Selfish Players

[Brankles]

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Just my opinion, but I thought he had his fair share of selfish moments in the Olympics. Some terrible, terrible shot selection in given situations where he could have helped get the team a much better shot.

Yep, the Olympics he was basically the only dude on the court not playing team ball, and easily the most selfish player on the team. I cringed when he touched it in the half-court offense.

It doesn't mean a lot when a guy shoots with bad team mates... but when he's running with the other 4 best players in the world and he's still firing up contested shot after contested shot early in the shot clock... that says a lot to me.


And I can't tell if he's selfish or just dumb... but Stromile Swift takes a lot of ridiculous shots that he can't ever make. I haven't watched him since he went back to Memphis, but some of the Rockets games I saw him play it was absolutely horrible.

[Stumbleweed]

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J.R. Smith taking and making 30-foot threes is my favorite thing ever. Most of his threes are from 2-3 steps behind the line and he still shoots 40%+... love it.

And yeah, my vote would go to Ricky Davis just for the triple-double story. That makes me smile whenever I think about it. Also he did a between-the-legs dunk in-game for the first time, and many people would consider that selfish. I consider both cases to be awesomely selfish, but I love that dude too haha... I guess I like most selfish players except for Wally World.

[bucksfan07]

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Mo Williams: he plays for himself and himself only, good luck Lebron....

[Brankles]

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Mo Williams: he plays for himself and himself only, good luck Lebron....

He's a fantasy basketball beast, though

[ex carrabba fan]

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Past few years? I think you mean the past year. His pre-season whine-fest and all the trade me brouhaha didn't lessen the selfish stigma.


Anyways, Kobe. Yeah it's the obvious answer, but it's true.


Ricky Davis is a selfish mofo too, that's definitely one guy i would hate to have on my team. Stephon Marbury is (or at the very least, was) up there too.

Are we talkin on the court or off it? I don't give a rat's *** about off the court.. neither did the Lakers I guess since they made it to the Finals.

OK talk to me about this past year then. "Selfish, ballhog", seems like some agendas there for sure. The strides he took as far as being more of a leader and team player were tremendous.

As far as the Olympics, I'll totally agree that he took bad shots almost every game. That being said, it was only 7 or so games. That said we needed him to take the most shots period to win the Gold.

I still have KoME in the top 5 as far as "selfish.ballgog.blackhole" but to say it's "Kobe obviously" is more agenda and personal bias by the same guys here who try to paint him a certain color.

How can it not be Carmelo? He's at the top of my list.

[Da_Czar]

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Curry & Z-Bo might be the worst black hole combination in league history. Jamal Crawford and Gil are bad as well, but Kobe is still the king.

Marbury is probably the most misconstrued "selfish" player. He's selfish in terms of being a baby, going into a shell, not hustling at times but I wouldn't describe his actual game as selfish, just his attitude.

I like that concept of seperating the attitude from the gameplay as being selfish.....

[ex carrabba fan]

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Seriously. Calling Kobe selfish after 05 makes sense. After the 2007-2008 season? Not so much.

I'll add crazy *** Deshawn Stevenson.

Same dudes. Same tired posts.

[vaballer34]

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I've seen a few post here that hinted at bad shot selections=selfish player....if thats the case then how come D-Wade's name hasn't come up yet? He forced alot of shots and had alot of turnovers in the Olympics and he plays the same during the season. I'm not hating on him because I feel a healthy D-Wade is Top 7 in the league but if you feel Kobe and Jordan are selfish then the same can be said about Wade.

[ex carrabba fan]

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No offense, but who the F cares about the F'ing Olympics when it comes to this subject?

You're really going to take 7 games, and use that as evidence? Get the Hell out.

Also, a player that is King of Selfish who is also the best player on his team, isn't going to end up in the Finals.

[vaballer34]

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No offense, but who the F cares about the F'ing Olympics when it comes to this subject?

You're really going to take 7 games, and use that as evidence? Get the Hell out.

Also, a player that is King of Selfish who is also the best player on his team, isn't going to end up in the Finals.

If you read my post again I said the way Wade played in the Olympics is the same way he plays during the season. I'm using the Olympics as an example because that is the most recent showing of a healthy Wade.

Even before the Olympics I felt this way about Wade. If you watch him play during the season you'll see that he takes bad shot selections and turns the ball over quite a bit. If you mention Kobe and Jordan as being selfish why can't you mention D-Wade?

[ex carrabba fan]

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If you read my post again I said the way Wade played in the Olympics is the same way he plays during the season. I'm using the Olympics as an example because that is the most recent showing of a healthy Wade.

Even before the Olympics I felt this way about Wade. If you watch him play during the season you'll see that he takes bad shot selections and turns the ball over quite a bit. If you mention Kobe and Jordan as being selfish why can't you mention D-Wade?

My bad vaballer, I actually wasn't even referring directly to you.. my point was more for those who use the Olympics against Bryant.

I don't agree nor disagree with your point on Wade. I don't personally think he's top 5 selfish though.

[KG]

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definately larry hughes. During his contract yr with the Wiz he was clearly going for his.

He was really nice that year. Only way to motivate him might be to keep giving him 1yr deals.

I think Gil is very selfish in everything he does. It seems like he always wants attention.

[vaballer34]

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My bad vaballer, I actually wasn't even referring directly to you.. my point was more for those who use the Olympics against Bryant.

I don't agree nor disagree with your point on Wade. I don't personally think he's top 5 selfish though.

Its all good carrabba...no harm done. I think some people here feel that whoever takes the most shots means they are the most selfish when thats not the case.

Before this past season in order for the Lakers to have a chance to win Kobe needed to score at least 30-40 point a night and thats because his teammates could not step up and prove themselves. Kobe doesn't take those shots to pat his stats. He takes those shots because he is tryin to get his team a win. The same can be said about Jordan, A.I., Bron, Wade, ect. This might sound crazy but I feel Sasha Vujacic is more selfish than Kobe.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Its all good carrabba...no harm done. I think some people here feel that whoever takes the most shots means they are the most selfish when thats not the case.

Before this past season in order for the Lakers to have a chance to win Kobe needed to score at least 30-40 point a night and thats because his teammates could not step up and prove themselves. Kobe doesn't take those shots to pat his stats. He takes those shots because he is tryin to get his team a win. The same can be said about Jordan, A.I., Bron, Wade, ect. This might sound crazy but I feel Sasha Vujacic is more selfish than Kobe.

See there's a lot to this subject.

This is why it's unfair to talk about bench guys.. their roles are different on different teams. Sasha is basically free to launch threes off the pine. If he ever started, yeah I know he won't anytime soon, he'd have to change up his game a bunch. Same thing with JR Smith.. coming off the bench he's supposed to provide an offensive spark right?

Every team is in a different competitive situation. Durant can go crazy in Seattle.. Mayo will go crazy in Memphis.. etc.

Also is the subject talking about on the court, ballhoging wise? Selfish can personify itself in many faucets, it's not that simple to say so and so is the most selfish.

What is the main point of the topic?

[ehh]

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No offense, but who the F cares about the F'ing Olympics when it comes to this subject?

You're really going to take 7 games, and use that as evidence? Get the Hell out.

Uh, how can you not? It's arguably the biggest stage possible with the most on the line. And we should just ignore it?

And I'm not some Kobe *****, I don't get involved in any of the 50-page pissing matches on OS about Kobe. I like watching Kobe for the most part but there are still plenty of times where I scratch my head and say, "What the hell is he thinking?"

Kobe's going to take all the big shots on the Lakers, that's fine, even if it's a forced or ill-advised shots - I get that. But as a complete basketball player there are times when I question his bball IQ and his selfishness.

I guess I put Kobe as #1 because of his stature. Obviously anyone can chose to disgaree with that.