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  • Cincinnati_Kid
    L*rd *f th* M*n*t**s
    • Jul 2002
    • 804

    #166
    Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

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    neovsmatrix said:
    I already said sales have very little to do with the quality of the game. Drop it, it's not a valid argument. Even if it were, I doubt you could provide hard facts as to the sales of Id 2003 and the NBA 2k series when it was on the Dreamcast. There are a lot of factors you'd have to take into account, so it's not even worth getting into.

    Why are you even debating the merits of Live, ID, and NBA 2k right now? We can get into this when the titles come out. Fact is, it's been done to death already, and I'm sick of it.

    If you believe NBA 2k's better, that's your right. That doesn't mean anything to me, because I obviously don't hold the same opinion. I MAY hold that opinion when the new games are released, but right now I don't.

    I liked ID 2003 better than any b-ball game so far. It has a great player editor that lets you edit player tendencies and make it play like its real life counterpart, or at least very close to it. Its off-the-ball movement is fantastic, as well as the adjustments it makes on offense and defense.

    Granted, there are a few things missing in this game, such as fouls in the paint, more fouls in general, tougher D in the post, the passing is too accurate which hurts whatever good D there is.

    I'd rather High Voltage fix these things than add extraneous features. I'd prefer better gameplay over better graphics. But then again, I'm not a shallow gamer, I buy my games to play them, not just look at them.





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    Amen.....neo knows his stuff when it comes to basketball

    i for one share many of his opinions even if i dont articulate them as well

    in my opinion neo is to basketball games

    as hrudley32 is to hockey games

    look as forward to your impressions this year neo as i do to the actual basketball games themselves

    .................................................. ...............
    NFL : Cincinnati Bengals & Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    MLB : Reds & Devil Rays
    NCAA : The Ohio State Buckeyes

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    • Cincinnati_Kid
      L*rd *f th* M*n*t**s
      • Jul 2002
      • 804

      #167
      Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

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      [b][i]
      Either you like it or not. Either you understand the significance of Antoine Walker touching the ball a lot in the C's offense and roving the court a tonne (ID) or Antoine Walker playing the exact same as every other PF (2K3) or you don't...

      Either you understand the significance of Reggie Miller coming off screens all day (ID) or Reggie simply playing pick and roll and crossovers like evetry other SG (2K3) or you don't.

      It's that simple. If you don't have a farking clue what I am getting at talking about specific players tendancies in ID, you never will...




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      BINGO....we have a winner

      nice analogies monk
      .................................................. ...............
      NFL : Cincinnati Bengals & Tampa Bay Buccaneers
      MLB : Reds & Devil Rays
      NCAA : The Ohio State Buckeyes

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      • Cincinnati_Kid
        L*rd *f th* M*n*t**s
        • Jul 2002
        • 804

        #168
        Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

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        [b][i]
        Either you like it or not. Either you understand the significance of Antoine Walker touching the ball a lot in the C's offense and roving the court a tonne (ID) or Antoine Walker playing the exact same as every other PF (2K3) or you don't...

        Either you understand the significance of Reggie Miller coming off screens all day (ID) or Reggie simply playing pick and roll and crossovers like evetry other SG (2K3) or you don't.

        It's that simple. If you don't have a farking clue what I am getting at talking about specific players tendancies in ID, you never will...




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        BINGO....we have a winner

        nice analogies monk
        .................................................. ...............
        NFL : Cincinnati Bengals & Tampa Bay Buccaneers
        MLB : Reds & Devil Rays
        NCAA : The Ohio State Buckeyes

        Comment

        • Cincinnati_Kid
          L*rd *f th* M*n*t**s
          • Jul 2002
          • 804

          #169
          Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          [b][i]
          Either you like it or not. Either you understand the significance of Antoine Walker touching the ball a lot in the C's offense and roving the court a tonne (ID) or Antoine Walker playing the exact same as every other PF (2K3) or you don't...

          Either you understand the significance of Reggie Miller coming off screens all day (ID) or Reggie simply playing pick and roll and crossovers like evetry other SG (2K3) or you don't.

          It's that simple. If you don't have a farking clue what I am getting at talking about specific players tendancies in ID, you never will...




          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


          BINGO....we have a winner

          nice analogies monk
          .................................................. ...............
          NFL : Cincinnati Bengals & Tampa Bay Buccaneers
          MLB : Reds & Devil Rays
          NCAA : The Ohio State Buckeyes

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          • jmood88
            Sean Payton: Retribution
            • Jul 2003
            • 34639

            #170
            Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

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            Cincinnati_Kid said:
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            neovsmatrix said:
            I already said sales have very little to do with the quality of the game. Drop it, it's not a valid argument. Even if it were, I doubt you could provide hard facts as to the sales of Id 2003 and the NBA 2k series when it was on the Dreamcast. There are a lot of factors you'd have to take into account, so it's not even worth getting into.

            Why are you even debating the merits of Live, ID, and NBA 2k right now? We can get into this when the titles come out. Fact is, it's been done to death already, and I'm sick of it.

            If you believe NBA 2k's better, that's your right. That doesn't mean anything to me, because I obviously don't hold the same opinion. I MAY hold that opinion when the new games are released, but right now I don't.

            I liked ID 2003 better than any b-ball game so far. It has a great player editor that lets you edit player tendencies and make it play like its real life counterpart, or at least very close to it. Its off-the-ball movement is fantastic, as well as the adjustments it makes on offense and defense.

            Granted, there are a few things missing in this game, such as fouls in the paint, more fouls in general, tougher D in the post, the passing is too accurate which hurts whatever good D there is.

            I'd rather High Voltage fix these things than add extraneous features. I'd prefer better gameplay over better graphics. But then again, I'm not a shallow gamer, I buy my games to play them, not just look at them.





            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Amen.....neo knows his stuff when it comes to basketball

            i for one share many of his opinions even if i dont articulate them as well

            in my opinion neo is to basketball games

            as hrudley32 is to hockey games

            look as forward to your impressions this year neo as i do to the actual basketball games themselves



            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Neo does know basketball. The things I don't agree with him are that inside drive was the best and that graphics and stuff don't matter. Otherwise he knows what he's talking about for the most part.
            Originally posted by Blzer
            Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

            If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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            • jmood88
              Sean Payton: Retribution
              • Jul 2003
              • 34639

              #171
              Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

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              Cincinnati_Kid said:
              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              neovsmatrix said:
              I already said sales have very little to do with the quality of the game. Drop it, it's not a valid argument. Even if it were, I doubt you could provide hard facts as to the sales of Id 2003 and the NBA 2k series when it was on the Dreamcast. There are a lot of factors you'd have to take into account, so it's not even worth getting into.

              Why are you even debating the merits of Live, ID, and NBA 2k right now? We can get into this when the titles come out. Fact is, it's been done to death already, and I'm sick of it.

              If you believe NBA 2k's better, that's your right. That doesn't mean anything to me, because I obviously don't hold the same opinion. I MAY hold that opinion when the new games are released, but right now I don't.

              I liked ID 2003 better than any b-ball game so far. It has a great player editor that lets you edit player tendencies and make it play like its real life counterpart, or at least very close to it. Its off-the-ball movement is fantastic, as well as the adjustments it makes on offense and defense.

              Granted, there are a few things missing in this game, such as fouls in the paint, more fouls in general, tougher D in the post, the passing is too accurate which hurts whatever good D there is.

              I'd rather High Voltage fix these things than add extraneous features. I'd prefer better gameplay over better graphics. But then again, I'm not a shallow gamer, I buy my games to play them, not just look at them.





              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Amen.....neo knows his stuff when it comes to basketball

              i for one share many of his opinions even if i dont articulate them as well

              in my opinion neo is to basketball games

              as hrudley32 is to hockey games

              look as forward to your impressions this year neo as i do to the actual basketball games themselves



              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Neo does know basketball. The things I don't agree with him are that inside drive was the best and that graphics and stuff don't matter. Otherwise he knows what he's talking about for the most part.
              Originally posted by Blzer
              Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

              If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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              • jmood88
                Sean Payton: Retribution
                • Jul 2003
                • 34639

                #172
                Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                Cincinnati_Kid said:
                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                neovsmatrix said:
                I already said sales have very little to do with the quality of the game. Drop it, it's not a valid argument. Even if it were, I doubt you could provide hard facts as to the sales of Id 2003 and the NBA 2k series when it was on the Dreamcast. There are a lot of factors you'd have to take into account, so it's not even worth getting into.

                Why are you even debating the merits of Live, ID, and NBA 2k right now? We can get into this when the titles come out. Fact is, it's been done to death already, and I'm sick of it.

                If you believe NBA 2k's better, that's your right. That doesn't mean anything to me, because I obviously don't hold the same opinion. I MAY hold that opinion when the new games are released, but right now I don't.

                I liked ID 2003 better than any b-ball game so far. It has a great player editor that lets you edit player tendencies and make it play like its real life counterpart, or at least very close to it. Its off-the-ball movement is fantastic, as well as the adjustments it makes on offense and defense.

                Granted, there are a few things missing in this game, such as fouls in the paint, more fouls in general, tougher D in the post, the passing is too accurate which hurts whatever good D there is.

                I'd rather High Voltage fix these things than add extraneous features. I'd prefer better gameplay over better graphics. But then again, I'm not a shallow gamer, I buy my games to play them, not just look at them.





                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Amen.....neo knows his stuff when it comes to basketball

                i for one share many of his opinions even if i dont articulate them as well

                in my opinion neo is to basketball games

                as hrudley32 is to hockey games

                look as forward to your impressions this year neo as i do to the actual basketball games themselves



                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Neo does know basketball. The things I don't agree with him are that inside drive was the best and that graphics and stuff don't matter. Otherwise he knows what he's talking about for the most part.
                Originally posted by Blzer
                Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

                Comment

                • ForTheCity
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 113

                  #173
                  Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Believe that if you want to.

                  You clearly have the mind of a juvenile, so there's no reasoning with you here.

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  If you cant hold a debate without throwing insults around, then I feel sorry for you.

                  Stop catching feelings on a computer.

                  Also...keep in mind that it is a VIDEO GAME.

                  Its main purpose its ENTERTAINMENT....there has to be something else besides just gameplay to use for a selling point.

                  If you want the realest gameplay...go try out for an NBA team. I want to play video games.

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                  • ForTheCity
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 113

                    #174
                    Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Believe that if you want to.

                    You clearly have the mind of a juvenile, so there's no reasoning with you here.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    If you cant hold a debate without throwing insults around, then I feel sorry for you.

                    Stop catching feelings on a computer.

                    Also...keep in mind that it is a VIDEO GAME.

                    Its main purpose its ENTERTAINMENT....there has to be something else besides just gameplay to use for a selling point.

                    If you want the realest gameplay...go try out for an NBA team. I want to play video games.

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                    • ForTheCity
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 113

                      #175
                      Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Believe that if you want to.

                      You clearly have the mind of a juvenile, so there's no reasoning with you here.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      If you cant hold a debate without throwing insults around, then I feel sorry for you.

                      Stop catching feelings on a computer.

                      Also...keep in mind that it is a VIDEO GAME.

                      Its main purpose its ENTERTAINMENT....there has to be something else besides just gameplay to use for a selling point.

                      If you want the realest gameplay...go try out for an NBA team. I want to play video games.

                      Comment

                      • HMcCoy
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8212

                        #176
                        Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                        All that huffin' and puffin' and still NO ANSWER TO WHAT MONKEY SAID ABOUT WALKER AND MILLER.


                        HMMMMMMMMM...Why is that?

                        Because even the most hardcore graphic whore had to admit that as beautiful 2K3 was, unless you have the basketball acumen of a middle schooler, the gameplay was repetitive.

                        ID isn't all "sparkly" and "shiny" for the children. Its meat and potatoes basketball for fans of realism outside of sweaty player models.

                        Like Monkey said most kids don't want to see it or just can't. The significance of a solid real-world B-ball dosn't register to most casual fans. Y'all ***-hats are the same ones who made VC the top vote-getter even though he hadn't done crap last year. Same shallow know-nothings make LIVE the best seller by 3 to 1. You should see how hype these kids get when the And 1 tour comes to town. Off the ball movement? Good spacing? Forcing a defender to the off hand if he drives to often? Feh.

                        And BTW thats just my opinion.
                        Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                        • HMcCoy
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8212

                          #177
                          Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                          All that huffin' and puffin' and still NO ANSWER TO WHAT MONKEY SAID ABOUT WALKER AND MILLER.


                          HMMMMMMMMM...Why is that?

                          Because even the most hardcore graphic whore had to admit that as beautiful 2K3 was, unless you have the basketball acumen of a middle schooler, the gameplay was repetitive.

                          ID isn't all "sparkly" and "shiny" for the children. Its meat and potatoes basketball for fans of realism outside of sweaty player models.

                          Like Monkey said most kids don't want to see it or just can't. The significance of a solid real-world B-ball dosn't register to most casual fans. Y'all ***-hats are the same ones who made VC the top vote-getter even though he hadn't done crap last year. Same shallow know-nothings make LIVE the best seller by 3 to 1. You should see how hype these kids get when the And 1 tour comes to town. Off the ball movement? Good spacing? Forcing a defender to the off hand if he drives to often? Feh.

                          And BTW thats just my opinion.
                          Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                          • HMcCoy
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8212

                            #178
                            Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                            All that huffin' and puffin' and still NO ANSWER TO WHAT MONKEY SAID ABOUT WALKER AND MILLER.


                            HMMMMMMMMM...Why is that?

                            Because even the most hardcore graphic whore had to admit that as beautiful 2K3 was, unless you have the basketball acumen of a middle schooler, the gameplay was repetitive.

                            ID isn't all "sparkly" and "shiny" for the children. Its meat and potatoes basketball for fans of realism outside of sweaty player models.

                            Like Monkey said most kids don't want to see it or just can't. The significance of a solid real-world B-ball dosn't register to most casual fans. Y'all ***-hats are the same ones who made VC the top vote-getter even though he hadn't done crap last year. Same shallow know-nothings make LIVE the best seller by 3 to 1. You should see how hype these kids get when the And 1 tour comes to town. Off the ball movement? Good spacing? Forcing a defender to the off hand if he drives to often? Feh.

                            And BTW thats just my opinion.
                            Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                            • ForTheCity
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 113

                              #179
                              Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              ID isn't all "sparkly" and "shiny" for the children. Its meat and potatoes basketball for fans of realism outside of sweaty player models.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Yeah...okay. Thats all fine and dandy.

                              But the objective of them making the game in the fisr place is for it to SELL. For it to appeal to all users of the game. Maybe you arent realizing that...

                              And by the way...

                              Not being able to pass out of layups is not realism.
                              Elite ballhandlers like AI, T-Mac, Kobe doing 5th grade crossovers is not realism.
                              Walking into Alley-Oops is not realism
                              180 MPH Spin Moves is not realism
                              Being able to use the same post move to score everytime is not realism
                              Getting called for charges when you make the slightest contact with a defender is not realism
                              The cardboard crowd is not realism



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                              • ForTheCity
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 113

                                #180
                                Re: Looks like Inside Drive 2004 will once again hold the title for be

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                ID isn't all "sparkly" and "shiny" for the children. Its meat and potatoes basketball for fans of realism outside of sweaty player models.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Yeah...okay. Thats all fine and dandy.

                                But the objective of them making the game in the fisr place is for it to SELL. For it to appeal to all users of the game. Maybe you arent realizing that...

                                And by the way...

                                Not being able to pass out of layups is not realism.
                                Elite ballhandlers like AI, T-Mac, Kobe doing 5th grade crossovers is not realism.
                                Walking into Alley-Oops is not realism
                                180 MPH Spin Moves is not realism
                                Being able to use the same post move to score everytime is not realism
                                Getting called for charges when you make the slightest contact with a defender is not realism
                                The cardboard crowd is not realism



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