EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

[oOausarOo]

Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

When you have enough complaints about people saying "oh i hate how i lose control in a canned animation" it sends the wrong message to these developers. Thats why i say sometimes people wont enjoy what they wanted when they get it.

I bet if you were to make a poll most people on these boards would have preferred to stick with the canned animations until a true dynamic animation system was ready not only functionally, but visually.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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so the devs and the company are not exactly the same group. Is the devs the basketball coach, and the company is the owner?

Heavens no they aren't the same group. You know Visual Concepts, the NBA 2k developer use to develop Madden in the 90s and guess what they messed Madden up lol. Madden was better when Looking Glass developed it.

I'm guess EA looked at how well Live 2007 sold despite how bad it was and decided to sell technology in the same way they sold footplanting and procedural awareness. So again I'm guessing here... They went to Mike Wang and the rest of the team and stated that they needed to market real time physics. Damed if they had any underpinnings to implement it, or know how, damed if they were willing to compromise revenue with Naturalmotion they wanted real time physics and at the same time I think they wanted a more arcadish feel similar to Live 2003 which outsold the comp and like 2007 wasn't that good. I'm further guessing Mike had more realistic goals. Producing a game with RTP and a more arcadish user friendly feel was an ill combination in a single dev cycle. I reckon he figured he was set up to fail.

[Behindshadows]

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Procedural Awareness still isn't in the game....That Dwayne Wade demo they had was great and so was the player model.

[mrprice33]

Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

I bet if you were to make a poll most people on these boards would have preferred to stick with the canned animations until a true dynamic animation system was ready not only functionally, but visually.

Except that 99% of those people voting in the poll have not actually played this game, and could therefore not make a proper judgment.

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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

They said it was in the game... maybe it just doesnt work

[kingpnp]

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You lost all cred there. For their time the early 2k hoops games were phenomenal. 2k1-2k3 were free of many of the issues that future 2k basketball and NBA Live games experience. A lot of 2k10's faults could have been alleviated by simply going back their roots. There was a time when 2k's gameplay out-shun the animations. 2k1-2k3 and the College Hoops games had gameplay down strong. Now it looks like they are getting back to the balance they had in the past that. 2kfanatic was right. The early 2k hoops games were the "sim" games of the franchise.

i will say this again the early 2k games had some really nice ideas, but the controls were awful. guess what they struggle with now? canned animations controlling you not you controlling you. that was the first hoop game like that. great animations for its time YES. horrible control for its time vs live which you moved and your guy moved, even with the new momentum system and guys no longer stopping on a dime in live. 2ks movement was atrocious in comparison. i remember. go check your records my friend.

[Jano]

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Procedural Awareness still isn't in the game....That Dwayne Wade demo they had was great and so was the player model.

Its in there this year (not perfect) but you can definitely tell if you look for it. Really noticable when the offense isnt doing too much moving.

Check out it out in the pistons/thunder video. Watch Prince at the 2:35 mark here he looks at his man as he's moving then the ball once the player finishes his motion.

Or Hamilton at the 2:30 mark as he kind of keeps an eye on the ball for the whole possession. He even tries to help as Westbrook makes the drive to the basket after watching the ball I guess.

The players also keep an eye on their man too when there is off ball movement. Watch the D by Green on Charlie V he positions his body to try and prevent a clean cut to the basket. Turns his head a few times as Villi moves to the corner to see where he's going.

The players are tracking the ball handler more and also seem to do a better job of keeping their bodies between the ball & basket.

I'm not sure if it was in Live 10 but it was cool to see for this year.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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i will say this again the early 2k games had some really nice ideas, but the controls were awful. guess what they struggle with now? canned animations controlling you not you controlling you. that was the first hoop game like that. great animations for its time YES. horrible control for its time vs live which you moved and your guy moved, even with the new momentum system and guys no longer stopping on a dime in live. 2ks movement was atrocious in comparison. i remember. go check your records my friend.

I don't believe you played the early NBA 2k games or else you would know this 'canned aanimation' stuff wasn't even an issue. It didn't really get talked about until 2k5 when they added momentum. The lack of control wasn't a problem until 2k8 though 2k9 was much worse and 2k10 still isnt as crisp as College Hoops 2k8, NBA 2k7, or NBA 2k-2k3. NBA 2k-2k3 and all of the College Hoops games that I played had great control compared to the jerky NBA 2k9; and those long scripted animations of 2k5, and 2k8-2k10 just didn't exist. It sounds to me you are just making an assumption to back up your original argument. I'm telling you how it is. I played every NBA 2k game and almost every NBA Live. I still own 2k3.

I normally don't like to bring up reviews because game reviewers are jaded media monkeys but times were purer 10 years ago. Compare 2k1's scores to todays games. http://www.gamerankings.com/dreamcas...2k1/index.html The game averaged an 89. It wasn't just a game that had good ideas. It was a flat out great game and at the time it was easily the best basketball sim I had ever played.

[2kfanatic]

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Ya crazy. my boys had the early 2ks. they were weak games. yes they had some NICE ideas. like most brand new Games with good devs. but it took them years to get it right. and by the time they got it right. they also had to pull a live and sacrafice gameplay aka simball for $$$$$.

No, 2k1-2k3 was way better than live 2001 - 2003 as far as realism is concerned. The only thing better in live at 2003 was.... yep controls (freestyle dribbling). 2k had dominated them in the ratings department but not in the sales department. The best nba live I have played is 2005 when 2k started to have problems with PiP. If you have played both from 01-03 you will really really see that 2k was the best sim game at that time, I can clearly remember that I can score above 70% the whole game in live at that time.

[2kfanatic]

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i will say this again the early 2k games had some really nice ideas, but the controls were awful. guess what they struggle with now? canned animations controlling you not you controlling you. that was the first hoop game like that. great animations for its time YES. horrible control for its time vs live which you moved and your guy moved, even with the new momentum system and guys no longer stopping on a dime in live. 2ks movement was atrocious in comparison. i remember. go check your records my friend.

With this post it is obvious that you have not played the early 2k's. Control was never an issue for ANY last gen bball games. Canned animations was not used until 2k5 or 2k6 I think. And what are these great ideas you are talking about? The downfall of these series (pre 2k4) is that most people complained how hard it is to hit shots because it was relatively more realistic compared to live at that time.

Movement momentum was not in 2k until 2k8(maybe 2k5 but not enough for you to feel like your walking in mud unlike 2k9) I think and live implemented something similar to momentum at 2007 (footplanting). The shot stick was introduced at 2k6 and it wasn't until 2k9 that 2k had a problem in player movement (moving from point a to point b).

Live had the better dribbling system back then I agree but control was never a problem for BOTH games. So yeah having identical animations from 2006 for live is INEXCUSABLE because its not about how its canned or anything, the INDIVIDUAL animations (I'm not even talking about transition of animations yet) look really bad and that is something they can easily fix if they wanted to.

And I really don't think live rebuilt their engine at 2007 since it had the same problems of previous live titles (EA is known for their marketing bull back then so I really don't trust them on this).

[Behindshadows]

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Seriously who cares!!! Why can't we have threads in the Elite / Live section that does not continue to get hijacked with 2k crap. I wish you guys could really stay on topic and not mention 2k some kind of way in every freak'n thread....take it to the 2k forums. smh..

@Jano....it's hard to notice anything in those videos. It's so visually unappealing it's not even worth it.

These are next-gen consoles, we buy them for the graphics differences every year and for the visuals to declined at almost a 70% rate, PA or not the game looks dull and not worth the notices of what they are trying to implement.

I know everyone wants to defend them to the end, but truth of the matter. The game is looking beyond poor of interest right now.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I'm convinced they don't care, bottom line IMO.

They have heard ours opinions over and over again with no regard to anything. Oh Well.

[magicman32]

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Seriously who cares!!! Why can't we have threads in the Elite / Live section that does not continue to get hijacked with 2k crap. I wish you guys could really stay on topic and not mention 2k some kind of way in every freak'n thread....take it to the 2k forums. smh..

@Jano....it's hard to notice anything in those videos. It's so visually unappealing it's not even worth it.

These are next-gen consoles, we buy them for the graphics differences every year and for the visuals to declined at almost a 70% rate, PA or not the game looks dull and not worth the notices of what they are trying to implement.

I know everyone wants to defend them to the end, but truth of the matter. The game is looking beyond poor of interest right now.

The graphics are one thing, but it seems to play equally as poor. The transition in animations are sloppy. The contact and shot in the paint animations are bad. Heck, the contact period seems to be inconsistent. The hop step is too powerful and unrealistic. Momentum and weight seems to be off balanced. Example is that tayshaun Prince Euro step.

Plus they took out turbo completely. I wouldn't mind the graphics the way they are if the basketball fundamentals were on a next gen level. But that's not the case and it's truely sad.

[atomant94]

Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

It's A Shame That EA Couldn't Build On From The Success Live 10 Had.

No Reason Why Mike Wang Left......

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Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

Shadows is right, kingpnp if you bring up another 2k game in here taking another thread way off topic im going to put an end to it

That said, its funny that there was no suction in Live 08 and how they at least thought it was important to implement go to moves and stuff... why is it something that seems like its brand new now?

This is the exact same thing that im being told wasnt as important but why
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So again, its sad that this game is old and looks better and understands concepts better in certain areas

Then they have no suction either... skip to about 4:20..thats where the game starts
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Honestly man... tell me exactly what the advantages are again really?