Shaq vs Tim Duncan

[X*Cell]

Re: Shaq vs Tim Duncan

the "if so and so" played in the ____ era he would be _____ makes absolutely no sense. they play in the era they play in.

That is what I hate the most. Anyone can say what they want, but truly, they don't know. So saying Duncan in the 80's would have been Brad Daugherty is a complete joke.

As far as comparison's go... according to www.basketball-reference.com:

Most similar in Bold

Similarity by Age
21: Pau Gasol
22: Kevin Garnett
23: Pau Gasol
24: Pau Gasol
25: Pau Gasol
26: Hakeem Olajuwon
27: Shaquille O'Neal
28: Patrick Ewing
29: Patrick Ewing

Similarity by Season
1998: Bob Lanier (1978)
1999: Patrick Ewing (1992)
2000: Patrick Ewing (1997)
2001: David Robinson (1998)
2002: Patrick Ewing (1991)
2003: Patrick Ewing (1992)
2004: Shaquille O'Neal (1997)
2005: Patrick Ewing (1997)
2006: Pau Gasol (2004)

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[teebone]

Re: Shaq vs Tim Duncan

the "if so and so" played in the ____ era he would be _____ makes absolutely no sense. they play in the era they play in.

Okay

if grandma had nads she'd be grandpa.

Is that why youre so confused?

if shaq played in a previous era he would have been called for steps and offensive fouls - and he wouldn't have been what he was either.

Thats right.

funny i never remember daugherty (or mchale for that matter) putting teams on his back and winning 3 championships.

Thats what weve been trying to tell you. If Duncan was in that era, it wouldnt have happened either.

[teebone]

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That is what I hate the most. Anyone can say what they want, but truly, they don't know. So saying Duncan in the 80's would have been Brad Daugherty is a complete joke.

If no one truly knows as you contend, how can you say the comparison is a joke?

[DW Rutledge]

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Thats what weve been trying to tell you. If Duncan was in that era, it wouldnt have happened either.

what does that mean?

"it wouldn't have happened"

it makes absolutely no sense to say if it "would have" or "wouldn't have"

you are talking about coulda, woulda, and shoulda and i'm talking about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. and will happen again...

[Chip Douglass]

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Is he actually saying Shaq was/is better or is he basing it on body type/style of play?

I'm suggesting Shaq is the better player BECAUSE of the body type/style of play I mentioned. His phsyical attributes provide matchup problems with whoever is guarding him and his presence changes many coachs' defensive strategies whenever he's on the court.

When he posts up and twirls from the defender, uses his elbows for leverage and power, and drives to the basket for the dunk, it's unstoppable.

[23]

Re: Shaq vs Tim Duncan

All you can realistically do is compare how players dominated and/or compared to their peers in their era of play.

As of how it is now, Duncan has more success, and will go down in the HOF as such.

[billmatic]

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Then thats a joke. Olajuwon proved he was better by dominating Shaq in the finals but I guess people choose to ignore this. Thats righ, Shaq was dominated by Olajuwon and because of that the Rockets swept the Magic..

lol, Shaq was in, what, his 2nd year, while Olajuwon was in his prime. That means nothing besides the fact that Olajuwon in his prime was better than Shaq before he reached his.

[Chip Douglass]

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Then thats a joke. Olajuwon proved he was better by dominating Shaq in the finals but I guess people choose to ignore this.

O'Neal was what, a second year player against a center in his prime?

Very accurate comparison.

[teebone]

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lol, Shaq was in, what, his 2nd year, while Olajuwon was in his prime. That means nothing besides the fact that Olajuwon in his prime was better than Shaq before he reached his.

And by the time Jordan retired from the Bulls, Olajuwon was past his prime. Also, I dont really think Shaqs game evolved that much save the passing.

[teebone]

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O'Neal was what, a second year player against a center in his prime?

Very accurate comparison.

Again, look at Shaqs arsenal of moves with Orlando vs what you saw in LA. Theres really no difference. Its always been throw your a$$ into the defender until your a foot from the basket.

[ex carrabba fan]

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And by the time Jordan retired from the Bulls, Olajuwon was past his prime. Also, I dont really think Shaqs game evolved that much save the passing.

Coach, you wanted him to step back and hit the three or what? He's a post player that developed a nice hook, and some great drop steps over his career. He's not from Europe, he's not going to face you up in the triple threat. You are reaching.

[teebone]

Re: Shaq vs Tim Duncan

I'm suggesting Shaq is the better player BECAUSE of the body type/style of play I mentioned. His phsyical attributes provide matchup problems with whoever is guarding him and his presence changes many coachs' defensive strategies whenever he's on the court.

When he posts up and twirls from the defender, uses his elbows for leverage and power, and drives to the basket for the dunk, it's unstoppable.

Yeah but what about when hes on defense. With Ewing and Olajuwon past their primes, there were fewer other centers Shaq had to guard. But you take Ewing or Olajuwon and Shaq suddenly has foul problems of his own too.

[teebone]

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Coach, you wanted him to step back and hit the three or what? He's a post player that developed a nice hook, and some great drop steps over his career. He's not from Europe, he's not going to face you up in the triple threat. You are reaching.

Im not reaching at all. Ive already described the evolution of his skills.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Im not reaching at all. Ive already described the evolution of his skills.

And that has gotten him four rings. What did you want him to develop coach? Explain how Shaq should have "evolved" his game.

[teebone]

Re: Shaq vs Tim Duncan

And that has gotten him four rings. What did you want him to develop coach? Explain how Shaq should have "evolved" his game.

Ive addressed this. He should have improved is FT shooting and expanded his range around the basket. Without this comparing him to the other great big men is a joke. All the others were functional within a 7 foot radius of the basket. Shaqs has to be right at the basket. And besides, a significant amount of his points came after he should have been called for a blatant charge. Yeah, guys would foul him but only after he charged his way to the basket with that big a$$ of his. So he is basically reliant on the officials to not call a foul a foul. But yeah, there was a lot of turnover in the league which allowed Shaq and the Lakers to step into the fold. Its not like Shaqs Lakers went through anyone to win a title the way the 80s Lakers, Pistons or 90s Bulls had. But I guess if your big and unpolished it pays to wait around for guys to retire, eh?