Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

[ILLSmak]

Is in one-on-one match-ups. I used to like the live dribble stick (which to me is much more important than a 'shot stick'), but what they have done is just amazing. Maybe it's been in Live for awhile and I haven't really given it much attention until I bought this year's game, but is anyone else absolutely amazed at the amount of moves you can do with quickstrike?

I'm not gonna lie, there are some weird things and that same animation that seems to be in 2k, too, where you kind of slide off of someone. But, I mean, I was just doing the 'lockdown offense' scouting for my rookies and I noticed that you can push people off!

I dunno why but that was just so awesome. The whole being able to put pressure on the ball and rip someone if they make a stupid dribble, the ability to explode out of a triple threat (effectively) and the plethora of other moves and counters... it's just really awesome to me.

That, to me, is the basic reason why 2k will never compete with Live in online play. Yes, online play will always be a cheesy isolation dunkfest, but Live is geared towards that. The whole 'game' in Live is against your first defender. If you get past him, you are probably going to score. So, if you can get the steal or keep him from getting by you and force him into a jumper, you will be able to succeed. Also, it punishes gambling. In 2k you can gamble all day but the help defense will hold you down enough to keep you from really being punished.

Anyone else agree?

-Smak

[jtdribbles25]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

I agree with what you are saying regarding the one on one ability. the only problem for me is that I don't like that form of basketball..... I like using moves to free up space but have never liked all that live "freestyle", just one on one all day. I love the way you can use the moves here and free up space though, it's sweet. no 2k comparisons.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Reread your last paragraph. Yopu are basically saying the 2k series will never be better because it has good help defense.

I think you were on to something before that. The big problem with 2k9 is the default sliders. With the right sliders the one on one game is much more intense. Given that the game has file share and there has already been one slider update online I dont see the default sliders as that big of a flaw.

[bkrich83]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Reread your last paragraph. Yopu are basically saying the 2k series will never be better because it has good help defense.

I think you were on to something before that. The big problem with 2k9 is the default sliders. With the right sliders the one on one game is much more intense. Given that the game has file share and there has already been one slider update online I dont see the default sliders as that big of a flaw.

I completely disagree. But to each their own.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Reread your last paragraph. Yopu are basically saying the 2k series will never be better because it has good help defense.

^ I was saying that 2k will never be better as long as the computer (both on offense and defense) continues to cover up people's mistakes. That is making it computer controlled more than player vs player.

I've not seen anyone on Live playing off ball defense cuz that would be stupid...

-Smak

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Reread your last paragraph. Yopu are basically saying the 2k series will never be better because it has good help defense.

^ I was saying that 2k will never be better as long as the computer (both on offense and defense) continues to cover up people's mistakes. That is making it computer controlled more than player vs player.

I've not seen anyone on Live playing off ball defense cuz that would be stupid...

-Smak

Again your logic is incredible.
It’s the computer’s job to cover up for your mistakes. That is help defense. That is AI working. When people play off the ball it’s because they don’t trust the help defense so that’s a contradiction to what you just said. <O


In 2k9 the players have far more control and influence than the CPU. Most people who play off the ball will switch back and forth to adjust the shade and the pressure in hopes of funneling the player into a bad situation.

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

2k7 was heaven

college hoop 2k8 --- greatest sport game ever IMO

live 09 plays so well out the box its blows 2k9 away

on 2k9 you will need
coach sliders
game sliders
roster edits

before you could even stomach it for 1 quarter.......

live has balance out the box( some bugs and hiccups) but good bball..... all
around.

[Bumble14]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

2k7 was heaven

college hoop 2k8 --- greatest sport game ever IMO

live 09 plays so well out the box its blows 2k9 away

on 2k9 you will need
coach sliders
game sliders
roster edits

before you could even stomach it for 1 quarter.......

live has balance out the box( some bugs and hiccups) but good bball..... all
around.

COMPLETELY agree with everything you said. 2K7 was an outstanding game, as was CH2K8. My biggest gripes with NBA 2K8/2K9 is that the offensive spacing just isn't there on isolation plays- defenders just seem to stick to you. Now I'm not asking for a dunk fest, but out of the box it seems almost impossible to get proper spacing on offense.

The other issued I have with NBA 2K8/2K9 is that the isomotion system seems too dependent on cued animations vs player motions. In 2K7 I felt like I had unprecidented control over my offensive player- now I feel like unless I practice my moves for an hour I won't be able to implement them into a game- I feel as if human control was taken away from me, replaced by cued animations...and it drives me crazy.

I am liking Live 09 because it seems like the perfect mix of the NBA 2K7 game pace/spacing with NBA Live freestyle controls. The game has outstanding spacing, great player control, and very rarely do you lose control over your player. The move sets on offense and defense are very deep, and the game has a rewarding feeling for figuring out how to chain some of the tougher moves together.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Again your logic is incredible.
It’s the computer’s job to cover up for your mistakes. That is help defense. That is AI working. When people play off the ball it’s because they don’t trust the help defense so that’s a contradiction to what you just said.

^ lol. No, if the computer's job was to cover up for your mistakes that would make the game less competitive. The computer's job is to execute YOUR PLAN. They are supposed to do what you want them to do... ideally, you'd be able to put them into zones and such. Say "so and so stay in the lane." Having the computer cover for your mistakes means that if you pick the Celtics you will always win if the other person picks the Warriors. That's BS and worthless for competitive online gameplay. I just got my butt kicked online by team canada because the dude used ball movement and threes to keep me moving. I couldn't stop him. Team canada is rated 63. Team USA is 96. I accept my defeat. It hurts, but he beat me fair and square. That would never happen in 2k.


When I was talking about playing off ball, let me clarify, I am saying they do that because the AI defense is able to stick to you like a magnet. This is what happens also with the help defense. So, it's not that the defense is in the right spots per se, the defense is in the same spots as it is in Live. However, the problem is that the person being there is somehow super powered. Unless, of course, you are more super powered as a 101 rated Kobe or LeBron.

How many times in 2k have you faked someone up or got them out of position and either been stuck to them and not been able to get around them in time... or gone through the lane and ended up getting stuck to someone else? To me, it has happened plenty and I have played a bit of the 'next gen' 2k. That does not happen to me at all in Live.

To be honest, you try to point out the lack of logic in my posts, but moreso you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Further, you are obviously biased towards NBA 2k and I doubt you have played much NBA Live. You say Live blows 2k out of the water and you came in here to defend 2k. Sad, dude.

I know one thing, though, if someone wanted to play for money I'd want to play Live... because I'd know that my skill decided the game. Not the computer 'shot making' formula or the computer 'unshakeable' defense.

-Smak

[droopizzle34]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

In 2k9 the players have far more control and influence than the CPU. Most people who play off the ball will switch back and forth to adjust the shade and the pressure in hopes of funneling the player into a bad situation.

SOUNDS LIKE THE CELTIC'S DEFENSE AGAINST KOBE.

[mharlem]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Again your logic is incredible.
It’s the computer’s job to cover up for your mistakes. That is help defense. That is AI working. When people play off the ball it’s because they don’t trust the help defense so that’s a contradiction to what you just said.

^ lol. No, if the computer's job was to cover up for your mistakes that would make the game less competitive. The computer's job is to execute YOUR PLAN. They are supposed to do what you want them to do... ideally, you'd be able to put them into zones and such. Say "so and so stay in the lane." Having the computer cover for your mistakes means that if you pick the Celtics you will always win if the other person picks the Warriors. That's BS and worthless for competitive online gameplay. I just got my butt kicked online by team canada because the dude used ball movement and threes to keep me moving. I couldn't stop him. Team canada is rated 63. Team USA is 96. I accept my defeat. It hurts, but he beat me fair and square. That would never happen in 2k.


When I was talking about playing off ball, let me clarify, I am saying they do that because the AI defense is able to stick to you like a magnet. This is what happens also with the help defense. So, it's not that the defense is in the right spots per se, the defense is in the same spots as it is in Live. However, the problem is that the person being there is somehow super powered. Unless, of course, you are more super powered as a 101 rated Kobe or LeBron.

How many times in 2k have you faked someone up or got them out of position and either been stuck to them and not been able to get around them in time... or gone through the lane and ended up getting stuck to someone else? To me, it has happened plenty and I have played a bit of the 'next gen' 2k. That does not happen to me at all in Live.

To be honest, you try to point out the lack of logic in my posts, but moreso you are misunderstanding what I am saying. Further, you are obviously biased towards NBA 2k and I doubt you have played much NBA Live. You say Live blows 2k out of the water and you came in here to defend 2k. Sad, dude.

I know one thing, though, if someone wanted to play for money I'd want to play Live... because I'd know that my skill decided the game. Not the computer 'shot making' formula or the computer 'unshakeable' defense.

-Smak

I have 2 agree 100%

[kai123]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Live blows 2k with the players not sliding. The players actually planting their feet.

[escono15]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Snap! Sorry for coming in here. Im never coming back!

All I hear is 2K bashing and I was curious how LIVE has improved drasticaly this year but no ... its all bashing lols..

sorry.

[Alliball]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Snap! Sorry for coming in here. Im never coming back!

All I hear is 2K bashing and I was curious how LIVE has improved drasticaly this year but no ... its all bashing lols..

sorry.

How painfully ironic is this post? It's quite funny how some people can't handle it when the shoe is on the other foot.

[Earl1963]

Re: Where Live absolutely blows 2k out of the water:

Live has a more HD colorful look.
Controls are more user friendly.
Courts look better.

DNA should rock when the season starts and it should improve the game.