MVP discussion

[BigTigLSU]

Re: MVP discussion

disagree. kobe had a season for the ages a couple years ago. 81 points... 60 some in 3 quarters... broke more records than lebron could dream off.... tha was on a horrible team of bums.

AND, kobe played defense too! of course, that never is taken into account... just like Nash who plays matador defense... kobe got a team of bums into the first round that year... every play said he should have won the mvp but all the so-called analysts who've never played a game in their life said nash or someone else.

Bron took some bums to the finals... they got destroyed there, but they made it though

[Brandon13]

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disagree. kobe had a season for the ages a couple years ago. 81 points... 60 some in 3 quarters... broke more records than lebron could dream off.... tha was on a horrible team of bums.

AND, kobe played defense too! of course, that never is taken into account... just like Nash who plays matador defense... kobe got a team of bums into the first round that year... every play said he should have won the mvp but all the so-called analysts who've never played a game in their life said nash or someone else.

I can't really argue anything here. Kobe was amazing that season but I think LeBron's season thus far has been better. But you can't go wrong with either. What they both have in common between the two seasons is a terrible supporting cast.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Bron took some bums to the finals... they got destroyed there, but they made it though

I give him all the credit in the world for that.. just make sure you remember their path to the Finals. And remember that the Pistons self destructed in that game 7, with Sheed losing his damn mind.

[Cj7298419]

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Chris Paul no doubt

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Kobe was the team two years ago though, and he didn't win the MVP. Unless Cleveland really starts winning some games I don't think LeBron should be the MVP.

Lebron was

[Brandon13]

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Lebron was

LeBron was...? The team? If that's what you're saying then yeah I agree. Kinda hard to disagree.

[23]

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LeBron was...? The team? If that's what you're saying then yeah I agree. Kinda hard to disagree.

He did better than Kobe in every category except ppg, which was only becuase Kobe took 200 more fga than LeBron did, and at a lower %.

Cleveland had the better record and won about 12 games over 500, in the 50 win bracket.

He's beating him out again this year except the team wins dept, which is very important.

[HMcCoy]

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Kobe.

Scores on your best perimeter defender, guards your best perimeter scorer. Makes plays and grabs boards from the 2 spot. Has sacrificed his scoring to accomodate his teammates. Takes over big moments and succeeds more than he fails. And is one game out of the top spot in the West. ONE. GAME. Up until 2 weeks ago, did all this without an All-Star calibur big or a former MVP candidate wing shooter. Even before Pau the Lakeshow held the top spot when his next best player averaged 13 points. 13!

When you factor in all BS that goes into MVP voting, (team success, stats, mediocre support, player age) Kobe is a shoo-in and it's not even close. If the Lakers were the 7th or 8th seed, I go Paul/Bron, but as is...

[Brandon13]

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He did better than Kobe in every category except ppg, which was only becuase Kobe took 200 more fga than LeBron did, and at a lower %.

Cleveland had the better record and won about 12 games over 500, in the 50 win bracket.

He's beating him out again this year except the team wins dept, which is very important.

I see now. The Lakers having the better record is a really huge thing this year since the West is stacked and the East is still pretty bad. But it does even it out considering Kobe has a team around him now and we're yet to see how these new guys will affect Cleveland.

I give Kobe the slight edge right now even though I think LeBron is the best player in the league.

[ex carrabba fan]

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All I know is Lakers have 24 more games against the West.

Cavs have 5.

Cavs will have played 31 games against the West, Lakers will have played 52.

If the Lakers finish with a better record than the Hornets, and win about 53 games or so It'll be hard to not give it to Bryant.

If you're going to use the argument that the Lakers have such a talent laden team then I think it's fair to look at the fact that Bron plays in the East. But let's not forget Bynum played 30 games, and Pau has only played in 8 thus far.

Let me reiterate, Bron deserves it as much as the next guy, Kobe and CP3- all three of these guys have been playing other worldly.

Don't forget about K.G.'s chances.

[HMcCoy]

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All I know is Lakers have 24 more games against the West.

Cavs have 5.

Cavs will have played 31 games against the West, Lakers will have played 52.

If the Lakers finish with a better record than the Hornets, and win about 53 games or so It'll be hard to not give it to Bryant.

If you're going to use the argument that the Lakers have such a talent laden team then I think it's fair to look at the fact that Bron plays in the East. But let's not forget Bynum played 30 games, and Pau has only played in 8 thus far.

Let me reiterate, Bron deserves it as much as the next guy, Kobe and CP3- all three of these guys have been playing other worldly.

Don't forget about K.G.'s chances.

That better not matter. Dirk and Nash haven't exactly been without talented teammates. Neither has Duncan or Shaq...

[23]

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from lj4mvp

I agree

I'm not quite sure how it happened, but it seems that the MVP award has lost the meaning of valuable, at least the way it's being argued on here and the way it's sometimes awarded. It's just a strange concept that the lakers trading for Gasol and getting him more help makes Kobe a better MVP candidate while the cavs losing players left and right and thus relying more on LeBron to keep things afloat makes him less of an MVP candidate because their record slips a tad.

And by the same token, if this recent trade works out and Ben Wallace comes out rejuvenated, wally offsets Gibson's injury and Andy comes back next week ready to do, all helping the cavs getting 53 wins, that somehow helps LeBron's MVP case.

I think if MVP were a new award added this year, people would look at Most Valuable Player and conclude hands down that LeBron should win it for the way he's put his team on his back night after night and carried them through the season.

[ex carrabba fan]

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from lj4mvp

I agree

I'm not quite sure how it happened, but it seems that the MVP award has lost the meaning of valuable, at least the way it's being argued on here and the way it's sometimes awarded. It's just a strange concept that the lakers trading for Gasol and getting him more help makes Kobe a better MVP candidate while the cavs losing players left and right and thus relying more on LeBron to keep things afloat makes him less of an MVP candidate because their record slips a tad.

And by the same token, if this recent trade works out and Ben Wallace comes out rejuvenated, wally offsets Gibson's injury and Andy comes back next week ready to do, all helping the cavs getting 53 wins, that somehow helps LeBron's MVP case.

I think if MVP were a new award added this year, people would look at Most Valuable Player and conclude hands down that LeBron should win it for the way he's put his team on his back night after night and carried them through the season.

Problem is with that logic, you're pre-determining that Kobe can't win. Sorry I don't buy it. Does lj4mvp want 60 wins 70 wins? What would it take for Kobe to get the award.

[23]

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No i'm not detemining it, and I didn't say he couldnt win it, but he is far from my top choice.

In fact, if you give the MVP to the best statistical player on a high win team, you don't give it to Kobe, you give it to Paul who has better stats and projects to more wins.

[ex carrabba fan]

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No i'm not detemining it, and I didn't say he couldnt win it, but he is far from my top choice.

In fact, if you give the MVP to the best statistical player on a high win team, you don't give it to Kobe, you give it to Paul who has better stats and projects to more wins.

Ok well I was just replying to that other guy's logic, which I think is completely flawed. But what does he have to do to win?

Here's what everyone has to do in my eyes:

CP3: Get a top 3 record while keeping his assists at about 10 and scoring at 18-20.

Bryant: Get about 53-55 wins, 27-30 ppg, 6-7, and 4-5

Bron: Stay around his averages and finish at least 3rd seed maybe 4th depending on how many wins they get. The Cavs need to win about 47 games.

K.G.: Just get healthy and put up numbers and keep winning.