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  • HMcCoy
    All Star
    • Jan 2003
    • 8212

    #151
    Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

    Originally posted by Bornindamecca
    Lebron needs a post up game, but not necessarily a "back down" game. If he can get his turnaround to be reliable from about 12-16 feet, that is perfect. From that distance he can turn and face up, see the double teams coming, pass to cutters, swing the ball around the perimeter for the other post or take the shot. The bonus is that is too far out to deny him position. It also neutralizes smaller opponents who may fare better against his penetration. This element in his game is what is truly necessary to making him unstoppable within a 5 man concept.

    Right now, there will be rough pages in the playoffs for him to generate a 5 man offense from an effective dribble/drive position. Sometimes it will be there, but other times it won't. From the post position, other people can initiate plays while remains a threat. His jumpshot, on the other hand, is not as necessary from his growth, because in an ideal offense, your 6'8" forward isn't taking the bulk of the 3 pointers and 18 footers, but rather making those shots easier for smaller players.
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    • KG
      Welcome Back
      • Sep 2005
      • 17583

      #152
      Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

      Originally posted by Bornindamecca
      Lebron needs a post up game, but not necessarily a "back down" game. If he can get his turnaround to be reliable from about 12-16 feet, that is perfect. From that distance he can turn and face up, see the double teams coming, pass to cutters, swing the ball around the perimeter for the other post or take the shot. The bonus is that is too far out to deny him position. It also neutralizes smaller opponents who may fare better against his penetration. This element in his game is what is truly necessary to making him unstoppable within a 5 man concept.

      Right now, there will be rough pages in the playoffs for him to generate a 5 man offense from an effective dribble/drive position. Sometimes it will be there, but other times it won't. From the post position, other people can initiate plays while remains a threat. His jumpshot, on the other hand, is not as necessary from his growth, because in an ideal offense, your 6'8" forward isn't taking the bulk of the 3 pointers and 18 footers, but rather making those shots easier for smaller players.
      He's cant master a 12-16 turnaround if he can't consistently hit a 18ft face up jumper. The only good thing about Bron posting up is like you said, you can't play key on him, aka play the 1-2-2 zone that Detroit made famous.

      His jumper however is vital because it forces players to push up on him. You put a smaller player on him and he can shoot over him and still overpower him on the way to the rim, not to mention the calls he gets (justly & unjustly).

      He does need people to initiate the offense to take that focus off him every play.
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      • HMcCoy
        All Star
        • Jan 2003
        • 8212

        #153
        Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

        Originally posted by kgx2thez
        He's cant master a 12-16 turnaround if he can't consistently hit a 18ft face up jumper. The only good thing about Bron posting up is like you said, you can't play key on him, aka play the 1-2-2 zone that Detroit made famous.

        His jumper however is vital because it forces players to push up on him. You put a smaller player on him and he can shoot over him and still overpower him on the way to the rim, not to mention the calls he gets (justly & unjustly).

        He does need people to initiate the offense to take that focus off him every play.
        Statistically, his mid range game was very good from the AS break on, and through the playoffs (around 42% over that span). His 3 pointer still languishes in the mid to low 30's largely due to a propensity for heat checks after making one, but his 2 point J was actually showing improvement. He's had good stretches before though...the real key for him will be consistency.

        Can he keep focus on his balance for an entire season and get it to the point of muscle memory? Can he slow himself down and work on the footwork it takes to maintain good balance on the J? He finally stuck with one FT routine and stroke over a full season and it paid off. Hopefully for Cavs fans, he'll do the same with his 18-footer.
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        • Dcooks
          Banned
          • May 2009
          • 215

          #154
          Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

          bump

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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #155
            Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

            LOL, why

            Who's a better player right now: Durant or Carmelo

            I think it's pretty close

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #156
              Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

              Was posed to see Durant play at Da Farms yesterday and today but the rain f'd those plans all up this weekend.

              He and Gil are posed to go at it before the end of the season.
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              • o_capone
                Banned
                • Apr 2009
                • 1270

                #157
                Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                lebron's passing, defense, and size put him above durant...

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                • Bornindamecca
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                  • Jul 2007
                  • 10919

                  #158
                  Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                  Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                  LOL, why

                  Who's a better player right now: Durant or Carmelo

                  I think it's pretty close
                  Carmelo is better right now because of his rebounding and strength, but this could easily change this season. I wouldn't be shocked if Durant was a hands down better player by this year's All Star game.
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                  • o_capone
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1270

                    #159
                    Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                    if the nba would stop doing the ASG by conference and just pick the top 24 players durant would have been an all-star last season...

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                    • AlexBrady
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3341

                      #160
                      Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                      Originally posted by o_capone
                      if the nba would stop doing the ASG by conference and just pick the top 24 players durant would have been an all-star last season...
                      Durant is an offensive savant who can fill up the bucket from almost anywhere on the court. Problem is he can't do much of anything else. He is too frail to rebound in traffic or play adequate perimeter defense and his court vision hasn't fully developed yet. Scoring 30 points isn't as useful as you might think if you are giving up 25.

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #161
                        Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                        Originally posted by AlexBrady
                        Durant is an offensive savant who can fill up the bucket from almost anywhere on the court. Problem is he can't do much of anything else. He is too frail to rebound in traffic or play adequate perimeter defense and his court vision hasn't fully developed yet. Scoring 30 points isn't as useful as you might think if you are giving up 25.
                        That may all be true, but what Capone said was still fact.

                        Pound for pound, pun intended, he's a top 24 player.

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                        • AlexBrady
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3341

                          #162
                          Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          That may all be true, but what Capone said was still fact.

                          Pound for pound, pun intended, he's a top 24 player.
                          I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. He isn't there yet.

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #163
                            Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                            Originally posted by AlexBrady
                            I respect your opinion but I have to disagree. He isn't there yet.
                            Really? Here's what I got

                            1. LBJ
                            2. Kobe
                            3. Wade
                            4. Howard
                            Paul
                            Duncan
                            Dirk
                            Amare
                            Bosh
                            Carmelo
                            Deron
                            Roy
                            PP
                            KG
                            DURANT
                            Parker
                            Granger
                            Al Jefferson
                            Jamison
                            Billups
                            Butler
                            Yao
                            Nash
                            Joe Johnson

                            Just missed but could easily be swapped with named players:

                            David West
                            Carlos Boozer
                            Ray Allen

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                            • KG
                              Welcome Back
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 17583

                              #164
                              Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                              I'm nitpicking but I'd say he's better than Jamison.

                              Considering he's only turning 21 next month I think it's no big deal that he isn't amongst the elite right now.

                              I just wish that he gets the hell out of OKC.
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                              • Dalsanto0026
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 729

                                #165
                                Re: Durant as good--or better?!?!--than...

                                Originally posted by PrettyT11
                                I'm with Ex and the answer in an emphatic NO. Could he possibly become a better scorer?? Sure he could. But as far as being a better player it's just not happening. People want to be quick to bring up and keep throwing out the fact that Durant is only 20 years but let's not forget what LeBron was doing at 20 and in his third year in the league. We are talking about 31 points,7 boards, and 7 assists. Those are legendary number for anybody at any age. There have only been like 2 people EVER to do that at anytime.

                                The difference between the two is passing/vision, leadership, defense, and rebounding. In all of those except for rebounding the gap is pretty huge. LeBron came into the league with out of this world passing ability and court vision. He was the unquestioned leader of that team from day one and has improved his teams wins total by leaps and bounds. Durant doesn't have that and hasn't impacted the win column like LeBron did or has. He could possibly get up there with the W's but I don't ever see him getting to LeBron's level with the passing and court vision. He also doesn't have the overall impact on the game like LeBron does or did at the same time. We all know LeBron can win you a game or get you there without scoring. If Durant isn't scoring honestly what else can he do to get his team to the W right now??

                                I'm a huge fan of Durant and he could easily become the best scorer in the game but his all around game won't get to LeBron's level. Durant could become the league's number two man behind LeBron and there is nothing wrong with that.
                                Excellent post! Totally agree.

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