Iverson to Pistons for Billups/McDyess

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Iverson to Pistons for Billups/McDyess

Cavs? LOL

Because AI instantly makes the Pistons better than the Cavs?

lolz

[DC]

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Allen Iverson + Will Bynum = irresponsible game. Those of you who watched full games of Maccabi Tel Aviv know what I'm talking about.

[Vince]

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The Cavs can offer LeBron more money than any other team. LeBron's not going to take less money to go to Detroit. If he leaves the Cavs, it's only going to be for a bigger market where he'll make up the difference between the contracts through endorsements.

More than Greece? lol

[youvalss]

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I know you love Will Bynum, but I think this guy had one of the highest turnover numbers in the Euroleague. I saw him losing balls so many times like a 14 y/o guy who plays in his junior high team. I'm sorry, he's extremely talented but he just can't make smart decisions.

[Juice Malone]

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that's not true

I think it is and its not an insult to him. Some players are just system players. Yao Ming is another example.

He is a guy that needs a system built for him in order to have the most success. Sure he can probably score 20 something a game with 10 year olds on his team, but if you want to get the most out of him you need a system in place that gets him the ball and uses him in the most efficient manner possible. If not then it is less likely (not impossible though, hes never had a team like the Pistons) that your team will be successful.

Why do you think AI started alongside Eric Snow in Philadelphia? Wasnt because eric snow was a great PG. I could throw a rock and find a better starting NBA PG. It was because he was the best piece available for them to use as part of a system that allowed AI to excel.

I really hope that AI will prove me wrong though. He has always been a favorite of mine and if he can give the Pistons that scoring edge they need while still getting all their talented player involved in the game it would be a great achievement.

Its funny though. If he wins a championship, you know he is the next KG right? A player that was always acknowledged as being great, but either not good enough to win a ring or never had the pieces around him needed to win a ring. If he wins it all he is instantly a legendary first ballot hall of famer. Crazy what a ring does for your legacy.

[JBH3]

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Yah I don't know why JB and GSW got so riled up. It's evident that he's not a point guard.

Please man...you incite that kind of reaction w/ a lot of your posts.

After looking at some analysis, and reading some of the articles on ESPN I think this deal was a great move by Detroit.

Iverson is as great a scorer as they come, and will give them that edge they need in the 4th Qtr. He will deflect a lot of attention off of Rip too...Plus they get for 1 yr...If it doesn't work out, and all of this blows up in Detroits face then they just wash thier hands of it and they have Rodney Stuckey to fill the void.

Now they've got a nice chunk of Cap space, have already extended Rip, and have moved McD in favor of going younger and letting their talents in Maxiell and Amir Johnson develop.

I don't see what is so bad about this move. They're still going to be a playoff team, and Iverson can be that deciding factor late in games that pushes them over the top; but if he isn't then, again, its no harm no foul, as Stuckey is a nice young talent, and Iverson can go away w/ Detroit left w/ very nice cap flexibility.

[P2K]

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You shouldn't ask that question, because you don't follow him as a die hard fan would. So, do not try to pretend you know what was the situation in Denver like.

1.) You're not my father.
2.) This situation is very familar. Sorry.

that's not true

It's true. It's damn true.

[bomberooski]

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Please man...you incite that kind of reaction w/ a lot of your posts.

After looking at some analysis, and reading some of the articles on ESPN I think this deal was a great move by Detroit.

Iverson is as great a scorer as they come, and will give them that edge they need in the 4th Qtr. He will deflect a lot of attention off of Rip too...Plus they get for 1 yr...If it doesn't work out, and all of this blows up in Detroits face then they just wash thier hands of it and they have Rodney Stuckey to fill the void.

Now they've got a nice chunk of Cap space, have already extended Rip, and have moved McD in favor of going younger and letting their talents in Maxiell and Amir Johnson develop.

I don't see what is so bad about this move. They're still going to be a playoff team, and Iverson can be that deciding factor late in games that pushes them over the top; but if he isn't then, again, its no harm no foul, as Stuckey is a nice young talent, and Iverson can go away w/ Detroit left w/ very nice cap flexibility.

Very well worded post. I agree 100%. The nice thing for the Pistons is that they play in the east and will make it to the playoffs with either Billups or A.I. This way they get to roll the dice and see what A.I. can do with this team in the post season. But mainly the Pistons get a bunch of cap room to make their team younger which is important for the future if you're a Pistons fan. (Spurs should take note)

[ex carrabba fan]

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Please man...you incite that kind of reaction w/ a lot of your posts.

After looking at some analysis, and reading some of the articles on ESPN I think this deal was a great move by Detroit.

Iverson is as great a scorer as they come, and will give them that edge they need in the 4th Qtr. He will deflect a lot of attention off of Rip too...Plus they get for 1 yr...If it doesn't work out, and all of this blows up in Detroits face then they just wash thier hands of it and they have Rodney Stuckey to fill the void.

Now they've got a nice chunk of Cap space, have already extended Rip, and have moved McD in favor of going younger and letting their talents in Maxiell and Amir Johnson develop.

I don't see what is so bad about this move. They're still going to be a playoff team, and Iverson can be that deciding factor late in games that pushes them over the top; but if he isn't then, again, its no harm no foul, as Stuckey is a nice young talent, and Iverson can go away w/ Detroit left w/ very nice cap flexibility.

See the problem is you're sensitive. You don't even care to read my posts.

You missed where I repeatedly stated the move was great because it'll clear 30 million in cap space. Need me to quote myself?

What exactly did I say to incite your complete overreaction?

I simply said the Pistons won't win a title this year with A.I., something a majority of the posters here agree with.

I said A.I. isn't a point guard, once again, something a number of basketball fans tend to agree with.

You simply overreacted and looked like you took it personal that I don't think the world of A.I.

Especially with your comment of "go muck up a Laker thread".

[JBH3]

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See the problem is you're sensitive. You don't even care to read my posts.

You missed where I repeatedly stated the move was great because it'll clear 30 million in cap space. Need me to quote myself?

What exactly did I say to incite your complete overreaction?

I simply said the Pistons won't win a title this year with A.I., something a majority of the posters here agree with.

I said A.I. isn't a point guard, once again, something a number of basketball fans tend to agree with.

You simply overreacted and looked like you took it personal that I don't think the world of A.I.

Especially with your comment of "go muck up a Laker thread".

My 1st post in this thread was #96...So sorry if I missed out on all your fabulous insight.



And just so you understand where I'm coming from...

It was all your comments like these...

'And stop with the 01 Sixers comparisons too. That was Ivo in his prime, 7 years ago'

'Guys stop giving me AI's assist numbers. Look at him play every night, he's not a point guard.'

Its like you're sitting here trying to make the case that what you've said is the gospel on Iverson.

I didn't take it personal at all about. Say what you want to say about A.I. You wanted to make your case for why he isn't a PG, and I disagreed...Because he's better than a PG he's a scorer who can/will dish too as evident by his assits avg per gm. To me that makes him better than Jose Calderon running the point, but thats just my opinion which I'm entitled too. However...You want me to stop giving it to you because what you've said about 'IVO' is 'da truth boyyyyyyyyyy'.

[DC]

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Yea JHB you did overreact man. Nobody really disrespected AI in this post. Folks are just speaking basketball facts

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah you disagreed with my assessment [which is completely fine by me, happens everyday here], and then proceeded to say something to the effect of "you're not some endless book of basketball knowledge". I mean seriously? Then you tell me to "muck up a Laker thread". Seems a little personal to me at least.

There were a ton of other posters who spoke the same exact "gospel" as I did on the subject of A.I... Dre, P2K to name a few.. but carry on.

[Juice Malone]

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You are putting to much emphasis on stats.

My numbers would go up to if i played on a team that lets the opposition score, so we can get the ball back sooner.

Denver has led the league in possesions per game since AI arrived. I wish I knew how to look it up, but im willing to bet that the 01 Sixers had 10-20 less possesions per game than the 08 Nuggets.

His scoring numbers are still high because his team played no D and shot the ball early in the shot clock not because he is just as good as when he was an MVP.

[JBH3]

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The nice thing for the Pistons is that they play in the east and will make it to the playoffs with either Billups or A.I. This way they get to roll the dice and see what A.I. can do with this team in the post season. But mainly the Pistons get a bunch of cap room to make their team younger which is important for the future if you're a Pistons fan. (Spurs should take note)

Yup...its a win-win if Iverson carries them further than Chauncey would've, or if he doesn't and they part ways.

Barring some major injury to a key Celtic it was unlikely that Detroit could topple Boston...They would most likely contend the same way they did the last couple of yrs.

When you've reached the Playoffs 7 straight times, have brought back mostly the same team every yr, and have won one ring thru that span it was probably time to make a change like this.

A lot has happened in the East since Detroit won in 2004. The landscape has completely changed in the West too. Yet Detroit was bringing back roughly the same team every yr, and the so-called chemistry they were supposed to have didn't translate into more titles - just a nice season.

It was time to make a move like this.

[JBH3]

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Yeah you disagreed with my assessment [which is completely fine by me, happens everyday here], and then proceeded to say something to the effect of "you're not some endless book of basketball knowledge". I mean seriously? Then you tell me to "muck up a Laker thread". Seems a little personal to me at least.

There were a ton of other posters who spoke the same exact "gospel" as I did on the subject of A.I... Dre, P2K to name a few.. but carry on.

Again...post #96 was my 1st here, and I didn't really care to read 95 other posts before posting.

Whats so different between me saying...

'Go muck it up in a Laker thread'....,

and you saying...

'people stop giving me this, stop giving me that'.

To me its like you're trying to come off like 'an endless book of basketball knowledge'...Because in your mind you've already analyzed the deal, and have come up w/ the best analyis of it...but sure take the high road now.

Maybe DC can give us all a lesson in competitive talk here too.