How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

[tehova]

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

[QUOTE=P2K;2038272919]How many friggin' point guards do you need!?!?!?


Just one good one

If you have a point guard committee, you don't have a point guard.


So Rose would help get people out of town, and bring in his Memphis Tigers fans. Thats a win win

[Flyboy]

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[QUOTE=tehova;2038273371]

How many friggin' point guards do you need!?!?!?


Just one good one

If you have a point guard committee, you don't have a point guard.


So Rose would help get people out of town, and bring in his Memphis Tigers fans. Thats a win win

I think using Rose as a combo guard would work well.

[DC]

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I pray that Rose doesn't go to that horrible franchise in the Girzzlies.

[tehova]

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I pray that Rose doesn't go to that horrible franchise in the Girzzlies.

We aren't horrible, just not good at basketball.

[Dice]

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Chauncey Billups is on the downside of his career, but Jason Kidd and Steve Nash aren't? Last I checked, Billups is a few years younger than those guys. And while Billups has certainly plateued, he's not winding down by any means. His scoring and assist numbers are consistent all across the board. However, his shooting percentage this year is as high as it's ever been in his career. He's become a better decision-maker on the floor than even a couple years ago.

Yes, Kidd and Nash are on the downside of their careers, but they are still established as the upper echelon of PG in the league. You have to look at it like this, Nash and Kidd had a higher ceiling than Billups. Nash and Kidd at the peek of their careers have been considered the best PG in the league. And while Billups has always been a top notch PG he's never been considered as, "The best PG in the league". Kidd and Nash at one time in their careers has established that title.

[bigeastbumrush]

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If the Knicks don't get Beasley, then I want Rose.

I'm slowly taking this back^^.

I absolutely LOVE Rose's game. Brings a tear to my eye.

[bigeastbumrush]

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WOW

[KG]

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I think Rose's game is very similar to a young Steve Francis. They have alot of similarities:

Extremely explosive
Great size for the PG
Neither one was/is a consistent shooter but good enough that you can't just play off
Good rebounders for their position

With that being said Rose seems like he has a better head on his shoulders and will be younger when gets in the league than Francis was. He also looks like he cares more on defense and is a more of a true PG than Stevie.

[ehh]

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Rose is going to be a Top 5 point guard by the end of his second pro season and in the same class as Paul and Williams. As someone mentioned he doesn't have the chance to show his true point guard skills in the DDM offense that Memphis runs. He is a better passer than people give him credit for, IMO.

His size/athleticism reminds me a bit of Baron Davis but quicker.

He'll need to work on his D, but on the offensive end of the floor and in transition he'll be as good as anyone in the league. I'll be surprised if he hasn't hurdled Beasley as the consensus #1 pick.

[KG]

Re: How Good Can Derrick Rose Be?

Rose is going to be a Top 5 point guard by the end of his second pro season and in the same class as Paul and Williams. As someone mentioned he doesn't have the chance to show his true point guard skills in the DDM offense that Memphis runs. He is a better passer than people give him credit for, IMO.

His size/athleticism reminds me a bit of Baron Davis but quicker.

He'll need to work on his D, but on the offensive end of the floor and in transition he'll be as good as anyone in the league. I'll be surprised if he hasn't hurdled Beasley as the consensus #1 pick.

Yeah he does remind me of Baron a little, young Baron, not Baron now. Bdiddy now is much stronger than Rose.

If he ends up going to Miami or Memphis he will likely put up really solid #s. Both teams have good swingmen (Miami-Marion & Wade, Memphis-Gay, Miller) that can run with him and him finish.

I still don't believe you take him over Beasley. Especially if you're Miami. Wade-Marion-Beasley gives you the best 1-2-3 outside of Boston & DC with a healthy Arenas.

[minoba82]

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I've only seen Rose play a few games. IMO, he looks like he's more of a scorer than a facilitator. But I have only seen him play during the tournament. I do like the Steve Francis comparison.

If he ends up going to Miami or Memphis he will likely put up really solid #s. Both teams have good swingmen (Miami-Marion & Wade, Memphis-Gay, Miller) that can run with him and him finish.

Memphis should definitely take Beasley, since they already have Conley and Lowry. Miami (who I think should have their pick stripped for tanking) couldn't go with either. They don't know yet if Marion will be back, so I think Beasley would be the better pick for them.

I still don't believe you take him over Beasley. Especially if you're Miami. Wade-Marion-Beasley gives you the best 1-2-3 outside of Boston & DC with a healthy Arenas.

Don't mean to get off topic, but just out of curiosity, where do you rank the Spurs trio? Wade/Marion/Beasley would already be better than Parker/Ginobili/Duncan?

[Flyboy]

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I'd take Rose over Beasley too.

[ex carrabba fan]

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The Rose/B-EZ debate is a good one. Keep in mind Rose's supporting cast compared to Beasley's. Memphis has one of the best starting lineups in the entire country. Consider that we had a chance to see much more of Rose since KSU was one and done.. out of sight out of mind.

Everyone seems to have their mind made up that he'll be a top guard in a couple years.. I just don't know. People have brought up the fact that point guards are more valuable than a 6-9 guy.. I think I agree with that.

[Kruza]

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Yes, Kidd and Nash are on the downside of their careers, but they are still established as the upper echelon of PG in the league. You have to look at it like this, Nash and Kidd had a higher ceiling than Billups. Nash and Kidd at the peek of their careers have been considered the best PG in the league. And while Billups has always been a top notch PG he's never been considered as, "The best PG in the league". Kidd and Nash at one time in their careers has established that title.

That's a fair assessment. But this year, Billups is outplaying Nash and Kidd despite the lack of attention he’s getting for doing so.

And while it can be tempting, I would not take Rose over Beasley. Aside getting comfortable running NBA offenses, I'm not so sure how well Rose will do when defended by opposing guards who match his quickness. He didn't show much when he was challenged to go left against a set halfcourt defense. Of course this can be resolved with a solid work ethic and proper coaching, but the concern is there with me.

As for Beasley, once he works on passing out of the post, an NBA team will have a young, pre-back problems Larry Johnson reincarnate on his hands.

Kruza

[KG]

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Don't mean to get off topic, but just out of curiosity, where do you rank the Spurs trio? Wade/Marion/Beasley would already be better than Parker/Ginobili/Duncan?

Naa. I was strictly ranking them in the Eastern conf. Spurs trio has to be tops in the league or at worst case scenario top 3 with the Lakers (KB, Odom, Gasol) & Celtics (Garnett, Pierce, Ray). The spurs tio has alot of rings to influence their position.