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  • Skins4Life
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2286

    #136
    Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

    Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
    Could be. I know very little about any referee. But Mathis' comments about the league's "monitoring" of officiating performance was really eye opening. It showed how "sincere" the NBA's program really is.
    This is how I understand the system works in picking playoff referees. I heard a radio interview with retired legendary ref Jake O’Donnell, and got most of this information there

    Every single referee has a job performance evaluation for the regular season. The top 96 ranking refs are divided into 8 groups of 12 referees. Each group of 12 is assigned to an opening round series. That is not an extra benefit or arbitrary decision to grant extra responsibility. It is based upon your job performance evaluation, your grade if you will.

    The refs are continually evaluated. The top 48 ref in the second round. The top 24 the 3rd round. The top 12 group does the finals.

    The job performance rating is shared with each individual referee. Not the ranking of every other ref, but certainly where you rank in the overall scheme of things. Each ref knows if he is top 96, top 48, etc. If he is ranked up there and is not named to an officiating group of 12, then the first thing he does is contact David Stern, or whomever below Stern handles officiating.

    He asks “Why am I not working and why I’m not being paid when based upon my job performance rating I should be officiating in round 1. Have I been suspended for something?”

    Tell me, what is the boss supposed to say? That he just decided to not let you work based upon a rumor that can’t be confirmed?

    And what do you do for being not allowed to work with no legal cause? You call your lawyer. And this is not the murderer or rapist where there is a danger to society such that suspicion of innocence can be to an extent compromised.

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    • Hassan Darkside
      We Here
      • Sep 2003
      • 7561

      #137
      Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?



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      • J0nnD0ugh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2003
        • 16602

        #138
        Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

        Originally posted by Skins4Life
        This is how I understand the system works in picking playoff referees. I heard a radio interview with retired legendary ref Jake O’Donnell, and got most of this information there

        Every single referee has a job performance evaluation for the regular season. The top 96 ranking refs are divided into 8 groups of 12 referees. Each group of 12 is assigned to an opening round series. That is not an extra benefit or arbitrary decision to grant extra responsibility. It is based upon your job performance evaluation, your grade if you will.

        The refs are continually evaluated. The top 48 ref in the second round. The top 24 the 3rd round. The top 12 group does the finals.

        The job performance rating is shared with each individual referee. Not the ranking of every other ref, but certainly where you rank in the overall scheme of things. Each ref knows if he is top 96, top 48, etc. If he is ranked up there and is not named to an officiating group of 12, then the first thing he does is contact David Stern, or whomever below Stern handles officiating.

        He asks “Why am I not working and why I’m not being paid when based upon my job performance rating I should be officiating in round 1. Have I been suspended for something?”

        Tell me, what is the boss supposed to say? That he just decided to not let you work based upon a rumor that can’t be confirmed?

        And what do you do for being not allowed to work with no legal cause? You call your lawyer. And this is not the murderer or rapist where there is a danger to society such that suspicion of innocence can be to an extent compromised.
        Mathis said they have people who have no refereeing experience doing the evaluation. He also said the hiring practices are questionable. And I wonder how an independent site has Donaghy as one of the quickest whistles in the profession, but Stern evaluators say he's in the middle of the pack.
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        • Skins4Life
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2286

          #139
          Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

          All very good points

          Another thing we need to focus on more, IMO, that he graded out as a very good ref when he was dirty. That doesn't say much for the vaunted "system" Stern has been cramming down our throats for years.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

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            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #140
            Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

            The problem is that they continued to allow him to work... THE NBA FINALS even after they knew he was under investigation.

            David Stern isn't blameless.

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            • oakfan162
              Get Ducked Up!
              • Mar 2006
              • 4724

              #141
              Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

              Originally posted by Skins4Life
              All very good points

              <!-- / message --><!-- sig --> Another thing we need to focus on more, IMO, that he graded out as a very good ref when he was dirty. That doesn't say much for the vaunted "system" Stern has been cramming down our throats for years.
              Yea, all the information coming out about the vaunted grading system has been very unimpressive IMO. It seems like the NBA had a shame of a system that appeased the viewing public but in reality did nothing of substance.
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              • EZ Snappin
                Rookie
                • Sep 2004
                • 297

                #142
                Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                The problem is that they continued to allow him to work... THE NBA FINALS even after they knew he was under investigation.

                David Stern isn't blameless.
                He didn't work the Finals and they didn't know of the investigation. There is plenty to complain and question without just making things up.

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                  yellow
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 66469

                  #143
                  Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                  You're right it wasn't the finals, it was the playoffs, and he was still allowed to work.

                  They knew the feds were on him don't be gullible.

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                  • Brandon13
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8915

                    #144
                    Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                    Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                    You're right it wasn't the finals, it was the playoffs, and he was still allowed to work.

                    They knew the feds were on him don't be gullible.
                    If they knew then I'm sure it'll come out. I'll give the NBA the benefit of the doubt until then though.

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                    • Skins4Life
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2286

                      #145
                      Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                      Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                      You're right it wasn't the finals, it was the playoffs, and he was still allowed to work.

                      They knew the feds were on him don't be gullible.
                      Sorry KD, I see you as the one being gullible here.

                      I will give the NBA the benefit of the doubt on this one. Why would the feds tip there hands to the commish? So the commish could fire him right away, which is exactly what he would have dont....

                      That would have tipped off said ref, and the mafia, that they had been busted.

                      As I said in another thread, I dont think the NBA knew until after the Finals, as Stern said in his PC

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                      • Skins4Life
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 2286

                        #146
                        Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                        Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                        The problem is that they continued to allow him to work... THE NBA FINALS even after they knew he was under investigation.

                        David Stern isn't blameless.
                        No they didnt.

                        I have no clue what the last day of the finals was (June 12th?) but as I posted before:

                        The FBI first contacted the NBA on June 20 to talk about a referee alleged to be gambling on games, and the two sides met on June 21, Stern said"
                        I need to go take a shower. I am actually defending Stern.

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                        • 23
                          yellow
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 66469

                          #147
                          Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                          Originally posted by Skins4Life
                          Sorry KD, I see you as the one being gullible here.

                          I will give the NBA the benefit of the doubt on this one. Why would the feds tip there hands to the commish? So the commish could fire him right away, which is exactly what he would have dont....

                          That would have tipped off said ref, and the mafia, that they had been busted.

                          As I said in another thread, I dont think the NBA knew until after the Finals, as Stern said in his PC
                          lol@ that last comment n your second post skins.

                          oh and yes they allowed him to work while being investigated so no one would be tipped off.

                          stern cannot fire anyone if it nteferes with a fed investigation.

                          with all of these security policies he went on abut and he knew nothing?


                          uh uh I don't think so

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                          • Brandon13
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8915

                            #148
                            Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                            Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                            lol@ that last comment n your second post skins.

                            oh and yes they allowed him to work while being investigated so no one would be tipped off.

                            stern cannot fire anyone if it nteferes with a fed investigation.

                            with all of these security policies he went on abut and he knew nothing?


                            uh uh I don't think so
                            Well if that's the way it went down then Stern wouldn't be at fault because he had no choice in the matter.

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                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #149
                              Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                              Originally posted by Brandon13
                              Well if that's the way it went down then Stern wouldn't be at fault because he had no choice in the matter.
                              I agree and I don't think he was involved.

                              I didn't imply that... but I don't think he took enough action against his refs actions either for many years

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                              • Brandon13
                                All Star
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 8915

                                #150
                                Re: NBA Ref Fixing Games?

                                Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                                I agree and I don't think he was involved.

                                I didn't imply that... but I don't think he took enough action against his refs actions either for many years
                                Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                                The problem is that they continued to allow him to work... THE NBA FINALS even after they knew he was under investigation.

                                David Stern isn't blameless.
                                It kinda sounded like you were implying it. But I agree that he hasn't taken enough action against the incompetent refs over the years.

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