EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
I'm guess EA looked at how well Live 2007 sold despite how bad it was and decided to sell technology in the same way they sold footplanting and procedural awareness. So again I'm guessing here... They went to Mike Wang and the rest of the team and stated that they needed to market real time physics. Damed if they had any underpinnings to implement it, or know how, damed if they were willing to compromise revenue with Naturalmotion they wanted real time physics and at the same time I think they wanted a more arcadish feel similar to Live 2003 which outsold the comp and like 2007 wasn't that good. I'm further guessing Mike had more realistic goals. Producing a game with RTP and a more arcadish user friendly feel was an ill combination in a single dev cycle. I reckon he figured he was set up to fail.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
Procedural Awareness still isn't in the game....That Dwayne Wade demo they had was great and so was the player model.Comment
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Except that 99% of those people voting in the poll have not actually played this game, and could therefore not make a proper judgment.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
You lost all cred there. For their time the early 2k hoops games were phenomenal. 2k1-2k3 were free of many of the issues that future 2k basketball and NBA Live games experience. A lot of 2k10's faults could have been alleviated by simply going back their roots. There was a time when 2k's gameplay out-shun the animations. 2k1-2k3 and the College Hoops games had gameplay down strong. Now it looks like they are getting back to the balance they had in the past that. 2kfanatic was right. The early 2k hoops games were the "sim" games of the franchise.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
Check out it out in the pistons/thunder video. Watch Prince at the 2:35 mark here he looks at his man as he's moving then the ball once the player finishes his motion.
Or Hamilton at the 2:30 mark as he kind of keeps an eye on the ball for the whole possession. He even tries to help as Westbrook makes the drive to the basket after watching the ball I guess.
The players also keep an eye on their man too when there is off ball movement. Watch the D by Green on Charlie V he positions his body to try and prevent a clean cut to the basket. Turns his head a few times as Villi moves to the corner to see where he's going.
The players are tracking the ball handler more and also seem to do a better job of keeping their bodies between the ball & basket.
I'm not sure if it was in Live 10 but it was cool to see for this year.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
i will say this again the early 2k games had some really nice ideas, but the controls were awful. guess what they struggle with now? canned animations controlling you not you controlling you. that was the first hoop game like that. great animations for its time YES. horrible control for its time vs live which you moved and your guy moved, even with the new momentum system and guys no longer stopping on a dime in live. 2ks movement was atrocious in comparison. i remember. go check your records my friend.
I normally don't like to bring up reviews because game reviewers are jaded media monkeys but times were purer 10 years ago. Compare 2k1's scores to todays games. http://www.gamerankings.com/dreamcas...2k1/index.html The game averaged an 89. It wasn't just a game that had good ideas. It was a flat out great game and at the time it was easily the best basketball sim I had ever played.Last edited by Kaanyr Vhok; 09-04-2010, 03:43 AM.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
Ya crazy. my boys had the early 2ks. they were weak games. yes they had some NICE ideas. like most brand new Games with good devs. but it took them years to get it right. and by the time they got it right. they also had to pull a live and sacrafice gameplay aka simball for $$$$$.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
i will say this again the early 2k games had some really nice ideas, but the controls were awful. guess what they struggle with now? canned animations controlling you not you controlling you. that was the first hoop game like that. great animations for its time YES. horrible control for its time vs live which you moved and your guy moved, even with the new momentum system and guys no longer stopping on a dime in live. 2ks movement was atrocious in comparison. i remember. go check your records my friend.
Movement momentum was not in 2k until 2k8(maybe 2k5 but not enough for you to feel like your walking in mud unlike 2k9) I think and live implemented something similar to momentum at 2007 (footplanting). The shot stick was introduced at 2k6 and it wasn't until 2k9 that 2k had a problem in player movement (moving from point a to point b).
Live had the better dribbling system back then I agree but control was never a problem for BOTH games. So yeah having identical animations from 2006 for live is INEXCUSABLE because its not about how its canned or anything, the INDIVIDUAL animations (I'm not even talking about transition of animations yet) look really bad and that is something they can easily fix if they wanted to.
And I really don't think live rebuilt their engine at 2007 since it had the same problems of previous live titles (EA is known for their marketing bull back then so I really don't trust them on this).Last edited by 2kfanatic; 09-04-2010, 07:20 AM.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
Seriously who cares!!! Why can't we have threads in the Elite / Live section that does not continue to get hijacked with 2k crap. I wish you guys could really stay on topic and not mention 2k some kind of way in every freak'n thread....take it to the 2k forums. smh..
@Jano....it's hard to notice anything in those videos. It's so visually unappealing it's not even worth it.
These are next-gen consoles, we buy them for the graphics differences every year and for the visuals to declined at almost a 70% rate, PA or not the game looks dull and not worth the notices of what they are trying to implement.
I know everyone wants to defend them to the end, but truth of the matter. The game is looking beyond poor of interest right now.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
I'm convinced they don't care, bottom line IMO.
They have heard ours opinions over and over again with no regard to anything. Oh Well.N.Y Mets
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
Seriously who cares!!! Why can't we have threads in the Elite / Live section that does not continue to get hijacked with 2k crap. I wish you guys could really stay on topic and not mention 2k some kind of way in every freak'n thread....take it to the 2k forums. smh..
@Jano....it's hard to notice anything in those videos. It's so visually unappealing it's not even worth it.
These are next-gen consoles, we buy them for the graphics differences every year and for the visuals to declined at almost a 70% rate, PA or not the game looks dull and not worth the notices of what they are trying to implement.
I know everyone wants to defend them to the end, but truth of the matter. The game is looking beyond poor of interest right now.
Plus they took out turbo completely. I wouldn't mind the graphics the way they are if the basketball fundamentals were on a next gen level. But that's not the case and it's truely sad.Comment
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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?
Shadows is right, kingpnp if you bring up another 2k game in here taking another thread way off topic im going to put an end to it
That said, its funny that there was no suction in Live 08 and how they at least thought it was important to implement go to moves and stuff... why is it something that seems like its brand new now?
This is the exact same thing that im being told wasnt as important but why
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So again, its sad that this game is old and looks better and understands concepts better in certain areas
Then they have no suction either... skip to about 4:20..thats where the game starts
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Honestly man... tell me exactly what the advantages are again really?Comment
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