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  • GSW
    Simnation
    • Feb 2003
    • 8041

    #31
    Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

    Originally posted by billmatic
    Yes, I saw him play at Xavier as well. My point was just that his breakout year just happens to coincide with the arrival of Chris Paul, so saying Paul has such a good supporting cast because of how good West is, is a bit of a circular argument.
    Oh I agree, CP3 doesnt have a good supporting cast at all which is why were even discussing him as MVP consideration.
    #Simnation

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    • Rocky
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 6896

      #32
      Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

      Originally posted by GoldenstWarrior
      Im sorry btu we must have different views of what a MVP really is.

      I always thought MVP's get theres and bring the most out of there teamtes and team, which is one of the major reasons steve nash won last year.

      And im sorry but if youd liek to bring kobes teasm vs chris team comparisons we can take it to the kobe thread....

      Once again im not saying hes winning the MVP. I'm just saying consideration has to be given IMO, especially looking at the team (HORRIBLE), and what hes getting them to do.

      And please lets try not to forget about Lebron James
      I didn't say anything specifically about Kobe, in fact what I said about Kobe or KG can be said with stars on .500 teams--Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, AI, etc.

      Paul is the key ingredient to that team but he plays on a well-balanced, athletic team. Nash's team last year had the best record in the NBA. The Hornets are really nothing more than a .500 ball club....good considering where they were last year but really nobody on a .500 ball club should get MVP consideration unless you put up gaudy numbers like Kobe's 36 ppg or AI last year averaging 30 points and 7 assists per game.
      "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
      -Rocky Balboa

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #33
        Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

        just because somebody brings up "kobe" that doesn't mean it needs to go into the god awful kobe thread. plus the title of the thread is "who are your mvp canidates", so imo kobe is a canidate, so his name belongs in this thread.. i was simply comparing paul and kobe because their teams have identical records. and those records aren't nearly good enough for either of them to win the award. however they are canidates yes..

        trust me kobe does belong in this discussion, by the time the season ends, if kobe's teammates can finally hit their WIDEOPEN shots off double teams the lakers will have a very respectable record. if the lakers don't allow 50% shooting on road trips they will have a respectable record. kobe would be a lock for mvp right now if his teammates converted their looks because their record would be comparable to the clippers.
        Last edited by ex carrabba fan; 02-05-2006, 02:43 PM.

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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #34
          Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

          also, goldenstwarrior, i don't know who you were talking to, but nobody is forgetting about lebron. you can look through the thread pretty much everybody has him mentioned.

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          • Pointguard
            MVP
            • Jun 2005
            • 2977

            #35
            Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

            Originally posted by Flyboy
            Too bad J.R. is in Byron's doghouse and hasn't helped the Hornets at ALL this year. Hell, I hear he's even on the trading block.
            JR Smith wasn't anything special last year. He scored 10 ppg on horrible shooting, couldnt handle the ball, and did nothing else to help his team. He was a chunker and still is a chunker. Oh and he can dunk. Opps...


            As far as the MVP race, I got...

            1. Chanuncey Billups
            2. Dirk Nowitzki
            3. Steve Nash
            4. LeBron James
            5. Elton Brand

            Others: Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul

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            • WilliamWilliamson
              Pro
              • Nov 2005
              • 690

              #36
              Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

              1. Steve Nash
              2. EB42
              3. Dirk
              4. Billups

              I think those are the clearcut top 4 and I feel it's basically a toss-up between the 4. This is one where it's not obvious at all who should win, not at this point at least.

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              • Pem
                Rookie
                • Aug 2002
                • 162

                #37
                Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                If the season were to end today, I'm guessing the top 5 would be in this order:

                1) Steve Nash (easily - losing Amare was the best thing that has happened to his MVP chances (sounds really wierd to say that)).
                2) Chauncey Billups
                3) Elton Brand (should be #2, oh well)
                4) Employee #8
                5) LeBron (only if CLE makes the playoffs though (his FT% is borderline embarrassing))

                What about most improved player?
                1) David West
                2) Chris Kaman
                3) Alonzo Mourning (everyone loves the feel-good vote)
                4) T.J. Ford
                5) Wally Szczerbiak (starting to trail off...)
                6) Sam Cassell (should get consideration, but won't)

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                • SoMiss2000
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 20499

                  #38
                  Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                  Dirk Nowitski, always ignored. I know he needs to do it in the playoffs but he should be starting in the All-Star game.
                  Last edited by SoMiss2000; 02-07-2006, 05:13 PM.
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                  • TheMatrix31
                    RF
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 52908

                    #39
                    Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                    Pem, where is Boris Diaw on your Most Improved list?!

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                    • Pem
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 162

                      #40
                      Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                      Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                      Pem, where is Boris Diaw on your Most Improved list?!
                      At #1 of course. Curses to me for leaving off Boris.

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                      • goh
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 20755

                        #41
                        Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                        I consider team success so Kobe and Paul won't be on my list.

                        1. Dirk
                        2. Wade
                        3. Nash
                        4. Brand
                        5. Rip

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                        • Vince
                          Bow for Bau
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26017

                          #42
                          Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                          Originally posted by Pointguard
                          JR Smith wasn't anything special last year. He scored 10 ppg on horrible shooting, couldnt handle the ball, and did nothing else to help his team. He was a chunker and still is a chunker. Oh and he can dunk. Opps...


                          As far as the MVP race, I got...

                          1. Chanuncey Billups
                          2. Dirk Nowitzki
                          3. Steve Nash
                          4. LeBron James
                          5. Elton Brand

                          Others: Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul
                          Yeah, JR is overrated all throughout the bball spectrum.
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                          • HMcCoy
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8212

                            #43
                            Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                            Originally posted by Pem
                            5) LeBron (only if CLE makes the playoffs though (his FT% is borderline embarrassing))
                            74% is embarrassing?
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                            • GSW
                              Simnation
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 8041

                              #44
                              Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                              Mccoy, dont mind Pem hes a ***** and a clipper fanboy
                              #Simnation

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                              • EWRMETS
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 7491

                                #45
                                Re: Who are your MVP canidates up to now...

                                1) Nash
                                2) Brand
                                3) Dirk
                                4) Kobe
                                5) Bron

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