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  • Playmakers
    Hall Of Fame
    • Sep 2004
    • 15417

    #16
    Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

    Originally posted by Da_Czar
    So fly you didn't get bored with the repetition of live 10 ?

    Also I don't think lots of animations and control are at opposite ends of the spectrum.
    I thought we were halfway there in Live 10...

    I mean it wasn't the best animations but hey it was progress. Now this year i don't care what anyone says the game is back to moving like garbage.

    Now this might make some some people happy because we all know there are a few guys who simply just don't want the game to succeed because it's EA.

    But for me i was like ok cool Live 10 is starting to get it right now the animations is all that needs to be tweaked. Then they go and do this crap....come on man i'm not interested in USER freedom to do what ever i want if it's going to be at the expense of having legitimate looking basketball animations.

    Now i don't know a damn thing about programming video games....but i know an awful lot about what basketball looks like on the court and how it should be played. This ain't no damn basketball i grew watching or playing since the 3rd or 4th grade when my old Elementary coach was teaching us the basics of basketball fundementals.

    From a animation standpoint Elite is basic basketball....unfortunately most of "US" have developed our game over the years and moved on to advance basketball where we are able to pull off moves and they look much better than the moves we did in Elementary School.

    I keep saying this is the year and EA keeps saying no it's not but it's coming
    Last edited by Playmakers; 09-02-2010, 06:55 PM.
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    • Forever_Young83
      Banned
      • Jul 2010
      • 225

      #17
      Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

      There comes a time when you gotta stop being a fan or (Fanboy) and just be realistic about things. A game in 2010 should not look like something from 2004. If the other game pulled this trick, you best believe i'd be over there going off too.

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      • kurt2134
        Rookie
        • Sep 2007
        • 370

        #18
        Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

        I loved Live 05 and if you would have showed me that 6 years later, 5 years into a consoles life cycle that the game would look like this, I would have thought it was a joke. It doesn't look anywhere near as good as it should. I love the idea of better control but what made EA think that we wanted them to completely disregard what makes a game look like real life basketball? That's just my opinion.

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        • Philstat
          Pro
          • Oct 2002
          • 864

          #19
          Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

          Originally posted by Forever_Young83
          There comes a time when you gotta stop being a fan or (Fanboy) and just be realistic about things. A game in 2010 should not look like something from 2004. If the other game pulled this trick, you best believe I'd be over there going off too.
          Totally agree, I've been wanting SO BAD to see what Elite had to offer this year, there was some hype talking about RTP, player control being revolutionary, man, I'm not seeing this. EA is going to do more harm this year than good, they are going to lose even more of their fanbase, the game looks extremely rough/meaning everything looks in early development - animations are deplorable, seeing the dunks and the hop steps were enough to ward me off.

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          • Forever_Young83
            Banned
            • Jul 2010
            • 225

            #20
            Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

            I think EA tends to listen to the fanboys more than Baskeball fans, which in this case resulted in what you see in the videos.

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            • Playmakers
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2004
              • 15417

              #21
              Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

              Originally posted by Forever_Young83
              There comes a time when you gotta stop being a fan or (Fanboy) and just be realistic about things. A game in 2010 should not look like something from 2004. If the other game pulled this trick, you best believe i'd be over there going off too.
              I'm not going say i've stopped being a fanboy..... but i did venture over to the other court last year.

              Now regardless if I'm a EA fan boy or not i just want the darn game to move realistic for once. Some of us have been waiting and waiting and every year it seems like other things are being given priority and the animations are put on the backburn.

              Now after reading reanimator's post as to why the animations are lacking i can understand his point and views but that doesn't make it right to me because some of us just want a realistic looking game on the floor for once.

              We aren't interested in a game dominated by USER total control if it hinders the animations. I can go all game to be honest without needing to pull off USER controlled moves to the fullest. I'm not like a lot of these cats where i want to show off what i can do vs the CPU.

              I want the CPU to look like a baller not some dude who has been waiting on the sidelines to play all day and then he gets out there and realize why he was never picked up earlier. Every year the CPU is generic as hell in there movement and mannerism on the floor.

              Does anyone ever fear pushing up on Chris Paul and having him break you down the right way off the dribble.....in Elite Paul will be just another generic looking ball handler.

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              • kwas676
                Pro
                • Jul 2008
                • 520

                #22
                Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                Originally posted by Philstat
                Totally agree, I've been wanting SO BAD to see what Elite had to offer this year, there was some hype talking about RTP, player control being revolutionary, man, I'm not seeing this. EA is going to do more harm this year than good, they are going to lose even more of their fanbase, the game looks extremely rough/meaning everything looks in early development - animations are deplorable, seeing the dunks and the hop steps were enough to ward me off.
                I agree man I don't know how bad sales where last year but I predict them being worse this year. I wish they would take a year off and give these dev more time cause they are good guys who want to deliver a great game, but I don't see it happening. This will crush the little fanbase there holding on to, I mean one of my friends last year didn't even know they still make Live smh.

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                • kwas676
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 520

                  #23
                  Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                  Originally posted by Forever_Young83
                  I think EA tends to listen to the fanboys more than Baskeball fans, which in this case resulted in what you see in the videos.
                  Sorry that a false statement since 09 they been asking and been listen to a lot user on OS. Now elite its more them trying follow the NHL route.

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                  • Da_Czar
                    NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5408

                    #24
                    Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                    Well the last and final retreat for them now is the demo. They have put everything into it and I for one am going to be very interested in what the NEW fan base has to say about it.

                    I give the elite marketing guys credit they have attracted new interest from new buyers with the NHL transplant idea. You can hear it being repeated in the threads... NHL wasn't very good and now its the best.

                    The problem as I see it is they are alienating their hardcore fan base. The new people they are attracting will give them support and patience but they don't sell games. When momentus makes a video he is selling games man. When a game is good enough to inspire roster makers to spend all their free time making rosters They help make sales happen... The base brings the passion and the passion is what gives your game legs as far as sales.

                    When I see our family like shadows and Playmakers willing to throw in the towel it can not be good for the longterm outlook of the franchise.

                    Then you have dev's telling us its more like real life if we don't force the defense to bend their legs before they contest a shot... REALLY. Did the gameplay guys tell you that.... Or was that someone else ... Hmmmmmm

                    Remember the whole were not going arcade guys were going SIM ?

                    Sometimes I think they forget.. We have been though this a few times.. Most of us here are not 12 man.
                    Last edited by Da_Czar; 09-02-2010, 07:51 PM.
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                    • Forever_Young83
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 225

                      #25
                      Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                      Originally posted by kwas676
                      Sorry that a false statement since 09 they been asking and been listen to a lot user on OS. Now elite its more them trying follow the NHL route.

                      Ahhhh case and point a lot of osers are EA fanboys and you cant doubt that.

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                      • Forever_Young83
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 225

                        #26
                        Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                        @ Playmakers i didn't say you were a fanboy, i was just saying that in general. People really do have to open there eyes though and see things for what they are.

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                        • 2kfanatic
                          Rookie
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 437

                          #27
                          Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                          The problem is not how many the animations are, the problem is how those animations blend which each other and how bad they look individually and normally if you have less animations, it will be easier to blend those but this is not the case in elite 11.

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                          • jugganott
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 84

                            #28
                            Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                            I don't know if they just need to put more guys in MO CAP suits and work it that way. I believe that's why the game plays the way that it does. If you don't have the Mo Cap animation for certain things then you really can't expect nothing but the same animation based result. It IS a game....so you will have that to a certain degree, but at least have more guys in suits for more animations and more results.
                            Last edited by jugganott; 09-02-2010, 08:42 PM.
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                            • RayDog253
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 984

                              #29
                              Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                              EA thinks 2 man animations wont work. But I think if you have enough of them with lots of variety it'll work just fine(2k for example).

                              But I still hope they continue to improve on RTP, and just add a lot more animations for different situations. So that way when we never see the thing twice, and the game is still fresh come playoff time.....
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                              • Rocboyz101
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                                • Aug 2009
                                • 1550

                                #30
                                Re: EA why after 5 years can't we get improved animations?

                                A whole lot of truth in this thread..
                                "I'm so far ahead of my time, I'm bout to start another life
                                Look behind you, I'm bout to pass you twice
                                Back to the future and gotta slow up for the present
                                I'm fast, dudes can't get past my past
                                How they supposed to deal with my perfect present?"

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