What scorer gives D's the biggest headaches?

**KvN_6** · 05-21-2003, 09:22 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

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Do you watch basketball? Dirk is underrated if anything.

How many 7-footers in NBA history can you name that average 26 points and 12 rebounds and shoot 49 percent from the field, 47 percent on 3-pointers, and 91 percent from the line?

That's what Dirk's done IN THE PLAYOFFS!! He's hit 30 points six times, and 40 twice. He's also recorded 20 rebounds twice in the playoffs.

AI's a ball hog. How many 7-for-30s do you have to suffer through?

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I&#8217;ll say it again, he ain&#8217;t squat without, Finley and/or Nash. At least AI got his team to the finals without a reliable scorer. Dirk has two others, and still can&#8217;t get there, so how good is he really?? And of course he would avg. at least 10rebs. a game, he&#8217;s 7&#8217;0&#8221;!!! If you are that tall and can&#8217;t rebound, you put shame to your profession. He only shoots that high because people have to worry about Nash and Finley. When Finley was out his shooting percentage was nowhere near that, and Nash became a non factor, so give me another reason of why he&#8217;s so good??? Iverson shoots bad at times but he still is right there in fg% with Kobe, Bibby, Mash, and Payton. Its funny how you could call AI a ball hog when averages more asst then you starting point Nash. Check the stats.

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<hr /></blockquote> Um you are so wrong it's not funny, put the Mavs in the east and they'd go to the finals every yera bud, and NOONE can argue that!! The sixers please they would have a hard time MAKING the playoffs if they were in the west, get it straight!!

Oh P.S. the reason Iverson gets more assists is that he plays 10 more mins a game and the sixers DO NOT swing the ball like the Mavs, if they did swing it more Iversons assists would go down, and I didn't even mention that Nash shares time with a All Star caliber PG in Van Exel.

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You are right that Dallas would win in the east and philly might struggle to make the playoffs. However look at the players on Nashs team compared to AI's.

There is absolutely no comparison. Nash has got Nowitzki, Finley, and Van Exel. AI has got big bad Keith Van Horn.

If you replace Nash with Ai the sixers dont make the playoffs. Nash is a good player but he is not on AIs level. Nash also has better teammates and thats why he gets more assists. If AI had Nashs team he would be getting at least 10 assists a game.

<hr /></blockquote> Any how why did Nash get drug in this??? He wasn't even on the list damn! And AI would NOT average 10 assists on the Mavs. He would have a better shooting percentage though. I'd take Nash over A.I. any day cause he's a team player and a far superior shooter and passer. Nash shoots 30 times a game i promise he'll shoot better than A.I. would and he'd prolly score more seeing how much better a shooter he was. He may not get to the line as much but he'd make just as many FT's because he's a better shooter. Don't believe me look at his olympic tapes Nash is a stud. And the reason the Sixers don't have decent players around A.I is because to big time free agents will not come there cause of A.I. in a way he's to selfish to share the load more, that's why Stackhouse, Hughes, and others have been traded and basically gotten nothing in return. The y can't get a nother great scorer cause it might upset A.I. the crybaby. I mean for cripes sake the guy complains if he sits 2 min a game it's just plain selfish. A.I. should take Snows example and do what ever it takes to win even if that means NOT taking terrible shots and not whining about your team when you go 7 for 32. He is the prime example of whats wrong with todays players.

**KvN_6** · 05-21-2003, 09:22 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

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Erod said:
Do you watch basketball? Dirk is underrated if anything.

How many 7-footers in NBA history can you name that average 26 points and 12 rebounds and shoot 49 percent from the field, 47 percent on 3-pointers, and 91 percent from the line?

That's what Dirk's done IN THE PLAYOFFS!! He's hit 30 points six times, and 40 twice. He's also recorded 20 rebounds twice in the playoffs.

AI's a ball hog. How many 7-for-30s do you have to suffer through?

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I&#8217;ll say it again, he ain&#8217;t squat without, Finley and/or Nash. At least AI got his team to the finals without a reliable scorer. Dirk has two others, and still can&#8217;t get there, so how good is he really?? And of course he would avg. at least 10rebs. a game, he&#8217;s 7&#8217;0&#8221;!!! If you are that tall and can&#8217;t rebound, you put shame to your profession. He only shoots that high because people have to worry about Nash and Finley. When Finley was out his shooting percentage was nowhere near that, and Nash became a non factor, so give me another reason of why he&#8217;s so good??? Iverson shoots bad at times but he still is right there in fg% with Kobe, Bibby, Mash, and Payton. Its funny how you could call AI a ball hog when averages more asst then you starting point Nash. Check the stats.

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And you were saying???

<hr /></blockquote> Um you are so wrong it's not funny, put the Mavs in the east and they'd go to the finals every yera bud, and NOONE can argue that!! The sixers please they would have a hard time MAKING the playoffs if they were in the west, get it straight!!

Oh P.S. the reason Iverson gets more assists is that he plays 10 more mins a game and the sixers DO NOT swing the ball like the Mavs, if they did swing it more Iversons assists would go down, and I didn't even mention that Nash shares time with a All Star caliber PG in Van Exel.

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You are right that Dallas would win in the east and philly might struggle to make the playoffs. However look at the players on Nashs team compared to AI's.

There is absolutely no comparison. Nash has got Nowitzki, Finley, and Van Exel. AI has got big bad Keith Van Horn.

If you replace Nash with Ai the sixers dont make the playoffs. Nash is a good player but he is not on AIs level. Nash also has better teammates and thats why he gets more assists. If AI had Nashs team he would be getting at least 10 assists a game.

<hr /></blockquote> Any how why did Nash get drug in this??? He wasn't even on the list damn! And AI would NOT average 10 assists on the Mavs. He would have a better shooting percentage though. I'd take Nash over A.I. any day cause he's a team player and a far superior shooter and passer. Nash shoots 30 times a game i promise he'll shoot better than A.I. would and he'd prolly score more seeing how much better a shooter he was. He may not get to the line as much but he'd make just as many FT's because he's a better shooter. Don't believe me look at his olympic tapes Nash is a stud. And the reason the Sixers don't have decent players around A.I is because to big time free agents will not come there cause of A.I. in a way he's to selfish to share the load more, that's why Stackhouse, Hughes, and others have been traded and basically gotten nothing in return. The y can't get a nother great scorer cause it might upset A.I. the crybaby. I mean for cripes sake the guy complains if he sits 2 min a game it's just plain selfish. A.I. should take Snows example and do what ever it takes to win even if that means NOT taking terrible shots and not whining about your team when you go 7 for 32. He is the prime example of whats wrong with todays players.

**ZigZag** · 05-21-2003, 09:53 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

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schindeler said:
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Erod said:
Do you watch basketball? Dirk is underrated if anything.

How many 7-footers in NBA history can you name that average 26 points and 12 rebounds and shoot 49 percent from the field, 47 percent on 3-pointers, and 91 percent from the line?

That's what Dirk's done IN THE PLAYOFFS!! He's hit 30 points six times, and 40 twice. He's also recorded 20 rebounds twice in the playoffs.

AI's a ball hog. How many 7-for-30s do you have to suffer through?

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I&#8217;ll say it again, he ain&#8217;t squat without, Finley and/or Nash. At least AI got his team to the finals without a reliable scorer. Dirk has two others, and still can&#8217;t get there, so how good is he really?? And of course he would avg. at least 10rebs. a game, he&#8217;s 7&#8217;0&#8221;!!! If you are that tall and can&#8217;t rebound, you put shame to your profession. He only shoots that high because people have to worry about Nash and Finley. When Finley was out his shooting percentage was nowhere near that, and Nash became a non factor, so give me another reason of why he&#8217;s so good??? Iverson shoots bad at times but he still is right there in fg% with Kobe, Bibby, Mash, and Payton. Its funny how you could call AI a ball hog when averages more asst then you starting point Nash. Check the stats.

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And you were saying???

<hr /></blockquote> Um you are so wrong it's not funny, put the Mavs in the east and they'd go to the finals every yera bud, and NOONE can argue that!! The sixers please they would have a hard time MAKING the playoffs if they were in the west, get it straight!!

Oh P.S. the reason Iverson gets more assists is that he plays 10 more mins a game and the sixers DO NOT swing the ball like the Mavs, if they did swing it more Iversons assists would go down, and I didn't even mention that Nash shares time with a All Star caliber PG in Van Exel.

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You are right that Dallas would win in the east and philly might struggle to make the playoffs. However look at the players on Nashs team compared to AI's.

There is absolutely no comparison. Nash has got Nowitzki, Finley, and Van Exel. AI has got big bad Keith Van Horn.

If you replace Nash with Ai the sixers dont make the playoffs. Nash is a good player but he is not on AIs level. Nash also has better teammates and thats why he gets more assists. If AI had Nashs team he would be getting at least 10 assists a game.

<hr /></blockquote> Any how why did Nash get drug in this??? He wasn't even on the list damn! And AI would NOT average 10 assists on the Mavs. He would have a better shooting percentage though. I'd take Nash over A.I. any day cause he's a team player and a far superior shooter and passer. Nash shoots 30 times a game i promise he'll shoot better than A.I. would and he'd prolly score more seeing how much better a shooter he was. He may not get to the line as much but he'd make just as many FT's because he's a better shooter. Don't believe me look at his olympic tapes Nash is a stud. And the reason the Sixers don't have decent players around A.I is because to big time free agents will not come there cause of A.I. in a way he's to selfish to share the load more, that's why Stackhouse, Hughes, and others have been traded and basically gotten nothing in return. The y can't get a nother great scorer cause it might upset A.I. the crybaby. I mean for cripes sake the guy complains if he sits 2 min a game it's just plain selfish. A.I. should take Snows example and do what ever it takes to win even if that means NOT taking terrible shots and not whining about your team when you go 7 for 32. He is the prime example of whats wrong with todays players.

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Nash wouldn’t score as nearly as many points in the East as he would out west. The East has the best guards in the league. Just cause a guy can shoot doesn’t necessarily make him a scorer. Tim Legler, Steve Kerr, and Jeff Hornacek were all great clutch shooters but, they weren’t scorers. Nash wouldn’t last night in and night out against, T-mac, Paul Pierce, Baron Davis, Jason Kidd, Ricky Davis, Spree, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups, Sam Cassell, and others. So don’t be so naïve, I can’t believe someone would say something so, idiotic. AI would definitely avg over 10 asst. a game, because unlike the Sixers role players, the Mavs can actually shoot!!! Stack and Hughes are horrible complimentary players, they couldn’t even play with Jordan, so don’t bring that up, cause that’s a bad example. He would welcome anybody who could handle the burden. Shoot, he welcomed Keith when he first came, until he found out he was garbage. Iverson does do whatever it takes to win, that’s why he’s played with broken hands and bad knees, because his team needs him. He is the perfect example for heart, and the example of what’s right. Maybe Vince Carter should take some advice from him, instead of partying with Nelly. Never question AI’s heart, if your taking anything from him, you can’t take that. He has more heart than any other player in the game.

**ZigZag** · 05-21-2003, 09:53 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

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schindeler said:
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Erod said:
Do you watch basketball? Dirk is underrated if anything.

How many 7-footers in NBA history can you name that average 26 points and 12 rebounds and shoot 49 percent from the field, 47 percent on 3-pointers, and 91 percent from the line?

That's what Dirk's done IN THE PLAYOFFS!! He's hit 30 points six times, and 40 twice. He's also recorded 20 rebounds twice in the playoffs.

AI's a ball hog. How many 7-for-30s do you have to suffer through?

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I&#8217;ll say it again, he ain&#8217;t squat without, Finley and/or Nash. At least AI got his team to the finals without a reliable scorer. Dirk has two others, and still can&#8217;t get there, so how good is he really?? And of course he would avg. at least 10rebs. a game, he&#8217;s 7&#8217;0&#8221;!!! If you are that tall and can&#8217;t rebound, you put shame to your profession. He only shoots that high because people have to worry about Nash and Finley. When Finley was out his shooting percentage was nowhere near that, and Nash became a non factor, so give me another reason of why he&#8217;s so good??? Iverson shoots bad at times but he still is right there in fg% with Kobe, Bibby, Mash, and Payton. Its funny how you could call AI a ball hog when averages more asst then you starting point Nash. Check the stats.

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And you were saying???

<hr /></blockquote> Um you are so wrong it's not funny, put the Mavs in the east and they'd go to the finals every yera bud, and NOONE can argue that!! The sixers please they would have a hard time MAKING the playoffs if they were in the west, get it straight!!

Oh P.S. the reason Iverson gets more assists is that he plays 10 more mins a game and the sixers DO NOT swing the ball like the Mavs, if they did swing it more Iversons assists would go down, and I didn't even mention that Nash shares time with a All Star caliber PG in Van Exel.

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You are right that Dallas would win in the east and philly might struggle to make the playoffs. However look at the players on Nashs team compared to AI's.

There is absolutely no comparison. Nash has got Nowitzki, Finley, and Van Exel. AI has got big bad Keith Van Horn.

If you replace Nash with Ai the sixers dont make the playoffs. Nash is a good player but he is not on AIs level. Nash also has better teammates and thats why he gets more assists. If AI had Nashs team he would be getting at least 10 assists a game.

<hr /></blockquote> Any how why did Nash get drug in this??? He wasn't even on the list damn! And AI would NOT average 10 assists on the Mavs. He would have a better shooting percentage though. I'd take Nash over A.I. any day cause he's a team player and a far superior shooter and passer. Nash shoots 30 times a game i promise he'll shoot better than A.I. would and he'd prolly score more seeing how much better a shooter he was. He may not get to the line as much but he'd make just as many FT's because he's a better shooter. Don't believe me look at his olympic tapes Nash is a stud. And the reason the Sixers don't have decent players around A.I is because to big time free agents will not come there cause of A.I. in a way he's to selfish to share the load more, that's why Stackhouse, Hughes, and others have been traded and basically gotten nothing in return. The y can't get a nother great scorer cause it might upset A.I. the crybaby. I mean for cripes sake the guy complains if he sits 2 min a game it's just plain selfish. A.I. should take Snows example and do what ever it takes to win even if that means NOT taking terrible shots and not whining about your team when you go 7 for 32. He is the prime example of whats wrong with todays players.

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Nash wouldn’t score as nearly as many points in the East as he would out west. The East has the best guards in the league. Just cause a guy can shoot doesn’t necessarily make him a scorer. Tim Legler, Steve Kerr, and Jeff Hornacek were all great clutch shooters but, they weren’t scorers. Nash wouldn’t last night in and night out against, T-mac, Paul Pierce, Baron Davis, Jason Kidd, Ricky Davis, Spree, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups, Sam Cassell, and others. So don’t be so naïve, I can’t believe someone would say something so, idiotic. AI would definitely avg over 10 asst. a game, because unlike the Sixers role players, the Mavs can actually shoot!!! Stack and Hughes are horrible complimentary players, they couldn’t even play with Jordan, so don’t bring that up, cause that’s a bad example. He would welcome anybody who could handle the burden. Shoot, he welcomed Keith when he first came, until he found out he was garbage. Iverson does do whatever it takes to win, that’s why he’s played with broken hands and bad knees, because his team needs him. He is the perfect example for heart, and the example of what’s right. Maybe Vince Carter should take some advice from him, instead of partying with Nelly. Never question AI’s heart, if your taking anything from him, you can’t take that. He has more heart than any other player in the game.

**Bad_Intentions** · 05-21-2003, 10:16 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Ok lets not get carried away here, Nash is a fine PG, but he's never going to average close to 30 a game no matter what conference he plays in. AI wouldnt get 10 assists per game on the Mavs, he wouldnt play PG, and wouldnt handle the ball nearly as much as he does with Philly. If he were on the Mavs he wouldnt be the sole key to the offense.

**Bad_Intentions** · 05-21-2003, 10:16 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Ok lets not get carried away here, Nash is a fine PG, but he's never going to average close to 30 a game no matter what conference he plays in. AI wouldnt get 10 assists per game on the Mavs, he wouldnt play PG, and wouldnt handle the ball nearly as much as he does with Philly. If he were on the Mavs he wouldnt be the sole key to the offense.

**KvN_6** · 05-21-2003, 10:21 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Well I was trying to make the point that Nash would shoot a better percentage than A.I. if he were to take 30 shots, but he is not that type of player. And A.I. is a ballhog.

**KvN_6** · 05-21-2003, 10:21 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Well I was trying to make the point that Nash would shoot a better percentage than A.I. if he were to take 30 shots, but he is not that type of player. And A.I. is a ballhog.

**TheMatrix31** · 05-21-2003, 10:24 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

ZigZag.......please try to spell NOWITZKI right.

Nowitzki gives D the most headaches. He can put the ball on the floor for a 7 footer, and can pull back and nail anything he takes. He can finish too. A NIGHTMARE for defenders....he controls the ball, Finley and Nash help, but cmon, his production would not come down that much, maybe a couple of points. His FT is ridiculous, his FG% is ridiculous, his 3pt% is downright NASTY for a 7 footer.

If he played more D, he's the best player in the league easy.

**TheMatrix31** · 05-21-2003, 10:24 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

ZigZag.......please try to spell NOWITZKI right.

Nowitzki gives D the most headaches. He can put the ball on the floor for a 7 footer, and can pull back and nail anything he takes. He can finish too. A NIGHTMARE for defenders....he controls the ball, Finley and Nash help, but cmon, his production would not come down that much, maybe a couple of points. His FT is ridiculous, his FG% is ridiculous, his 3pt% is downright NASTY for a 7 footer.

If he played more D, he's the best player in the league easy.

**silky4** · 05-22-2003, 12:51 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Just to defend my man A.I., the Sixers' offense is predicated on Iverson taking a lot of shots. They don't care if he misses or not, because Larry Brown stacks that team with lunch-pail type players who crash the offensive glass. The whole offense is to set a multitude of screens for Iverson, he creates a shot, then go get the rebound and start over. That's how they got to the Finals in 2001. This year, he had more options in Coleman and Van Horn. Of course, Van Horn proved to be soft as ever, but Coleman provided much needed low-post offense.

Iverson DOES do whatever it takes to win games, as evidenced by those games in which his shot is off, he puts more energy into setting up teammates. I believe that game where he shot 5-25, he still had 14 points, 8 rebounds and 9 assists.

Plus, he's one of the best off-the-ball defenders in the league, a true hawk in the passing lanes, and, despite his lack of size, he somehow does NOT get abused in the post. Even Richard Hamilton, who's got a 7 inch height advantage on him, couldn't consistently score in the post.

But I will say this: his perimeter man-to-man on-ball defense needs either work, or effort. I'd say effort, because you know he's got the footspeed NOT to get beaten off the dribble, but he does anyway.

So, let's not fault A.I. for low shooting percentages, because their whole offense is based upon him jacking up shots. Let's reserve judgement until after the Olympics, when he gets a chance to play with better teammates.

**silky4** · 05-22-2003, 12:51 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Just to defend my man A.I., the Sixers' offense is predicated on Iverson taking a lot of shots. They don't care if he misses or not, because Larry Brown stacks that team with lunch-pail type players who crash the offensive glass. The whole offense is to set a multitude of screens for Iverson, he creates a shot, then go get the rebound and start over. That's how they got to the Finals in 2001. This year, he had more options in Coleman and Van Horn. Of course, Van Horn proved to be soft as ever, but Coleman provided much needed low-post offense.

Iverson DOES do whatever it takes to win games, as evidenced by those games in which his shot is off, he puts more energy into setting up teammates. I believe that game where he shot 5-25, he still had 14 points, 8 rebounds and 9 assists.

Plus, he's one of the best off-the-ball defenders in the league, a true hawk in the passing lanes, and, despite his lack of size, he somehow does NOT get abused in the post. Even Richard Hamilton, who's got a 7 inch height advantage on him, couldn't consistently score in the post.

But I will say this: his perimeter man-to-man on-ball defense needs either work, or effort. I'd say effort, because you know he's got the footspeed NOT to get beaten off the dribble, but he does anyway.

So, let's not fault A.I. for low shooting percentages, because their whole offense is based upon him jacking up shots. Let's reserve judgement until after the Olympics, when he gets a chance to play with better teammates.

**Bad_Intentions** · 05-22-2003, 02:05 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Most of what you say is True, but take a look at Orlando, Tmac is clearly the man on their offense. He is 3rd in the league in FG's attemted and he managed to shoot about 46% from the field. He is good off ball defender, but he gambles alot, when he doesnt get steals he often gives up easy buckets. And although Hamilton is 6'7 he doesnt have a shred of a post up game. He is a jumpshooter/slasher. He couldn't score on me in the post.

**Bad_Intentions** · 05-22-2003, 02:05 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Most of what you say is True, but take a look at Orlando, Tmac is clearly the man on their offense. He is 3rd in the league in FG's attemted and he managed to shoot about 46% from the field. He is good off ball defender, but he gambles alot, when he doesnt get steals he often gives up easy buckets. And although Hamilton is 6'7 he doesnt have a shred of a post up game. He is a jumpshooter/slasher. He couldn't score on me in the post.

**RockinDaMike** · 05-22-2003, 02:24 PM

Re: What scorer gives D\'s the biggest headaches?

Its gotta be shaq....who will ever come up with a game plan called hack-a-shaq as their means to slow down a player. Certain players in the west were drafted so it could be there answer to stop shaq....no other player gets that much attention.
And Bad _Intentions, i can score on you in the post

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