Freestyle vs. Isomotion

[Virix]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

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Pared said:
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Pared said:
Sliders do wonders in Live, and help minimize that "arcadey" feeling, if you even feel that it's worth justifying that poor point.

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Kanobi, don't misconstrue my words please. My point was no matter how you feel about freestyle, there is a slider in Live to adjust it's effectiveness. There's no similar thing in ESPN, b/c it's "mini game" can't be altered, at least to my knowledge. I could be wrong on that last part.

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Actually you are wrong about that. The Ball Handling slider will effect Isomotion effectiveness. Theres a slider for both, so that point really doesnt matter one bit...

[jiggaman]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

[jiggaman]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

[jiggaman]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

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jiggaman said:
isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

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Questions

1) Have you played both Live '04 and NBA 2K4?
2) Since when do you string together "Freestyle" moves?
It is well known that you string together IsoMontion moves,
hence the button combinations.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

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jiggaman said:
isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

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Questions

1) Have you played both Live '04 and NBA 2K4?
2) Since when do you string together "Freestyle" moves?
It is well known that you string together IsoMontion moves,
hence the button combinations.

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

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jiggaman said:
isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

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Questions

1) Have you played both Live '04 and NBA 2K4?
2) Since when do you string together "Freestyle" moves?
It is well known that you string together IsoMontion moves,
hence the button combinations.

[Liger20]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

I have both and will be in the minority here and say I prefer the isomotion style. THe key to using Iso is cancelling and recognizing, cancel if the guy jumps infront of you and recognize when you break their akles or they shift the wrong way.
Iso motions animations are somewhat slow, but not that bad, can be a little tough to cancel out of I will admit that. They are charge happy, but if you learn to cancel you can avoid the charges. The idea of it was to replicate the constant 1/1 game that is present in the NBA, say what you want about team work but the NBA is showtime basketball and I feel Iso gives you the chance to do that more than freestyle. It is more complex and is riskier but once you learn how to use it, good things happen.

Here are some Keys to it:

1. Use a guy that can handle the rock, Cassel, Payton, Kobe, etc. Iso is far more effective with them, you can get by guys with one move. Do not use it on Malone, or some other guy who does not handle the rock the way a point or guard can.
2. Read the D, if he jumps in front of you just cancel and try the other direction, spin, or pull up for the shot.
3. Do not use it every time!!
4. Learn to string the Iso moves together and pass out of them, it works and is smooth as butter if you practice enough.


Iso motion is really a cool feature, like an expanded freestyle. With the Framerate issue in Live 04, Iso becomes a lot of fun because it runs so smooth, for the most part. I do think that they have things a little exaggerated, but not that badly. You do feel out of control at time, but when in Freestyle I feel the same way sometimes. Overall I like the feature and hope the tweak it some, but there is not much to tweak. Just cut down the animations some and take the charges down, and it is perfect. Practice with it and use good Ball handlers with it, or you will pay for it.

[Liger20]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

I have both and will be in the minority here and say I prefer the isomotion style. THe key to using Iso is cancelling and recognizing, cancel if the guy jumps infront of you and recognize when you break their akles or they shift the wrong way.
Iso motions animations are somewhat slow, but not that bad, can be a little tough to cancel out of I will admit that. They are charge happy, but if you learn to cancel you can avoid the charges. The idea of it was to replicate the constant 1/1 game that is present in the NBA, say what you want about team work but the NBA is showtime basketball and I feel Iso gives you the chance to do that more than freestyle. It is more complex and is riskier but once you learn how to use it, good things happen.

Here are some Keys to it:

1. Use a guy that can handle the rock, Cassel, Payton, Kobe, etc. Iso is far more effective with them, you can get by guys with one move. Do not use it on Malone, or some other guy who does not handle the rock the way a point or guard can.
2. Read the D, if he jumps in front of you just cancel and try the other direction, spin, or pull up for the shot.
3. Do not use it every time!!
4. Learn to string the Iso moves together and pass out of them, it works and is smooth as butter if you practice enough.


Iso motion is really a cool feature, like an expanded freestyle. With the Framerate issue in Live 04, Iso becomes a lot of fun because it runs so smooth, for the most part. I do think that they have things a little exaggerated, but not that badly. You do feel out of control at time, but when in Freestyle I feel the same way sometimes. Overall I like the feature and hope the tweak it some, but there is not much to tweak. Just cut down the animations some and take the charges down, and it is perfect. Practice with it and use good Ball handlers with it, or you will pay for it.

[Liger20]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

I have both and will be in the minority here and say I prefer the isomotion style. THe key to using Iso is cancelling and recognizing, cancel if the guy jumps infront of you and recognize when you break their akles or they shift the wrong way.
Iso motions animations are somewhat slow, but not that bad, can be a little tough to cancel out of I will admit that. They are charge happy, but if you learn to cancel you can avoid the charges. The idea of it was to replicate the constant 1/1 game that is present in the NBA, say what you want about team work but the NBA is showtime basketball and I feel Iso gives you the chance to do that more than freestyle. It is more complex and is riskier but once you learn how to use it, good things happen.

Here are some Keys to it:

1. Use a guy that can handle the rock, Cassel, Payton, Kobe, etc. Iso is far more effective with them, you can get by guys with one move. Do not use it on Malone, or some other guy who does not handle the rock the way a point or guard can.
2. Read the D, if he jumps in front of you just cancel and try the other direction, spin, or pull up for the shot.
3. Do not use it every time!!
4. Learn to string the Iso moves together and pass out of them, it works and is smooth as butter if you practice enough.


Iso motion is really a cool feature, like an expanded freestyle. With the Framerate issue in Live 04, Iso becomes a lot of fun because it runs so smooth, for the most part. I do think that they have things a little exaggerated, but not that badly. You do feel out of control at time, but when in Freestyle I feel the same way sometimes. Overall I like the feature and hope the tweak it some, but there is not much to tweak. Just cut down the animations some and take the charges down, and it is perfect. Practice with it and use good Ball handlers with it, or you will pay for it.

[neovsmatrix]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

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bigeastbumrush said:
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jiggaman said:
isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

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Questions

1) Have you played both Live '04 and NBA 2K4?
2) Since when do you string together "Freestyle" moves?
It is well known that you string together IsoMontion moves,
hence the button combinations.

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Actually, while I don't believe ESPN NBA Basketball is as much of a sim as it wants to be or claims to be (i.e. the AI seems way too likely to gather around the middle along the 3-point arc rather than truly spread the D and go to the corners ready for 3 point attempts, not to mention there are no authentic plays in the game ), I do think ISOmotion is a more realistic dribbling style than freestyle is. However, Isomotion is too limited, because it can only be used on the perimeter. There are no real post-up isomotion moves (which they might want to look into developing). In other words, freestyle has more range, but isomotion is more realistic in the dribbling ANIMATION. But that's as far as it goes IMHO.

Of course, I'd be remiss in saying you can't use Isomotion in the post at all. You can LINK Isomotion with the post, but you don't have any actual post moves there. You can face up after posting up and use isomotion, but it's still not as effective as on the perimeter, and I prefer freestyle's way of handling the post maneuvers.

I also like the fact that you can actually TRAVEL in the game with freestyle. That's just a really nice addition to a game which only enhances realism, as far as I'm concerned.

[neovsmatrix]

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bigeastbumrush said:
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jiggaman said:
isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

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Questions

1) Have you played both Live '04 and NBA 2K4?
2) Since when do you string together "Freestyle" moves?
It is well known that you string together IsoMontion moves,
hence the button combinations.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Actually, while I don't believe ESPN NBA Basketball is as much of a sim as it wants to be or claims to be (i.e. the AI seems way too likely to gather around the middle along the 3-point arc rather than truly spread the D and go to the corners ready for 3 point attempts, not to mention there are no authentic plays in the game ), I do think ISOmotion is a more realistic dribbling style than freestyle is. However, Isomotion is too limited, because it can only be used on the perimeter. There are no real post-up isomotion moves (which they might want to look into developing). In other words, freestyle has more range, but isomotion is more realistic in the dribbling ANIMATION. But that's as far as it goes IMHO.

Of course, I'd be remiss in saying you can't use Isomotion in the post at all. You can LINK Isomotion with the post, but you don't have any actual post moves there. You can face up after posting up and use isomotion, but it's still not as effective as on the perimeter, and I prefer freestyle's way of handling the post maneuvers.

I also like the fact that you can actually TRAVEL in the game with freestyle. That's just a really nice addition to a game which only enhances realism, as far as I'm concerned.

[neovsmatrix]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

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bigeastbumrush said:
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jiggaman said:
isomotion definitely represents more of an nba-realistic type of action. plain and simple. freestyle isn't bad, if your looking to string together 50 dribble moves until your finally open, like i said b4. when in the nba do you see something like THAT happen, whereas you ALWAYS see more of isolation plays and 2 man games. the 6ers pass it to iverson, and he doesn't start dribbling like a maniac until he gets open, they pass it to him, he makes 1 or 2 good moves, or a nasty crossover, and is by his man, which is what isomotion represents. and if you are a player who doesn't have a nasty crossover, you can get called for the charge much like nba ball. which is why freestyle is MUCH more arcade-like. its not biased, its from someone who would rather play a basketball SIM, then a basketball GAME. and please show me a link of someone in the nba pulling off freestyle moves linked together like nba live does, please!! i'd love to see it. if nba live was trying to mimick a globetrotters game, they did a great job with the freestyle addition.

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Questions

1) Have you played both Live '04 and NBA 2K4?
2) Since when do you string together "Freestyle" moves?
It is well known that you string together IsoMontion moves,
hence the button combinations.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Actually, while I don't believe ESPN NBA Basketball is as much of a sim as it wants to be or claims to be (i.e. the AI seems way too likely to gather around the middle along the 3-point arc rather than truly spread the D and go to the corners ready for 3 point attempts, not to mention there are no authentic plays in the game ), I do think ISOmotion is a more realistic dribbling style than freestyle is. However, Isomotion is too limited, because it can only be used on the perimeter. There are no real post-up isomotion moves (which they might want to look into developing). In other words, freestyle has more range, but isomotion is more realistic in the dribbling ANIMATION. But that's as far as it goes IMHO.

Of course, I'd be remiss in saying you can't use Isomotion in the post at all. You can LINK Isomotion with the post, but you don't have any actual post moves there. You can face up after posting up and use isomotion, but it's still not as effective as on the perimeter, and I prefer freestyle's way of handling the post maneuvers.

I also like the fact that you can actually TRAVEL in the game with freestyle. That's just a really nice addition to a game which only enhances realism, as far as I'm concerned.

[silky4]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

I think we're all forgetting something, and neovsmatrix touched on it. Freestyle is not about stringing together dribble moves. To tell you the truth, the dribble freestyle moves rarely work. The freestyle moves that are the most effective are out of the triple threat position. This is the situation you see most often in the NBA in one-on-one situations, save Iverson. You catch the ball on the wing, swing it, jab-step right or left, and then with someone like Iverson, can blow by your opponent with a quick first-step. This is much more effective in getting to the hole than doing a bunch of crossovers. Also, in the post, you can use freestyle to turn and face your man after catching the ball down low, then attack off the dribble or shoot the jumper, or turn your back and do a post move. I think freestyle has a ton of depth to it, and yes, you can crossover all the way up the floor, but you're not getting to the hole that way. The man to man defense is much tighter this year. To me, the real genius behind freestyle is the depth of the moves in the triple threat position...

[silky4]

Re: Freestyle vs. Isomotion

I think we're all forgetting something, and neovsmatrix touched on it. Freestyle is not about stringing together dribble moves. To tell you the truth, the dribble freestyle moves rarely work. The freestyle moves that are the most effective are out of the triple threat position. This is the situation you see most often in the NBA in one-on-one situations, save Iverson. You catch the ball on the wing, swing it, jab-step right or left, and then with someone like Iverson, can blow by your opponent with a quick first-step. This is much more effective in getting to the hole than doing a bunch of crossovers. Also, in the post, you can use freestyle to turn and face your man after catching the ball down low, then attack off the dribble or shoot the jumper, or turn your back and do a post move. I think freestyle has a ton of depth to it, and yes, you can crossover all the way up the floor, but you're not getting to the hole that way. The man to man defense is much tighter this year. To me, the real genius behind freestyle is the depth of the moves in the triple threat position...