Nash Is Still The MVP In My Eyes...

[cima]

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I think Wilt would be able to do his thing today. He would have access to state of the art workout equipment and his mentality wouldve drove him even further.

Amare would have no chance in hell back in the 80's....all MEN played back then, no boys.

You can't be serious. The only reason he put those kind of numbers up is because other centers were 6'7" back then. No way in hell he puts up those numbers in today's league.

And your second statement is just ridiculous. Amare is as manly as they come.

[poster]

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So? That doesn't mean anything. Magic may be able to go off on Nash but the Suns can neutralize everyone else on the court, except maybe Kareem. Amare would have a field day against anyone, the Lakers are no exception. It would be a lot closer than you're thinking it would be.

My word, you must have taken that loss Sunday hard. This Suns team that hasn't even been to the finals could match up with one of the best teams ever? Comparing Nash to Magic is a joke.

[poster]

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Do you even watch Amare play? He plays with no fear, he would be just as dominant in the 80s as he is today. In the 80s you can't zone him. A zone can't stop Amare, what makes you think the one on one play of the 80s will stop him? Amare would knock them right back on their *** if they dared knock him down. He's 6'10" 250 lbs, not exactly a small guy. How old are you? You sound like one of those old people that thinks their generation is better, when it's not. Different game, different era. What are you like 60? Do you think Wilt Chamberlain could average 25 RPG in today's league too?

Wilt was stronger in his day than Shaq is in this day and age and you dont think he could avergae 25 today? Are you playing or what?

[billmatic]

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Comparing Nash to Magic is a joke.

pretty much.

[EZ Snappin]

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You can't be serious. The only reason he put those kind of numbers up is because other centers were 6'7" back then. No way in hell he puts up those numbers in today's league.

And your second statement is just ridiculous. Amare is as manly as they come.

Jimmy, just a recommendation - calm down. Before history comes and bites you in the butt again, I suggest you read up a bit or watch a few old games. In the 80's they double teamed all the time - you just couldn't cheat off your guy towards someone without the ball. Watch an old Celtics-Lakers game - Bird and McHale constantly drop down when Kareem or Magic had the ball in the post. Defense required much better basketball IQ then - because of the illegal defense technical you had to be constantly aware of all spacing and assignments for both your man and every other man on the court.

Another thing was hard fouls - you only got one strong trip to the rack; every subsequent trip ended with you on the ground. It forced big men to know how to shoot, not just jump and dunk.

As far as Wilt - you need to understand that he was ungodly on the floor against plenty of big tough bruisers. They changed rules to make it harder for him - three second call anyone?[EDIT]Plus they widened the lane[END EDIT] Wilt once was talking at an event with Jordan and said to him something along the lines of "You can't be the best - they changed rules to make it harder for me while they changed rules like palming and hand checking to make it easier on you." Wilt spoke the truth.

None of this takes away from just how good Amare is. He is a beast in the current NBA - the only one he'll ever play in. Most people feel he would have to change a good chunk of his game to succeed in prior years, just as a McHale or Wilt would have to adapt to some of the current style. All would be successful in any era, just not maybe to the extent they were in theirs.

[Kashanova]

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a guy who avg 50 points a game back then can surely do at least 20 points in this age

[SonicMage]

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Anyway what makes you think Chauncey Billups or Elton Brand are any more marketable than Steve Nash is?

Because basketball is dominated by hip-hop culture. The canadians have spent all their money on hockey gear.

[cima]

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Wilt was stronger in his day than Shaq is in this day and age and you dont think he could avergae 25 today? Are you playing or what?

No way in hell dude. FYI I said 25 REBOUNDS per game not points if that's what you're thinking. Wilt was 7'1" 275 lbs, definitely not stronger than Shaq.

[cima]

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Jimmy, just a recommendation - calm down. Before history comes and bites you in the butt again, I suggest you read up a bit or watch a few old games. In the 80's they double teamed all the time - you just couldn't cheat off your guy towards someone without the ball. Watch an old Celtics-Lakers game - Bird and McHale constantly drop down when Kareem or Magic had the ball in the post. Defense required much better basketball IQ then - because of the illegal defense technical you had to be constantly aware of all spacing and assignments for both your man and every other man on the court.

Another thing was hard fouls - you only got one strong trip to the rack; every subsequent trip ended with you on the ground. It forced big men to know how to shoot, not just jump and dunk.

As far as Wilt - you need to understand that he was ungodly on the floor against plenty of big tough bruisers. They changed rules to make it harder for him - three second call anyone?[EDIT]Plus they widened the lane[END EDIT] Wilt once was talking at an event with Jordan and said to him something along the lines of "You can't be the best - they changed rules to make it harder for me while they changed rules like palming and hand checking to make it easier on you." Wilt spoke the truth.

None of this takes away from just how good Amare is. He is a beast in the current NBA - the only one he'll ever play in. Most people feel he would have to change a good chunk of his game to succeed in prior years, just as a McHale or Wilt would have to adapt to some of the current style. All would be successful in any era, just not maybe to the extent they were in theirs.

Yes I'm aware of the 80s style of play, I've seen many games on ESPN classic. Believe it or not, Amare doesn't just dunk. He's got a nice midrange jumper and a little jump hook that no one can stop. If anything, Amare would probably be more dominant in the 80s. Amare shot about 75% from the FT line too, he knows how to shoot.

[cima]

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Because basketball is dominated by hip-hop culture. The canadians have spent all their money on hockey gear.

Billups and Brand don't exactly have any street cred, not to mention Billups is probably the second ugliest player in the NBA. Nash is just as marketable as those two.

[Vince]

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So, the question remains is it the change in uniform that has benefited him or is his game just now being appreciated by those who crucified him for things they said he couldn't do in Dallas?

Both. D'Antoni's system is perfect for his skills.

[Air23]

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Yes I'm aware of the 80s style of play, I've seen many games on ESPN classic. Believe it or not, Amare doesn't just dunk. He's got a nice midrange jumper and a little jump hook that no one can stop. If anything, Amare would probably be more dominant in the 80s. Amare shot about 75% from the FT line too, he knows how to shoot.

I can tell you right now, there is no player today that would be more dominant in the 80's. Like Clay said, they have it much easier today than players in the 80's did. These kids are soft and spoiled from that crap, and would get ate up if they played back then.

[TheMatrix31]

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You know, I tend to stay away from threads involving my favorite team....but I'll make my opinion short and sweet.

- Nash is still the MVP.

- Amare is a BEAST, he can hang with the big boys, 100%. Malone, Barkley, McHale, he'll hang with em all. He's a physical force, who has a lot of finesse which is only being refined day by day. He JUST turned 23, people. To call him a boy is ridiculous and disrespectful.

- To try and say the Suns team now can contend with those classic Lakers teams is a stretch.

- When does Amare benefit from soft and whistle happy play? The guy gets NO calls.


- Just because Phoenix lost in the WCF to the Spurs does not negate how he abused Tim Duncan, the best player in the league.

- Amare and Nash were the only players to show up in the Spurs series. They can get the guys the shots, which they did, but they cant make them make 'em.

- When does Amare benefit from soft and whistle happy play? The guy gets NO calls.



And to all of you old-timers....before you start insulting my knowledge of the game, as it is now and as it was back then, let me just say this. I may be only 18, but I've watched basketball since I was 4, and even now I try to watch as much old game footage as possible to increase my understanding, so dont tell me that I dont know what I'm talking about, because I think I know more than the average 18 year old about basketball

[Air23]

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You're right about everything...

...except saying Amare would hang with Barkley, Malone and McHale. I like Amare (and contrary to what it may seem, I like Nash,too), but them big boys from the 80's would take the kid to school.

[TheMatrix31]

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I honestly dont think so. I think he's built like a machine and performs like one. He has that passion and work ethic that makes it obvious he'd be able to.

I mean we'll never see it but I honestly think he could hold his own.