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  • Vince
    Bow for Bau
    • Aug 2002
    • 26017

    #16
    Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

    Does it really matter how many shots a game he takes? A bad scorer (or shooter) will revert to a bad scorer, regardless of how many shots per game one takes because he will show his true form over the course of several games, not just one game of shooting 10 times. That's just how I see it, maybe I'm wrong. Jason Kidd takes 11 shots per game and shoots a PATHETIC percentage. Couldn't the same argument be made? His D is average to below average, no sugarcoating here.

    Bottom line, he's started 30 or so games and in those games, he's averaged 10 assits per game and about 1.5 turnovers. Those are amazing numbers.

    I can understand why ppl think he doesn't belong. He needs to pay his dues and people haven't really seen him much. If he does this again next season, he will get some love.
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    • DC
      Hall Of Fame
      • Oct 2002
      • 17996

      #17
      Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

      Originally posted by Streets
      Yao made it as a rookie
      Yea by vote.
      Concrete evidence/videos please

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      • ex carrabba fan
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        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #18
        Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

        Bravo to Rap fans for keeping it civil.

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        • Vince
          Bow for Bau
          • Aug 2002
          • 26017

          #19
          Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

          BTW, vs the Spurs last night, 27 pts, 6 dimes, 1 turn. 12-17 shooting 4-5 from 3. Rest of the team didn't hit a thing.

          Having TJ back is better for Jose, because he doesn't have to pace himself as much knowing he won't have Darrick Martin or Juan Dixon backing him up.
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          • Vince
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            • Aug 2002
            • 26017

            #20
            Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            Bravo to Rap fans for keeping it civil.
            We're only like 4 or 5...lol

            When are we not civil anyways?
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            • HMcCoy
              All Star
              • Jan 2003
              • 8212

              #21
              Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

              Originally posted by Vince
              Does it really matter how many shots a game he takes? A bad scorer (or shooter) will revert to a bad scorer, regardless of how many shots per game one takes because he will show his true form over the course of several games, not just one game of shooting 10 times. That's just how I see it, maybe I'm wrong. Jason Kidd takes 11 shots per game and shoots a PATHETIC percentage. Couldn't the same argument be made? His D is average to below average, no sugarcoating here.

              Bottom line, he's started 30 or so games and in those games, he's averaged 10 assits per game and about 1.5 turnovers. Those are amazing numbers.

              I can understand why ppl think he doesn't belong. He needs to pay his dues and people haven't really seen him much. If he does this again next season, he will get some love.
              I disagree, bro.

              Jason Kidd is a 9-time all-D player, led the league in assists a bunch of times, is I think #2 in triple doubles all-time, is clearly the best rebounding PG since Magic, and has made several teams contenders as soon as he walked through the door. Jason Kidd impacts a game without scoring...his weak jumper is icing on the cake if it falls. Does Calderon do that? Seems like he has the tools, but...

              I dunno, I've only seen him a few times, and I was impressed with his handles and poise, but he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath with Kidd, IMO. Not yet, anyway.
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              • Vince
                Bow for Bau
                • Aug 2002
                • 26017

                #22
                Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                Understood, but the Kidd reference was more for arguments sake (about Jose's shooting %) as opposed to comparing him to an all-time great.

                I understand your point of view, but I don't think the amount of shots one takes [per game] should matter, as to judging whether a players shooting percentage is legit or not. Jose is a career .500 shooter. He's at .533 this season. He does things in his realm of abilities. There are games where he takes it upon himself to shoot more because the team is in a slump. His J is money plain and simple.

                Jose's improvement has been amazing: .42 % from 2 and .160 percent from 3 his first season and now he's a career .500 guy and he will bring his 3pt shooting above .400 by season's end. I love this guy and hope he stays a Raptor for a long time.
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                • HMcCoy
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8212

                  #23
                  Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                  Originally posted by Vince
                  Understood, but the Kidd reference was more for arguments sake (about Jose's shooting %) as opposed to comparing him to an all-time great.

                  I understand your point of view, but I don't think the amount of shots one takes [per game] should matter, as to judging whether a players shooting percentage is legit or not. Jose is a career .500 shooter. He's at .533 this season. He does things in his realm of abilities. There are games where he takes it upon himself to shoot more because the team is in a slump. His J is money plain and simple.

                  Jose's improvement has been amazing: .42 % from 2 and .160 percent from 3 his first season and now he's a career .500 guy and he will bring his 3pt shooting above .400 by season's end. I love this guy and hope he stays a Raptor for a long time.
                  I just think numbers will go down a little bit once he becomes a bigger part of the offense, and becomes a bigger target on opposing chalkboards. Being under the radar has it's benefits.

                  That said, I feel you though. Calderon looks like a keeper....if the Raps can keep he and Bosh together for the long term, they could get on or close to the same level as D Will/Boozer and CP3/West. That would be nasty in the East.
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                  • Perceptor
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 4364

                    #24
                    Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                    I do agree that while Jose is not an all-star yet, he's no Kevin Ollie as per the Gil reference. I've watched every single Raptor game this season and Calderon has improved leaps and bounds.

                    His d is below average as Vince as pointed out, but the guy can run an offense efficiently and plays smart basketball and makes great decisions. Averaging 15 points and 10 dimes as a starter is nothing to sneeze at either for any team. And he could start for at least half the teams in the NBA and he will get a lot of offers as a RFA at season's end....it will be interesting to see how BC handles the PG situation....I love TJ Ford, but Calderon's play as the starter has really opened my eyes with what he can do.

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                    • Vince
                      Bow for Bau
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 26017

                      #25
                      Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                      Originally posted by Perceptor
                      I do agree that while Jose is not an all-star yet, he's no Kevin Ollie as per the Gil reference. I've watched every single Raptor game this season and Calderon has improved leaps and bounds.

                      His d is below average as Vince as pointed out, but the guy can run an offense efficiently and plays smart basketball and makes great decisions. Averaging 15 points and 10 dimes as a starter is nothing to sneeze at either for any team. And he could start for at least half the teams in the NBA and he will get a lot of offers as a RFA at season's end....it will be interesting to see how BC handles the PG situation....I love TJ Ford, but Calderon's play as the starter has really opened my eyes with what he can do.

                      TJ Ford's injuries mean Calderon will be a Raptor for a while. Any team that gives him a deal, BC will match. When Ford is healthier and his value is up, you can entertain trading one or the other.
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                      • Muzyk23
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 4192

                        #26
                        Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                        Jose Calderon will never be an all-star..don't get mad at me..that's how it is going to be..he just doesn't have the tools
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                        • youvalss
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                          • Feb 2007
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                          #27
                          Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                          The Raptors play better with Calderon than with Ford. Not hard to see that.
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                          • Perceptor
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 4364

                            #28
                            Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                            Originally posted by Muzyk23
                            Jose Calderon will never be an all-star..don't get mad at me..that's how it is going to be..he just doesn't have the tools
                            Can I ask whay you say he doesn't have the tools? Have you watched him play a lot? No one's saying that he should be an all-star now, but to say that he'll never be one is premature at this point....

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                            • Vince
                              Bow for Bau
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 26017

                              #29
                              Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                              Originally posted by Muzyk23
                              Jose Calderon will never be an all-star..don't get mad at me..that's how it is going to be..he just doesn't have the tools
                              What tools are you referring too?

                              Raptor fans won't get mad if people state valid arguments like HM did, but it's when uninformed people who have never seen him play make claims that they don't support with actual arguments....
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                              • ehh
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 28962

                                #30
                                Re: Calderon no All-Star according to Gil

                                LOL @ him getting at Kevin Ollie too.
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