How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

[ehh]

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

The Rose/B-EZ debate is a good one. Keep in mind Rose's supporting cast compared to Beasley's. Memphis has one of the best starting lineups in the entire country. Consider that we had a chance to see much more of Rose since KSU was one and done.. out of sight out of mind.

Everyone seems to have their mind made up that he'll be a top guard in a couple years.. I just don't know. People have brought up the fact that point guards are more valuable than a 6-9 guy.. I think I agree with that.

There's really no spot on current NBA comparison for Beasley (the Jamison/Stoudamire combo is pretty good), but would you rather have that Jamison/Stoudamire player on your team or a Chris Paul/Deron Williams?

If I'm a GM at this point I've seen too many great PG's passed up on for good big men in recent history. Rose was better in college than Paul or Williams and is better overall athlete than either. I'd probably go as far as saying that Rose is the best point guard we've seen in the collegiate ranks in a dozen years. What he did in the tourney was amazing. I mean he was head and shoulders above Augustin, Collison, Neitzel, etc, he was just toying with All-America point guards. Yet all season he let CDR and Dorsey be the main men, he never scored when he didn't have to.

Much like Paul & Williams I don't think anyone will be able to stop Rose in a few years. The sky is the limit for this kid.

[Primerica]

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LOL, I didn't want to say anything, it seemed like a strange comment to me too.

The thing I don't like about many basketball forums is too many fans rate on ESPN talk rather then the acual game. Billups hasn't lost a step. Rose has to play more under control or he could become a Steve Francis type. As for GP, many of you guys must have forget about this guys talent level.

[Primerica]

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There's really no spot on current NBA comparison for Beasley (the Jamison/Stoudamire combo is pretty good), but would you rather have that Jamison/Stoudamire player on your team or a Chris Paul/Deron Williams?

If I'm a GM at this point I've seen too many great PG's passed up on for good big men in recent history. Rose was better in college than Paul or Williams and is better overall athlete than either. I'd probably go as far as saying that Rose is the best point guard we've seen in the collegiate ranks in a dozen years. What he did in the tourney was amazing. I mean he was head and shoulders above Augustin, Collison, Neitzel, etc, he was just toying with All-America point guards. Yet all season he let CDR and Dorsey be the main men, he never scored when he didn't have to.

Much like Paul & Williams I don't think anyone will be able to stop Rose in a few years. The sky is the limit for this kid.

Beasley is similar to Coleman. Coleman if he lived up to his potienal the sky could have been the limit.

[Flyboy]

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There's really no spot on current NBA comparison for Beasley (the Jamison/Stoudamire combo is pretty good), but would you rather have that Jamison/Stoudamire player on your team or a Chris Paul/Deron Williams?

If I'm a GM at this point I've seen too many great PG's passed up on for good big men in recent history. Rose was better in college than Paul or Williams and is better overall athlete than either. I'd probably go as far as saying that Rose is the best point guard we've seen in the collegiate ranks in a dozen years. What he did in the tourney was amazing. I mean he was head and shoulders above Augustin, Collison, Neitzel, etc, he was just toying with All-America point guards. Yet all season he let CDR and Dorsey be the main men, he never scored when he didn't have to.

Much like Paul & Williams I don't think anyone will be able to stop Rose in a few years. The sky is the limit for this kid.

I don't think Rose was better in college than CP3's best year, but that could be just me.

[jerseyboi2284]

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I see alot of things that are interesting in Derrick Rose.

He is strong enough to get inside if he needs to, quick enough to take a defender off the dribble, has a good enough Bball IQ where if he has a good talent level around him he doesn't need to be the main scoring attack and would fit into the role well. I haven't really seen anything worth talking about on D but at least he plays it.

So I see Derrick Rose being a 3rd or 4th year breakout guy. It'll take him that long to figure out what he can and cannot do in well L. I just hope whatever team nabs him doesn't put him at a position they don't project him to play if they decide to start him (most likely).
Kinda like LBJ in his 1st year I don't know about you guys but seeing him run the point bothered me to no end.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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I'd like to see what Rose can do against guards his size and just as quick.Mayo exploited Rose when they played head to head.

Overall i think he'll be like a Deron Williams only quicker and more athletic,but with a worse jump shot

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'd like to see what Rose can do against guards his size and just as quick.Mayo exploited Rose when they played head to head.

Overall i think he'll be like a Deron Williams only quicker and more athletic,but with a worse jump shot

To your first point, I agree. Ehh brought up good points about Rose.. but the I don't feel Collison, Neitzl are NBA point guards IMO, not to mention they're tiny. Augustein is NBA, but he's small as well.

To your second point.. so basically he's nothing like Deron Williams I personally don't see any Deron in Rose.. Deron is a pick and roll player.. Rose will attack the rack at will and doesn't have any sort of midrange jumper yet, nor has he wowed me from three point range.

[tehova]

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We wont know how good Rose will be until his first Summer League game and see how he handles the pick and roll. I remember watching Chris Paul's first summer league game and he made the right decision on every pick and roll. He was missing all his shots that day but you could see he was going to be a star.

Pick and roll is what defines a point guard in the nba

[ehh]

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To your first point, I agree. Ehh brought up good points about Rose.. but the I don't feel Collison, Neitzl are NBA point guards IMO, not to mention they're tiny. Augustein is NBA, but he's small as well.

I agree 100% about the other PG's you mentioned, but the scary thing is that Paul and Williams weren't blowing away other "great collegiate but non-NBA PG's" while they were in college. They were obviously better than them, but not embarrassing them like Rose did.

[SidVish]

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Rose will be great. There's no doubt in my mind. The way he can take it to the hole, absorb the contact and finish is about as good as I've seen for a college player. He's got an NBA ready body especially for a pg at 6-3 210. In the tourney he was a man amongst boys and seemed to be toying with the competition. He's got a decent jumper and is a freakish athlete with insane hops. You'll be seeing a lot of him on Sportcenter...trust me. Considering the early success of Deron and Paul, his stock is very high. I agree with those who said he'll be a top 5 pg in a short time.

[stewaat]

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Whoever gets him is going to have a good kid and someone who can take it to the rack with the best of them.

I can't say I see a comparison with Rose to anyone in particular.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Whoever gets him is going to have a good kid and someone who can take it to the rack with the best of them.

I can't say I see a comparison with Rose to anyone in particular.

I see D. Wade with more point guard instincts and more of a quarterback personality. Rose has Wades' willingness to attack the rack, and speed/power/quickness to get through defenders.

[NBA2k8 CHAMP]

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I actually believe Rose will be a combo guard.D.Wade is a good comparison. While at Memphis I didn't really get to see him in pick and rolls and creating for his teammates,it was usually ISO for him or douglas roberts.

His assist to turnover ratio was bad and didn't get to see his court vision much.He will be a great one on one player IMO but top 5 PG don't know yet.

He has all the tools to be a top 5 point guard but I've yet to see him create for others for a game

[Flyboy]

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I see D. Wade with more point guard instincts and more of a quarterback personality. Rose has Wades' willingness to attack the rack, and speed/power/quickness to get through defenders.

I think that's a fair comparison. If he can consistently learn to nail the midrange J.... oooh wee.

[mizzta21]

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A slightly better version of Gary Payton. Wish he would stay another year though.

lol at these threads, dude has never stepped on an NBA court yet, come on. he has potential, but let the players EARN their way into being a star instead of this generation of people and the media trying to hype things as usual... pfff