Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**jmood88** · 10-29-2003, 08:57 PM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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FootballForever said:
This Jmood88 is really a jack@ss he over at the ESPN forum saying (looks like footballforever left again) what is wrong with this guy, I never knew my choice of game would really affect his life so much. I should say im sorry to him

what a loser.

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The reason I posted that was because you made a thread talking about your love for nba2k after you were talking about how much you hated it in this forum. I don't care what you buy but I just found it funny how you change your mind so fast.

**kickster** · 10-29-2003, 09:12 PM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add another convert to the list. I bought Live 2004 the day it came out and thought it was good but I was certain that ESPN would be significantly better because of the great/perfect reviews it was receiving. I've owned every edition of the 2k series and bought a DC just for this series back in 1999. It has gone kind of downhill since moving to other systems. Anyways, I traded in Live 2004 before ESPN was released because that's how confident I was in that game. Just like someone stated earlier, I was eager to play ESPN once I got it. Flew through traffic trying to get home and running straight to the Xbox as soon as I walked through the door. End result? An overall very disappointing experience. How in the world did it get such excellent reviews from everywhere you look? I don't even talk about it on the ESPN forum. Conflicts arise too easily. For example, a subject for one of the threads was "Rate ESPN Basketball." I responded "I give it a 2.5 out of 5"(which is average; not great and not terrible). Next thing you know, I'm attacked like I did something completely wrong.

After that, I had a brief exchange with two guys and before I knew it, I had one less star under my username. It was ridiculous. Anyways, I don't bother to discuss game problems anymore like I use to do. It's a waste of time to me. People loyal to the game defend its problems as you guys can see and if the developers fix the problem, other problems arise. It's like going in circles. So, I just rate the game without discussing anything else(keep it short and sweet) and go on about my business. MAYBE they'll get it right next year without my criticism. If not? Oh well. Anyways, a few days ago, I went right back out and bought Live again. ESPN is collecting dust already and I'm looking to trade it in on something. In my view, Live is at the forefront this year so far in terms of basketball quality. Hopefully, ID 2004 will be even better than Live just for the sake of having an even more quality basketball game out to buy. If it doesn't deliver, then Live 2004 is the basketball champ of 2004, imo.

By the way, I've heard that OXM rated Live 2004 higher than ESPN.

**kickster** · 10-29-2003, 09:12 PM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add another convert to the list. I bought Live 2004 the day it came out and thought it was good but I was certain that ESPN would be significantly better because of the great/perfect reviews it was receiving. I've owned every edition of the 2k series and bought a DC just for this series back in 1999. It has gone kind of downhill since moving to other systems. Anyways, I traded in Live 2004 before ESPN was released because that's how confident I was in that game. Just like someone stated earlier, I was eager to play ESPN once I got it. Flew through traffic trying to get home and running straight to the Xbox as soon as I walked through the door. End result? An overall very disappointing experience. How in the world did it get such excellent reviews from everywhere you look? I don't even talk about it on the ESPN forum. Conflicts arise too easily. For example, a subject for one of the threads was "Rate ESPN Basketball." I responded "I give it a 2.5 out of 5"(which is average; not great and not terrible). Next thing you know, I'm attacked like I did something completely wrong.

After that, I had a brief exchange with two guys and before I knew it, I had one less star under my username. It was ridiculous. Anyways, I don't bother to discuss game problems anymore like I use to do. It's a waste of time to me. People loyal to the game defend its problems as you guys can see and if the developers fix the problem, other problems arise. It's like going in circles. So, I just rate the game without discussing anything else(keep it short and sweet) and go on about my business. MAYBE they'll get it right next year without my criticism. If not? Oh well. Anyways, a few days ago, I went right back out and bought Live again. ESPN is collecting dust already and I'm looking to trade it in on something. In my view, Live is at the forefront this year so far in terms of basketball quality. Hopefully, ID 2004 will be even better than Live just for the sake of having an even more quality basketball game out to buy. If it doesn't deliver, then Live 2004 is the basketball champ of 2004, imo.

By the way, I've heard that OXM rated Live 2004 higher than ESPN.

**kickster** · 10-29-2003, 09:12 PM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Add another convert to the list. I bought Live 2004 the day it came out and thought it was good but I was certain that ESPN would be significantly better because of the great/perfect reviews it was receiving. I've owned every edition of the 2k series and bought a DC just for this series back in 1999. It has gone kind of downhill since moving to other systems. Anyways, I traded in Live 2004 before ESPN was released because that's how confident I was in that game. Just like someone stated earlier, I was eager to play ESPN once I got it. Flew through traffic trying to get home and running straight to the Xbox as soon as I walked through the door. End result? An overall very disappointing experience. How in the world did it get such excellent reviews from everywhere you look? I don't even talk about it on the ESPN forum. Conflicts arise too easily. For example, a subject for one of the threads was "Rate ESPN Basketball." I responded "I give it a 2.5 out of 5"(which is average; not great and not terrible). Next thing you know, I'm attacked like I did something completely wrong.

After that, I had a brief exchange with two guys and before I knew it, I had one less star under my username. It was ridiculous. Anyways, I don't bother to discuss game problems anymore like I use to do. It's a waste of time to me. People loyal to the game defend its problems as you guys can see and if the developers fix the problem, other problems arise. It's like going in circles. So, I just rate the game without discussing anything else(keep it short and sweet) and go on about my business. MAYBE they'll get it right next year without my criticism. If not? Oh well. Anyways, a few days ago, I went right back out and bought Live again. ESPN is collecting dust already and I'm looking to trade it in on something. In my view, Live is at the forefront this year so far in terms of basketball quality. Hopefully, ID 2004 will be even better than Live just for the sake of having an even more quality basketball game out to buy. If it doesn't deliver, then Live 2004 is the basketball champ of 2004, imo.

By the way, I've heard that OXM rated Live 2004 higher than ESPN.

**Handy** · 10-30-2003, 02:37 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jmood88 said:
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FootballForever said:
This Jmood88 is really a jack@ss he over at the ESPN forum saying (looks like footballforever left again) what is wrong with this guy, I never knew my choice of game would really affect his life so much. I should say im sorry to him

what a loser.

<hr /></blockquote>

The reason I posted that was because you made a thread talking about your love for nba2k after you were talking about how much you hated it in this forum. I don't care what you buy but I just found it funny how you change your mind so fast.

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Jmood88, congratulations!!

You're not a loser, you're a WINNER!

You're the winner of THE DUMBEST THREAD 2003.

And also the winner of THE CENSORED YOU NAUGHTY BOY OF THE YEAR.

**Handy** · 10-30-2003, 02:37 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jmood88 said:
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FootballForever said:
This Jmood88 is really a jack@ss he over at the ESPN forum saying (looks like footballforever left again) what is wrong with this guy, I never knew my choice of game would really affect his life so much. I should say im sorry to him

what a loser.

<hr /></blockquote>

The reason I posted that was because you made a thread talking about your love for nba2k after you were talking about how much you hated it in this forum. I don't care what you buy but I just found it funny how you change your mind so fast.

<hr /></blockquote>

Jmood88, congratulations!!

You're not a loser, you're a WINNER!

You're the winner of THE DUMBEST THREAD 2003.

And also the winner of THE CENSORED YOU NAUGHTY BOY OF THE YEAR.

**Handy** · 10-30-2003, 02:37 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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jmood88 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
FootballForever said:
This Jmood88 is really a jack@ss he over at the ESPN forum saying (looks like footballforever left again) what is wrong with this guy, I never knew my choice of game would really affect his life so much. I should say im sorry to him

what a loser.

<hr /></blockquote>

The reason I posted that was because you made a thread talking about your love for nba2k after you were talking about how much you hated it in this forum. I don't care what you buy but I just found it funny how you change your mind so fast.

<hr /></blockquote>

Jmood88, congratulations!!

You're not a loser, you're a WINNER!

You're the winner of THE DUMBEST THREAD 2003.

And also the winner of THE CENSORED YOU NAUGHTY BOY OF THE YEAR.

**Da_Czar** · 10-30-2003, 08:11 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NoleFan said:
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Philstat said:
man Live is so much more fun to play, it in a lot of ways looks more natural as well.

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Yo, you ever find yourself pumpin your fist when you do something good on the game like get an and 1 in a clutch situation or barely squeeze out a lay-up on the fastbreak with a guy chasing you?

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Hell yeah baby . Live has me hyped i end up looking for someone to high five. telling the cpu to get the @uck up etcetc.

**Da_Czar** · 10-30-2003, 08:11 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NoleFan said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Philstat said:
man Live is so much more fun to play, it in a lot of ways looks more natural as well.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yo, you ever find yourself pumpin your fist when you do something good on the game like get an and 1 in a clutch situation or barely squeeze out a lay-up on the fastbreak with a guy chasing you?

<hr /></blockquote>

Hell yeah baby . Live has me hyped i end up looking for someone to high five. telling the cpu to get the @uck up etcetc.

**Da_Czar** · 10-30-2003, 08:11 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NoleFan said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Philstat said:
man Live is so much more fun to play, it in a lot of ways looks more natural as well.

<hr /></blockquote>

Yo, you ever find yourself pumpin your fist when you do something good on the game like get an and 1 in a clutch situation or barely squeeze out a lay-up on the fastbreak with a guy chasing you?

<hr /></blockquote>

Hell yeah baby . Live has me hyped i end up looking for someone to high five. telling the cpu to get the @uck up etcetc.

**ZoneBlitz** · 10-30-2003, 08:52 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Graphik said:
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FootballForever said:
Graphik How's it going, I knew I would hear from you sooner or later. So If I get flamed I get flamed not biggie for me, BUT rember I never bashed any one of these games. They are both good games in there own right, but only one seems to stand tall and I see it being LIVE. I still love sega. Oh well.

<hr /></blockquote>

You really dont have to worry about getting flamed in here. Everyone seems to be enjoying Live and are in the stages of just disscusing the game and hooking new ppl up with info. Well, in my opinion thats how it seems.

I've been reading in the ESPN forums and sometimes it looks like thier actually discussing the game, then other times it looks like a mob rally. Someone is always getting beaten to death over there like they slept with somebodys sister. Well, this place is pretty calm now due to the fact its been out a week longer. My comparison for the ESPN and Live forums are, Live looks like a quiet house party or gathering where ppl are laughing and mingling amungst one another. ESPN looks like the streets of Compton where studs are waiting on the corner for someone to step into thier territory so they can ask "what set you claim fool"? so they can bullyfoot em right quick.

Dumb anology, but it seems like ppl are jumping ship by the masses. Both games seem to be real good this year, it may be just one that lacks something as you said ESPN does so to each his own.

Now tell me, "what set you claimin homie "????!?!?

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Hey, I bought Live and love it. I just can't understand why jumpshots are absent and you can never get around your defender. There are also a few other quirks, but it seems like a good game. I don't see the ESPN boards like the streets of Compton for two reasons. Number one, I have family in Compton and contrary to the media's stereotypical portrayal of the area, it is not nearly as violent as people think. Rap videos and biased news reports do not constitue reality. Perhaps a Colorado suburban school would be a more adequate analogy??? Second, I think that ESPN fans - myself included - are under pressure for the games to do well because the intense competition and the fact that they (or we) are aligned with the underdogs. I just want games that are good, consistent with their feature set, and fun to play. Thus far, NBA Live does that for me.

Also, if you guys could tell me how to get around defenders and take jumpers I would really appreciate that. Right now, I can't get any fast breaks, and one defensive player can stop a 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1 with ease. Last night, I played it all night instead of football and was pissed off because I love the game, but I can't figure out how to make my players perform. Holla if ya hear me.

**ZoneBlitz** · 10-30-2003, 08:52 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Graphik said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
FootballForever said:
Graphik How's it going, I knew I would hear from you sooner or later. So If I get flamed I get flamed not biggie for me, BUT rember I never bashed any one of these games. They are both good games in there own right, but only one seems to stand tall and I see it being LIVE. I still love sega. Oh well.

<hr /></blockquote>

You really dont have to worry about getting flamed in here. Everyone seems to be enjoying Live and are in the stages of just disscusing the game and hooking new ppl up with info. Well, in my opinion thats how it seems.

I've been reading in the ESPN forums and sometimes it looks like thier actually discussing the game, then other times it looks like a mob rally. Someone is always getting beaten to death over there like they slept with somebodys sister. Well, this place is pretty calm now due to the fact its been out a week longer. My comparison for the ESPN and Live forums are, Live looks like a quiet house party or gathering where ppl are laughing and mingling amungst one another. ESPN looks like the streets of Compton where studs are waiting on the corner for someone to step into thier territory so they can ask "what set you claim fool"? so they can bullyfoot em right quick.

Dumb anology, but it seems like ppl are jumping ship by the masses. Both games seem to be real good this year, it may be just one that lacks something as you said ESPN does so to each his own.

Now tell me, "what set you claimin homie "????!?!?

<hr /></blockquote>

Hey, I bought Live and love it. I just can't understand why jumpshots are absent and you can never get around your defender. There are also a few other quirks, but it seems like a good game. I don't see the ESPN boards like the streets of Compton for two reasons. Number one, I have family in Compton and contrary to the media's stereotypical portrayal of the area, it is not nearly as violent as people think. Rap videos and biased news reports do not constitue reality. Perhaps a Colorado suburban school would be a more adequate analogy??? Second, I think that ESPN fans - myself included - are under pressure for the games to do well because the intense competition and the fact that they (or we) are aligned with the underdogs. I just want games that are good, consistent with their feature set, and fun to play. Thus far, NBA Live does that for me.

Also, if you guys could tell me how to get around defenders and take jumpers I would really appreciate that. Right now, I can't get any fast breaks, and one defensive player can stop a 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1 with ease. Last night, I played it all night instead of football and was pissed off because I love the game, but I can't figure out how to make my players perform. Holla if ya hear me.

**ZoneBlitz** · 10-30-2003, 08:52 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Graphik said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
FootballForever said:
Graphik How's it going, I knew I would hear from you sooner or later. So If I get flamed I get flamed not biggie for me, BUT rember I never bashed any one of these games. They are both good games in there own right, but only one seems to stand tall and I see it being LIVE. I still love sega. Oh well.

<hr /></blockquote>

You really dont have to worry about getting flamed in here. Everyone seems to be enjoying Live and are in the stages of just disscusing the game and hooking new ppl up with info. Well, in my opinion thats how it seems.

I've been reading in the ESPN forums and sometimes it looks like thier actually discussing the game, then other times it looks like a mob rally. Someone is always getting beaten to death over there like they slept with somebodys sister. Well, this place is pretty calm now due to the fact its been out a week longer. My comparison for the ESPN and Live forums are, Live looks like a quiet house party or gathering where ppl are laughing and mingling amungst one another. ESPN looks like the streets of Compton where studs are waiting on the corner for someone to step into thier territory so they can ask "what set you claim fool"? so they can bullyfoot em right quick.

Dumb anology, but it seems like ppl are jumping ship by the masses. Both games seem to be real good this year, it may be just one that lacks something as you said ESPN does so to each his own.

Now tell me, "what set you claimin homie "????!?!?

<hr /></blockquote>

Hey, I bought Live and love it. I just can't understand why jumpshots are absent and you can never get around your defender. There are also a few other quirks, but it seems like a good game. I don't see the ESPN boards like the streets of Compton for two reasons. Number one, I have family in Compton and contrary to the media's stereotypical portrayal of the area, it is not nearly as violent as people think. Rap videos and biased news reports do not constitue reality. Perhaps a Colorado suburban school would be a more adequate analogy??? Second, I think that ESPN fans - myself included - are under pressure for the games to do well because the intense competition and the fact that they (or we) are aligned with the underdogs. I just want games that are good, consistent with their feature set, and fun to play. Thus far, NBA Live does that for me.

Also, if you guys could tell me how to get around defenders and take jumpers I would really appreciate that. Right now, I can't get any fast breaks, and one defensive player can stop a 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1 with ease. Last night, I played it all night instead of football and was pissed off because I love the game, but I can't figure out how to make my players perform. Holla if ya hear me.

**Pared** · 10-30-2003, 09:57 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ZoneBlitz said:
Hey, I bought Live and love it. I just can't understand why jumpshots are absent and you can never get around your defender. There are also a few other quirks, but it seems like a good game. I don't see the ESPN boards like the streets of Compton for two reasons. Number one, I have family in Compton and contrary to the media's stereotypical portrayal of the area, it is not nearly as violent as people think. Rap videos and biased news reports do not constitue reality. Perhaps a Colorado suburban school would be a more adequate analogy??? Second, I think that ESPN fans - myself included - are under pressure for the games to do well because the intense competition and the fact that they (or we) are aligned with the underdogs. I just want games that are good, consistent with their feature set, and fun to play. Thus far, NBA Live does that for me.

Also, if you guys could tell me how to get around defenders and take jumpers I would really appreciate that. Right now, I can't get any fast breaks, and one defensive player can stop a 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1 with ease. Last night, I played it all night instead of football and was pissed off because I love the game, but I can't figure out how to make my players perform. Holla if ya hear me.

<hr /></blockquote>

Hey man, I wouldn't take the analogy to heart. I think he's just running on stereotypes. The stereotype is Live is a straight Arcade-fest and ESPN is for anyone who likes "sim-ball." And actually it seems like Live is the underdog on most Internet Forums, IMO. It's slowly changing as more people actually play and experiment with the game.

If you want some more tips, check out the slider sticky above. I, as well as others have some really great sliders up there. It makes Live feel even MORE like a sim, amazingly.

All in all, EA did a great job this year.

**Pared** · 10-30-2003, 09:57 AM

Re: Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ZoneBlitz said:
Hey, I bought Live and love it. I just can't understand why jumpshots are absent and you can never get around your defender. There are also a few other quirks, but it seems like a good game. I don't see the ESPN boards like the streets of Compton for two reasons. Number one, I have family in Compton and contrary to the media's stereotypical portrayal of the area, it is not nearly as violent as people think. Rap videos and biased news reports do not constitue reality. Perhaps a Colorado suburban school would be a more adequate analogy??? Second, I think that ESPN fans - myself included - are under pressure for the games to do well because the intense competition and the fact that they (or we) are aligned with the underdogs. I just want games that are good, consistent with their feature set, and fun to play. Thus far, NBA Live does that for me.

Also, if you guys could tell me how to get around defenders and take jumpers I would really appreciate that. Right now, I can't get any fast breaks, and one defensive player can stop a 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1 with ease. Last night, I played it all night instead of football and was pissed off because I love the game, but I can't figure out how to make my players perform. Holla if ya hear me.

<hr /></blockquote>

Hey man, I wouldn't take the analogy to heart. I think he's just running on stereotypes. The stereotype is Live is a straight Arcade-fest and ESPN is for anyone who likes "sim-ball." And actually it seems like Live is the underdog on most Internet Forums, IMO. It's slowly changing as more people actually play and experiment with the game.

If you want some more tips, check out the slider sticky above. I, as well as others have some really great sliders up there. It makes Live feel even MORE like a sim, amazingly.

All in all, EA did a great job this year.

Bold BOLD move from me,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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