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  • HMcCoy
    All Star
    • Jan 2003
    • 8212

    #91
    Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

    Originally posted by Pared
    Then go ahead and ban everyone who is sick and tired of these threads.
    Sick and tired of reading these...yet you open them. The fact that its a complaint clearly marked, yet your SOOOOOOO sick of them.....you just HAVE to read another one. Stupid is as stupid does. As a matter of fact, we had this same argument a month ago...except that time YOU were the one bitching. There was a 2K5 screenshot thread, and you brought up the fact that last years game sucked..blah, blah, blah. Needless negativity. But wait, you weren't....<sob> Ohh God, so, so, sick and tired of complaining then were you?
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    • ZigZag
      MVP
      • Sep 2002
      • 2668

      #92
      Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

      Originally posted by Pared
      If you're waiting until you get the perfect game, call me when hell freezes over. And have fun waiting...

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      • ZigZag
        MVP
        • Sep 2002
        • 2668

        #93
        Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

        Originally posted by Pared
        If you're waiting until you get the perfect game, call me when hell freezes over. And have fun waiting...

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #94
          Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

          Originally posted by HMcCoy
          Sick and tired of reading these...yet you open them. The fact that its a complaint clearly marked, yet your SOOOOOOO sick of them.....you just HAVE to read another one. Stupid is as stupid does. As a matter of fact, we had this same argument a month ago...except that time YOU were the one bitching. There was a 2K5 screenshot thread, and you brought up the fact that last years game sucked..blah, blah, blah. Needless negativity. But wait, you weren't....<sob> Ohh God, so, so, sick and tired of complaining then were you?
          Close, but no cigar.

          I didn't start a thread about it, I actually made a comment that was dead until brought up a day later. It was in jest, yet blown out of proportion. Some understood, others "couldn't grasp the joke."

          The point then is the same now: You have to reserve judgement on a game until you have played it! That's all I've said in this thread about the comments: How it's ridiculous people are making these comments without even playing the game. How the game PLAYS is the key. Yet so many have already thrown the white flag and surrendered to EA.

          It's like saying Live "couldn't be a sim" last year... b/c you played it out the box, or at your friend's house who had dunks at 100.

          I don't know how to explain it anymore clearly to you, bro. You didn't "get it" then, and you don't "get it" now.

          "Stupid is as stupid does..." That's cute. If wanting to reserve judgement to playing a game before I declare the sky is falling what makes me stupid, then I'm sure other OSer's are going to enjoy wallowing in their stupidity.</sob><sob>
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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #95
            Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

            Originally posted by HMcCoy
            Sick and tired of reading these...yet you open them. The fact that its a complaint clearly marked, yet your SOOOOOOO sick of them.....you just HAVE to read another one. Stupid is as stupid does. As a matter of fact, we had this same argument a month ago...except that time YOU were the one bitching. There was a 2K5 screenshot thread, and you brought up the fact that last years game sucked..blah, blah, blah. Needless negativity. But wait, you weren't....<sob> Ohh God, so, so, sick and tired of complaining then were you?
            Close, but no cigar.

            I didn't start a thread about it, I actually made a comment that was dead until brought up a day later. It was in jest, yet blown out of proportion. Some understood, others "couldn't grasp the joke."

            The point then is the same now: You have to reserve judgement on a game until you have played it! That's all I've said in this thread about the comments: How it's ridiculous people are making these comments without even playing the game. How the game PLAYS is the key. Yet so many have already thrown the white flag and surrendered to EA.

            It's like saying Live "couldn't be a sim" last year... b/c you played it out the box, or at your friend's house who had dunks at 100.

            I don't know how to explain it anymore clearly to you, bro. You didn't "get it" then, and you don't "get it" now.

            "Stupid is as stupid does..." That's cute. If wanting to reserve judgement to playing a game before I declare the sky is falling what makes me stupid, then I'm sure other OSer's are going to enjoy wallowing in their stupidity.</sob><sob>
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            • knickstorm
              Rookie
              • Sep 2002
              • 216

              #96
              Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

              Originally posted by lemon
              Couple of comments:

              Most Important: the movies are CPU vs CPU. Remember that the CPU Ai will react differently to a user as we tend to use different gameplay tendancies while playing.

              Stop and catch: I clearly remember seeing (though I can't remember specifically which movie it was) a player cutting down the lane, catching the ball IN STRIDE and going up for a layup. Also, obviously there are stop and catches as well.

              No mid range game??? I agree, what movies were you guys watching?

              Finally, shall we wait and ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME, before everyone comes with their negative crap. Seriously, lets have informed opinions guys.

              Comment on the MOVIES we have seen so far and what they might show. Then when you all have the game, comment on the GAME. Lets try and keep things in perspective.
              perhaps you didnt bother to read the title of thread, it's not things you noticed about live, it's things you notice about the beta vids. First off a mid-range game consists of more than just take one dribble inside the 3 pt line and put it up with a hand in your face. It's also running through screens to get that open 18 footer i saw none of that. It's also creating space to take a more open mid-range shot. Anyone wanna tell me where the mid-range game is at clip 12 mem vs twolves i think. It's pathetic 50 sec mark, cassel cant even bring the ball up past half court. Clip 15 wheres the MR shot?? I could go on but I won't. YOu wont ever hear a commentator talk about the lost art of the mid range jumper afters someone puts in a 15 footer with 2 people up in his face.

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              • knickstorm
                Rookie
                • Sep 2002
                • 216

                #97
                Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                Originally posted by lemon
                Couple of comments:

                Most Important: the movies are CPU vs CPU. Remember that the CPU Ai will react differently to a user as we tend to use different gameplay tendancies while playing.

                Stop and catch: I clearly remember seeing (though I can't remember specifically which movie it was) a player cutting down the lane, catching the ball IN STRIDE and going up for a layup. Also, obviously there are stop and catches as well.

                No mid range game??? I agree, what movies were you guys watching?

                Finally, shall we wait and ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME, before everyone comes with their negative crap. Seriously, lets have informed opinions guys.

                Comment on the MOVIES we have seen so far and what they might show. Then when you all have the game, comment on the GAME. Lets try and keep things in perspective.
                perhaps you didnt bother to read the title of thread, it's not things you noticed about live, it's things you notice about the beta vids. First off a mid-range game consists of more than just take one dribble inside the 3 pt line and put it up with a hand in your face. It's also running through screens to get that open 18 footer i saw none of that. It's also creating space to take a more open mid-range shot. Anyone wanna tell me where the mid-range game is at clip 12 mem vs twolves i think. It's pathetic 50 sec mark, cassel cant even bring the ball up past half court. Clip 15 wheres the MR shot?? I could go on but I won't. YOu wont ever hear a commentator talk about the lost art of the mid range jumper afters someone puts in a 15 footer with 2 people up in his face.

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                • HMcCoy
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8212

                  #98
                  Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                  Originally posted by Pared
                  Close, but no cigar.

                  I didn't start a thread about it, I actually made a comment that was dead until brought up a day later. It was in jest, yet blown out of proportion. Some understood, others "couldn't grasp the joke."

                  The point then is the same now: You have to reserve judgement on a game until you have played it! That's all I've said in this thread about the comments: How it's ridiculous people are making these comments without even playing the game. How the game PLAYS is the key. Yet so many have already thrown the white flag and surrendered to EA.

                  It's like saying Live "couldn't be a sim" last year... b/c you played it out the box, or at your friend's house who had dunks at 100.

                  I don't know how to explain it anymore clearly to you, bro. You didn't "get it" then, and you don't "get it" now.

                  "Stupid is as stupid does..." That's cute. If wanting to reserve judgement to playing a game before I declare the sky is falling what makes me stupid, then I'm sure other OSer's are going to enjoy wallowing in their stupidity.</sob><sob>
                  </sob>

                  Pay attention.


                  Poster A: "Man the fast breaks SUCK...they don't exist. EA dropped the ball AGAIN...yada, yada, yada."

                  Constructive response: "There ARE a couple of nice fast breaks in the videos, man. There's a real nice 3-on-1 break in video #6, around the :44 second mark. IGN also said that the fast breaks aren't fluid, but I think once we adjust a few sliders, the breaks will be OK. Even if their not, the game looks to have improved significantly in spacing, mid-range game, and the skating has been addressed, so personally, I can deal with toned down fast breaks...we'll see in a few days...don't worry yet."

                  Stupid, useless, waaahhh-you-hurt-my-feelings-by-being-negative-about-my-favorite-game-and/or-company response: Jesus H Christ...Why does everybody complain so much...these games can't be perfect....I'm not gonna come on these boards....why complain about fast breaks anyway, maybe EA didn't WANT fast breaks in the game...I'm so sick and tired of complaint threads....Wait, I'd better read one more.


                  Response #1. addresses poster A's issue. That, my friend, is a good thing, thats what OS is for. Response #2 chastises poster A for noticing something negative in the first place. Bad thing, that's fanboy 101. As long as poster A isn't trolling another thread with unneccesary, off-topic negativity(he didn't), and has an intelligent, legitamate concern(he did)...why should you care about what he's noticed?

                  You can EA-jock, and act like its all in our minds, but IGN saw the exact same thing, and guess what? The DO have the game. They HAVE played it. Now what?

                  Originally posted by IGN
                  One main point of contention deals with fast breaks. You might think you have a clear path to the basket, but the defenders are able to catch up too easily. This wouldn't be too bad if the defender simply trailed behind you or came from an angle and tried to make a Tayshaun Prince-like block on the ball -- that would keep with the whole theme of realistic flow. Instead, what happens is that the defender simply gets in your way and both of you stop, stopping the break, the scoring opportunity, and the flow all in one move.
                  Based on the videos, I'm still liking Live a little more...by a nose hair...and like I've said a bunch of times in BOTH forums, you have to play the game before you rush to judge...just lay off the high and mighty "how dare you post something negative" spiel. Just skip the OBVIOUS rants, and keep steppin'. Then everyone is happy, capisce?
                  Last edited by HMcCoy; 09-28-2004, 12:23 AM.
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                  • HMcCoy
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8212

                    #99
                    Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                    Originally posted by Pared
                    Close, but no cigar.

                    I didn't start a thread about it, I actually made a comment that was dead until brought up a day later. It was in jest, yet blown out of proportion. Some understood, others "couldn't grasp the joke."

                    The point then is the same now: You have to reserve judgement on a game until you have played it! That's all I've said in this thread about the comments: How it's ridiculous people are making these comments without even playing the game. How the game PLAYS is the key. Yet so many have already thrown the white flag and surrendered to EA.

                    It's like saying Live "couldn't be a sim" last year... b/c you played it out the box, or at your friend's house who had dunks at 100.

                    I don't know how to explain it anymore clearly to you, bro. You didn't "get it" then, and you don't "get it" now.

                    "Stupid is as stupid does..." That's cute. If wanting to reserve judgement to playing a game before I declare the sky is falling what makes me stupid, then I'm sure other OSer's are going to enjoy wallowing in their stupidity.</sob><sob>
                    </sob>

                    Pay attention.


                    Poster A: "Man the fast breaks SUCK...they don't exist. EA dropped the ball AGAIN...yada, yada, yada."

                    Constructive response: "There ARE a couple of nice fast breaks in the videos, man. There's a real nice 3-on-1 break in video #6, around the :44 second mark. IGN also said that the fast breaks aren't fluid, but I think once we adjust a few sliders, the breaks will be OK. Even if their not, the game looks to have improved significantly in spacing, mid-range game, and the skating has been addressed, so personally, I can deal with toned down fast breaks...we'll see in a few days...don't worry yet."

                    Stupid, useless, waaahhh-you-hurt-my-feelings-by-being-negative-about-my-favorite-game-and/or-company response: Jesus H Christ...Why does everybody complain so much...these games can't be perfect....I'm not gonna come on these boards....why complain about fast breaks anyway, maybe EA didn't WANT fast breaks in the game...I'm so sick and tired of complaint threads....Wait, I'd better read one more.


                    Response #1. addresses poster A's issue. That, my friend, is a good thing, thats what OS is for. Response #2 chastises poster A for noticing something negative in the first place. Bad thing, that's fanboy 101. As long as poster A isn't trolling another thread with unneccesary, off-topic negativity(he didn't), and has an intelligent, legitamate concern(he did)...why should you care about what he's noticed?

                    You can EA-jock, and act like its all in our minds, but IGN saw the exact same thing, and guess what? The DO have the game. They HAVE played it. Now what?

                    Originally posted by IGN
                    One main point of contention deals with fast breaks. You might think you have a clear path to the basket, but the defenders are able to catch up too easily. This wouldn't be too bad if the defender simply trailed behind you or came from an angle and tried to make a Tayshaun Prince-like block on the ball -- that would keep with the whole theme of realistic flow. Instead, what happens is that the defender simply gets in your way and both of you stop, stopping the break, the scoring opportunity, and the flow all in one move.
                    Based on the videos, I'm still liking Live a little more...by a nose hair...and like I've said a bunch of times in BOTH forums, you have to play the game before you rush to judge...just lay off the high and mighty "how dare you post something negative" spiel. Just skip the OBVIOUS rants, and keep steppin'. Then everyone is happy, capisce?
                    Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                    • POWERFORWARD
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 419

                      #100
                      Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                      Pared attacks ESPN 2K5 mercilously but now hes tired of nitpicking?

                      This whole site is about nitpicking btw.

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                        • Jun 2004
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                        #101
                        Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                        Pared attacks ESPN 2K5 mercilously but now hes tired of nitpicking?

                        This whole site is about nitpicking btw.

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #102
                          Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                          Originally posted by HMcCoy
                          yada, yada, yada...

                          You can EA-jock, and act like its all in our minds, but IGN saw the exact same thing, and guess what? The DO have the game. They HAVE played it. Now what?

                          Based on the videos, I'm still liking Live a little more...by a nose hair...and like I've said a bunch of times in BOTH forums, you have to play the game before you rush to judge...just lay off the high and mighty "how dare you post something negative" spiel. Just skip the OBVIOUS rants, and keep steppin'. Then everyone is happy, capisce?
                          Like I mentioned before, you just don't get it.

                          It's not about declaring the game broken b/c you realize it's not there. It's about doing so BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN PLAYED THE GAME.

                          You're going to quote IGN to prove your point?

                          WTF would I care what IGN thinks? I don't trust reviews at all, and any careful gamer is going to use their own judgement to make a decision. Not videos, not a review, not a friend, not a pimply faced geek from EB/Gamestop...

                          What's funny is, in your advice to "skip the obvious rants" you mention to keep steppin'. That's the same thing you should have done.
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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
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                            #103
                            Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                            Originally posted by HMcCoy
                            yada, yada, yada...

                            You can EA-jock, and act like its all in our minds, but IGN saw the exact same thing, and guess what? The DO have the game. They HAVE played it. Now what?

                            Based on the videos, I'm still liking Live a little more...by a nose hair...and like I've said a bunch of times in BOTH forums, you have to play the game before you rush to judge...just lay off the high and mighty "how dare you post something negative" spiel. Just skip the OBVIOUS rants, and keep steppin'. Then everyone is happy, capisce?
                            Like I mentioned before, you just don't get it.

                            It's not about declaring the game broken b/c you realize it's not there. It's about doing so BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN PLAYED THE GAME.

                            You're going to quote IGN to prove your point?

                            WTF would I care what IGN thinks? I don't trust reviews at all, and any careful gamer is going to use their own judgement to make a decision. Not videos, not a review, not a friend, not a pimply faced geek from EB/Gamestop...

                            What's funny is, in your advice to "skip the obvious rants" you mention to keep steppin'. That's the same thing you should have done.
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                            • Pared
                              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                              • Feb 2003
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                              #104
                              Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                              Originally posted by POWERFORWARD
                              Pared attacks ESPN 2K5 mercilously but now hes tired of nitpicking?

                              This whole site is about nitpicking btw.
                              Yeah, "death to ESPN..."

                              Good luck with that.
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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
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                                #105
                                Re: 3 Bad Things I've Noticed From Steve's Beta Vids...

                                Originally posted by POWERFORWARD
                                Pared attacks ESPN 2K5 mercilously but now hes tired of nitpicking?

                                This whole site is about nitpicking btw.
                                Yeah, "death to ESPN..."

                                Good luck with that.
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