction EA has took with some of their releases....but again, they show you where their intentions are. Casuals.

[Rob. D]

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I agree man I don't know how bad sales where last year but I predict them being worse this year. I wish they would take a year off and give these dev more time cause they are good guys who want to deliver a great game, but I don't see it happening. This will crush the little fanbase there holding on to, I mean one of my friends last year didn't even know they still make Live smh.

+1 They seem like good guys who care otherwise they wouldnt be here posting as much. I wouldnt mind if they took a year off and redid all the MOCap and EXTENDED the animation library. Its really something they should think about cuz this years games is getting a lot of flak for good reason. A company as big as EA the resources have to be there, they just have to???

[Playmakers]

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+1 They seem like good guys who care otherwise they wouldnt be here posting as much. I wouldnt mind if they took a year off and redid all the MOCap and EXTENDED the animation library. Its really something they should think about cuz this years games is getting a lot of flak for good reason. A company as big as EA the resources have to be there, they just have to???

SageInfinite - Mass Effect (Rob. D)

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[erickonasis]

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if they could just get rid of the hunch back players that would help

[oOausarOo]

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It's not just the animations for me. They need to scrap everything the player models to the animations and start from scratch. Visually this series needs a lot of work.

A company as big as EA the resources have to be there, they just have to???

I'm not sure how much the size of the company as a whole effects things. Who is going sign off on throwing a boatload of money into the game when the best case scenario is they still get dominated but not by as much?

EA plays a factor more on a larger scale for example them attempting to buy out 2k Sports.

[Rob. D]

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SageInfinite - Mass Effect (Rob. D)

This track sounds pretty good man......i had to listen to it like 3 times because the voice sounded like a guy out here in Phoenix who just recently moved to Atlanta to jump on a business opportunity.

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[eDotd]

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You need animations in a basketball game, period.

Yes it's a team game but it is one of the (if not the) most individualized sports in the world. The players make the game what it is. They need to have an identity, they need to dribble, shoot, dunk and move like their real life counter parts. OS has shown they we're willing to overlook the omission of these aspects if the base of the sport is there. This is why the reaction from the Elite videos is so bad (not the sole reason, but we're discussing animation issues). The base was there with Live 10, wasn't perfect but it was present. It was definitely something they could successfully build on and yet it gets scrapped to focus on something that wasn't really a problem to begin with (control).

Every benchmark in basketball gaming has moved the on the court product closer to the real thing. Tendencies in ID04/2K7, Synergy in Live 09, Signature Style in NBA 2K7, Live 10's Playsets etc. Although they may not have all been implemented correctly or efficiently, they all helped bring the genre closer to it's real life counter part. All of these things strengthened not only every NBA team's, but every individual on that team, identity.

Players in Elite have no identity. I am sure they still have Synergy but even if Durant shoots from the left side of the floor 77% of the time, or goes left 54% of the time (made up numbers), if it doesn't look like Durant doing it it's a major disconnect imo.