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04-06-2008, 12:28 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

CP was able to show he was a pure point at WF. Rose is in a system that doesn't allow him to show off his full potential as a point guard. But Roses' quickness and speed are pretty crazy.
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jfsolo

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#17

04-06-2008, 12:31 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by ex carrabba fan

I'm not buying into the hype quite yet.

That's understandable, but I think only injury or a poor work ethic will derail him. He just has too many plus skills not to be great. Rare quickness and explosiveness, great finisher with either hand, size, speed, ball handling, and strength. Today I saw that his court vision and bball I.Q. were top shelf as well.

Some players you can just watch once and you know they're the real deal, even if they aren't playing against their physical equals.

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#18

04-06-2008, 12:33 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

After watching him play today, I definitely think Rose has the potential to be a star in the NBA. He's got the size and the speed, but needs to improve his 3-point range.
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#19

04-06-2008, 01:04 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Cant wait to see how he develops in the L. Hopefully he doesnt go to a team that tries to make play in a way that doesnt take advantage of his talents.
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#20

04-06-2008, 02:39 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by tehova

I just need him to go to the Memphis Grizzlies

How many friggin' point guards do you need!?!?!?

Originally posted by Flyboy

Chauncey Billups.

Yup. And Andre Miller.

Originally posted by nyyanksfan20

I'd rather have Rose.

Wow. I'd rather have the killer big man, but that's just me.
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#21

04-06-2008, 03:40 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by KDRE_OS

True enough but GP's post game was apart of his attack on the offensive end. How many point guards in the league do that consistently even now?

Quite a few

Chauncey
Baron
Sam
Deron
Gil
Tinsley

Concrete evidence/videos please
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#22

04-06-2008, 09:22 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by jfsolo

I'm not going to compare him to any other player, but with Nash and Kidd getting up there I think his physical gifts alone will make him a top 3 PG in the league in 3 years. If he adds range and consistency to his jumper he can be the best before he's even 23.

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#23

04-06-2008, 10:33 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Derrick Rose could be the 5th best PG in the league next year.

That's right, I said it! 5th best NEXT YEAR!

Obviously, he'd have to take a back seat to the 4 horseman of PG in the league this year:
- Chris Paul
- Deron Williams
- Steve Nash
- Jason Kidd

No disrespect to Baron Davis or Chauncey Billups. Davis doesn't play defense like Rose. As for Billups, maybe 4 years ago he would have took a backseat to him but Billups is obviously on the downside of his career.

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#24

04-06-2008, 10:37 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by slimm44

Chris Paul just muttered a few cuss words under his breath.

Paul will IMO, be the consensus number one point guard in the league with in 2 years, and will probably stay in the top 3 for the next decade. I think Rose can do some things physically that Paul can't do, so I think he has a chance to surpass him.

It may(probably will) take longer than the time frame that I initially gave, and it may always be debatable who is the best, but I think Rose can be the top dog.

Of course the whole discussion could be rendered moot by some kid who hasn't appeared on the radar yet.

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#25

04-06-2008, 10:47 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

To answer the question, he could be great. The thing I like about him is that he can make things happen even when he's not scoring himself.
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#26

04-06-2008, 10:58 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by nyyanksfan20

I'd rather have Rose.

Just picture Beasley playing the 3.

Either way, this draft should be mighty interesting.
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#27

04-06-2008, 11:08 AM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Chauncey Billups is on the downside of his career, but Jason Kidd and Steve Nash aren't? Last I checked, Billups is a few years younger than those guys. And while Billups has certainly plateued, he's not winding down by any means. His scoring and assist numbers are consistent all across the board. However, his shooting percentage this year is as high as it's ever been in his career. He's become a better decision-maker on the floor than even a couple years ago.

As for Derrick Rose, I'd say he definitely has the physical gifts and skills to be a fantastic combo guard NBA. Of course he can improve his jumper, but that's said for just about any prospect who comes into the league. My only concern with Rose is how well he adapts to running any offense against better-prepared NBA teams where all players across the league are scouted in greater detail and many more subtle defensive adjustments are made. In Memphis they pretty much run a simplistic drive-and-kick offense that opposing defenses didn't have the resources (i.e. athletic talent) to answer. While I think he is capable of running any offense asked of him, it's going to be a whole different scenario for Rose in the NBA in the case that his athleticism don't stand out as much as it does in college, and he'll have to rely more on his IQ and outthinking defenders to be successful getting to the basket and making plays for himself and teammates.

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#28

04-06-2008, 12:49 PM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by Kruza

Chauncey Billups is on the downside of his career, but Jason Kidd and Steve Nash aren't? Last I checked, Billups is a few years younger than those guys. And while Billups has certainly plateued, he's not winding down by any means. His scoring and assist numbers are consistent all across the board. However, his shooting percentage this year is as high as it's ever been in his career. He's become a better decision-maker on the floor than even a couple years ago.

LOL, I didn't want to say anything, it seemed like a strange comment to me too.
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#29

04-06-2008, 01:00 PM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Originally posted by Kruza

Chauncey Billups is on the downside of his career, but Jason Kidd and Steve Nash aren't? Last I checked, Billups is a few years younger than those guys. And while Billups has certainly plateued, he's not winding down by any means. His scoring and assist numbers are consistent all across the board. However, his shooting percentage this year is as high as it's ever been in his career. He's become a better decision-maker on the floor than even a couple years ago.

As for Derrick Rose, I'd say he definitely has the physical gifts and skills to be a fantastic combo guard NBA. Of course he can improve his jumper, but that's said for just about any prospect who comes into the league. My only concern with Rose is how well he adapts to running any offense against better-prepared NBA teams where all players across the league are scouted in greater detail and many more subtle defensive adjustments are made. In Memphis they pretty much run a simplistic drive-and-kick offense that opposing defenses didn't have the resources (i.e. athletic talent) to answer. While I think he is capable of running any offense asked of him, it's going to be a whole different scenario for Rose in the NBA in the case that his athleticism don't stand out as much as it does in college, and he'll have to rely more on his IQ and outthinking defenders to be successful getting to the basket and making plays for himself and teammates.

Kruza

Originally posted by Psyblast

LOL, I didn't want to say anything, it seemed like a strange comment to me too.

Do you think, perhaps, he is suggesting that Kidd and Nash are better than Billups and because of that they can still remain elite more easily than Billups?
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#30

04-06-2008, 01:12 PM

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

I see no similarities in Rose and GP. Rose may be a fantastic PG, but I think he'll be more of a hybrid PG/SG with great explosiveness, whereas GP was a lock-down defending true PG.
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