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  • Blue_Monkey
    MVP
    • Oct 2002
    • 1107

    #91
    Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

    The reason why it's so obvious in NBA is because in a game of basketball many points are scored. So it's a bit different to be a star guard in bball than a star forward in hockey. Individuals affect the game more in bball than in hockey.

    The star treatment is ok otherwise but that has to be the reason to the runs that seem to always happen and make the game exciting. If everything else is fair, IMO games could be played in 15 minutes.

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    • Padgoi

      #92
      Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

      Lakerfan, I agree with you. I also think one of the reasons why refs don't make calls in home arenas against star players is because they are intimidated by how the crowd might react if one of their players gets hit with a questionable foul. But doesn't that contribute to "fixiing" scores? Either they need more security at arenas so the refs aren't intimidated or they need refs with balls who will make calls regardless of where the game is played. But I still think that there are plenty of times when higher NBA execs tell the refs how to call a certain game, especially come playoff time.

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #93
        Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
        o by the way, if that fould was called, and bibby got to shoot freethrows, lakers would still have a 2 or 3 point lead and the win


        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> This is no reason not to call a clear, blatant, intentional flagrant foul.

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        • Freelance
          Banned
          • Jul 2002
          • 7021

          #94
          Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

          Well, if that's all it takes to offend you, then.....good luck with all that.

          No offense intended.

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          • NYJets
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 18637

            #95
            Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

            Padgoi, a couple of things. First off, some people agreeing with your opinion, doesn't make it right.

            2nd, not one person has agreed with your original post. You said basketball was fixed. There is a big difference between star treatment and the sport being fixed. If it was fixed, the guys who are fixing it would have one team, that no matter what would win. That just doesn't happen. Maybe there ia favorism with the refs, but no way are games outcomes decided before the game, and that is what fixed means
            Originally posted by Jay Bilas
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            • Padgoi

              #96
              Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

              Hold on Jetsfan (by the way, nice name, I live in NY), first of all, some people agreeing doesn't make it right. But some people not agreeing doesn't make it wrong. The thread was started so we could all get some feedback as to whether the public feels basketball is fixed.
              Secondly, the word fixed is a generalization. It can mean many things. The post just went in the direction of crooked refs. I said basketball may be fixed. Not once did I say players do not try or scores are predetermined. All I said was is basketball fixed. I do not think the score of games is predetermined. However, I do feel that (1) referees give star players preferential treatment and (2) from playing a lot of basketball, I feel that sometimes referees may give the home-team favorable calls. I also feel that it is coincidental how almost every team that is down by a certain margin always makes a comeback. Maybe it's legit, who am I to say it's not. I am merely expressing my opinion. But it is undeniable that referees give star players and home teams favorable calls, and that can be considered "fixed." Just because the score is not predetermined doesnt mean it's not fixed one way or the other. You are taking the word fixed to be too specific. Fixed does not have to mean predetermined. If the NBA execs say "give star players favorable calls," isn't that considered "fixing"? Any time anybody is given an unfair advantage that takes away from the competitive nature of the game, it can be considered fixing. Don't think of the word fixed as only having one preset definition. And if I confused anyone, I apologize. But the point is, we have sparked a debate and this is what this website is all about. Well, that and video game reviews.

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              • Padgoi

                #97
                Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                So what can the NBA do to stop this from happening? What can they do so the referees are not intimidated from making a certain call at a certain arena?

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                • sense
                  Pro
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 591

                  #98
                  Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                  Padgoi, Have you ever played basketball before???? street, organized???? this is the most ridiculous question i've ever heard!!! Anybody you know who really plays ball will tell you : basketball is a game of spurts. On any level teams always goes on runs. Just because a team goes on a 18-2 run the game is fixed??? Come on dog. I got an idea, play a pick-up game(5-on-5) up to 11 then, count the amount of runs are in that game, then think about the question you put on this board.
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                  • sense
                    Pro
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 591

                    #99
                    Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                    I'mma break it down for you. 99 PERCENT OF THE TIME THE REFS WILL NOT COST YOU THE GAME PERIOD!!!!!!! Is there star treatment: YES is there bad calls: YES is there bad refs: YES. Think what you saying before writing your post dog. Theres bad refs but don't get that confused with fixed games. Thats two totally diffrent things you are saying. Sure refs will blow a game once every blue moon. BUT TEAMS HOLD THERE OWN DESTINY. And with the star treatment other players have to adjust. Regular players know this. Refs get itimadated by star players thats why they give them calls. Just think, when Kobe, Tracy, and Jermaine O'Neal were rookies did they get those calls??? HELL NO. As they got better they became stars,They got more popular, Now refs have to make those calls or there gonna hear it. NEXT TIME YOU DO A POST BE CLEAR WHAT POINT YOUR TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
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                    • khensu
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 86

                      #100
                      Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                      I couldnt aggree with you more (Sense), you nailed in on the head....

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                      • Padgoi

                        #101
                        Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                        To all the punkasses who keep dissing me regarding this post, the only reason I started this thread was to spark a controversy, which I did. Secondly, you are a little late, DAWG (not dog, jerkoff). This conversation was over 2 days ago. Thirdly, I don't think the scores are fixed or anything like that. I think there are some bad refs, and apparently, if you read the above posts, many people agree with me. So go back to the rock that you crawled out from under.

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                        • khensu
                          Rookie
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 86

                          #102
                          Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                          Wow, such hostilities. Was all that really necessary. I think I betta leave this one alone, its way to volatile.

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                          • Blue_Monkey
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 1107

                            #103
                            Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
                            Wow, such hostilities. Was all that really necessary. I think I betta leave this one alone, its way to volatile.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Quickly before zi germans get here.

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                            • Blue_Monkey
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 1107

                              #104
                              Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                              Btw, this discussion isn't about fixed bball anymore, it's moved 100% to ref talk. Of which IMO the refs aren't crooked, they wok for the league...

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                              • wwharton
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 26949

                                #105
                                Re: Is Basketball Fixed?

                                honestly padgoi (and please don't jump on me b/c i'm not going to attack you like some have) you have been backtracking. My response to some of the things in this thread would be in agreement.

                                stars get more calls. it's a combination of things. first, stars are better at doing things they are known for being good at. so when you win defensive player of the year if a ref doesn't see whether you smacked someone's arm or not he won't call it. when you're a rookie he will. second, as mentioned, refs are easier on the player people paid to see when they're close to fouling out. Third, and most important, they are human. It's very hard to ref a game, especially a basketball game which has constant action and an infraction can be going on at ANY TIME. They went to 3 refs but there is still a lot that is missed. Plus players have continued to get bigger, stronger and faster so it's impossible to call everything by the book like back in the day so a lot is left up to the officials who, again, are human.

                                But what you clearly stated was that the NBA was fixed (or questioned) and there's no way...especially with the examples that you gave. I mentioned the refs earlier, but runs are just a way in sports. As some mentioned it happens at the lowest level...pick up games. I had a game yesterday (I coach HS ball) where we went up 19-10 at home in the first qtr. 19 is a lot of points for a qtr of hs ball and we were rollin. They hit a 3 at the buzzer to tie the score at 26 to end the half. Every game we play there are runs. It's just adjusting to what the defense is giving you and stepping up or losing intensity. Anyway, you can't really get mad b/c the way you questioned it says one thing but then you defend it with another.

                                With that said, some of you newer guys need to chill with the insults. Seems like that's happening more and more around here.

                                BTW, one thing I am on board with is the draft...watch LaBron go to Cleveland this year and see how they can prove that it's not fixed.

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