The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

[JBH3]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

Kobe is no more arrogant that Mike Jordan, Allen Iverson, or Tom Cruise. Cut that out man.

You don't like him because of what happened in Denver? Oh for having sex with a woman? Oh ok.......yea

I just find it SAD that you can't stand a man that you never uttered a word to

Well...there was actually more substance to my post than just the first paragraph, but since you're soooo inclined to defend Kobe tooth and nail, albeit a man YOU'VE never uttered a word to, than so be it.

Are there people, given their public persona, and other determining factors (who you've never uttered a word to) which you find distasteful/don't like/'hate'?

Lol...at "just having sex"...because it means nothing that you're married right? Forgive me for holding that more sacred than Kobe Bryant.

Where have I ever said I'm a Jordan fan?

I don't expect you to search, but I've said quite a few times in numerous threads that I was a Barkley fan as a kid since he was the anti-Jordan...someone I could respect because he flat out told me he wasn't a role-model, wasn't a white wash of his REAL self.

My favorite players...Barkley, AI, Caron Butler...guys who earn respect from me because they're real. They might've had their transgressions, but they don't project a phony image of themselves.

Funny part about your response to me...given your Bill Walton/Pizza post a pg or two back.... Is that I mentioned one paragraph about why I don't like Kobe, but three additional paragraphs about him as a player. Yet rather than focus on the paragraphs following the first, you chose to chastize me over what I put in my first paragraph.

Hypocrite.

[KG]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

He listed his rings as one of many accomplishments. How many MVP's, 1st team all NBA's and ASG's does Horry have? Taking one line, bolding it, and making an asinine comparison doesn't make much of a point.

I like how any time someone mentions rings as a good thing, regardless of context, someone chimes in with the inevitable Robert Horry comment.

You know. Like anyone with eyes couldnt see that Horry was a role player.

[JBH3]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

4 Rings so far
1 MVP so far
11X All-Star so far
7X All-NBA 1st Team so far
Guaranteed HOF'er

AH! The dreaded ring comparison. So shall we put Robert Horry in the HOF because he has 7 championships?

To be quite honest KG, you mentioning the rings, to suffice an argument pitting Kobe over Moses drew that out from Dice.

The simple mention of rings, by you, garners a ridiculous "Horry" response.

Anyone w/ eyes could've also seen that there was a big 7 ft mammoth of a man in the middle that factored more into those rings than mini-fro Kobe. Let's keep it real.

...and while Moses doesn't have 4, he at least has one w/ the 76ers, and I don't know if he won any others. Regardless his all-time career totals place him at levels to easily consider him one of the better bigs of all-time.

[billmatic]

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To be quite honest KG, you mentioning the rings, to suffice an argument pitting Kobe over Moses drew that out from Dice.

The simple mention of rings, by you, garners a ridiculous "Horry" response.

Anyone w/ eyes could've also seen that there was a big 7 ft mammoth of a man in the middle that factored more into those rings than mini-fro Kobe. Let's keep it real.

...and while Moses doesn't have 4, he at least has one w/ the 76ers, and I don't know if he won any others. Regardless his all-time career totals place him at levels to easily consider him one of the better bigs of all-time.

And anyone with eyes could also see that Moses Malone joined a team that made the NBA finals the previous year without him and had 3 other all stars on it. It works both ways.

[GSW]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

when yall get older yall will realize the only reason you hate Kobe is because hes the best.

And anytime someone is the best at something, they will have haters.

[JBH3]

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And anyone with eyes could also see that Moses Malone joined a team that made the NBA finals the previous year without him and had 3 other all stars on it. It works both ways.

I never said he didn't, and of course it goes both ways. But the sheer mention of ring totals is ridiculous in any argument. We could sit here and talk about Jordan's rings, but he could have one less if John Paxson doesn't make that shot.

KG only brought rings into the picture for "ammunition" to argue why Kobe is better. It's an endless and pointless debate once rings, and who has more become a focal point.

when yall get older yall will realize the only reason you hate Kobe is because hes the best.

And anytime someone is the best at something, they will have haters.

I respect his game, and have proved that by voting for him here. I know where he takes a seat all-time, but that doesn't mean I have to like him or to anything Kobe-related.

The conversation holds merit though because considering the question/topic Moses Malone being #1 definitely holds merit, moreso than Lebron at this point, and KG at any point.

[DC]

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Lol...at "just having sex"...because it means nothing that you're married right? Forgive me for holding that more sacred than Kobe Bryant.

So do you hate ALL cheaters?

[KG]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

To be quite honest KG, you mentioning the rings, to suffice an argument pitting Kobe over Moses drew that out from Dice.

The simple mention of rings, by you, garners a ridiculous "Horry" response.

Anyone w/ eyes could've also seen that there was a big 7 ft mammoth of a man in the middle that factored more into those rings than mini-fro Kobe. Let's keep it real.

...and while Moses doesn't have 4, he at least has one w/ the 76ers, and I don't know if he won any others. Regardless his all-time career totals place him at levels to easily consider him one of the better bigs of all-time.

So if you're discussing MJ, Magic, or Bird you cannot make reference to rings? I didn't bring up Bob because he has no place in this disccusion. I also put that in there because it was discussed in the Bron/KB discussion.

I have no problem with Moses being mentioned amongst the best big men ever even though I only saw extremely old Moses. I was just listing some of his accomplishments so far and I didn't even want to open the can of worms that is "how much credit does KB deserve for it"

Moses appreciates the love though.

[JBH3]

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So do you hate ALL cheaters?

I don't "hate" anyone. "Hate" is a strong word. It gets thrown around way too loosely, and now more/less nothing than a way of deflecting someone who doesn't share the same opinion of either the majority or some celebrated artist/athlete/person.

I don't RESPECT cheaters.

[GSW]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

What does Kobes cheating have to do with being the best at basketball...they all cheat
and A.C Green is a Liar

you dislike the guy, we get it.

Facts are Facts.

Kobe is the best high school talent to ever touch the NBA SO FAR...LeBron maybe can get there.

forget trying to compare eras and all that because the fact remains Kobe would still be the best, only a blind ***** would deny that.

Kobe AND Shaq accomplished so much TOGETHER, he wasnt some retarted second fiddle, he was a main component to winning, trying to downplay his achievmants based on your dislike for the guy is a classic straw man argument.

[JBH3]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

So if you're discussing MJ, Magic, or Bird you cannot make reference to rings?

I don't like to. IMO outside of PHX, and 97-98 Utah, the competition Jordan faced in the Finals wasn't really on par w/ what Bird and Magic went up against. That's not to discredit Jordan's accomplishments because he was all the reason why Chicago ever won anything.

But for the sake of arguing rings, and by who has more means that person was better is jus pointless and empty.

[DC]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

Sp JHB, explain why you don't like Kobe now? In your best words. I won't bother you after this

[KG]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

I don't like to. IMO outside of PHX, and 97-98 Utah, the competition Jordan faced in the Finals wasn't really on par w/ what Bird and Magic went up against. That's not to discredit Jordan's accomplishments because he was all the reason why Chicago ever won anything.

But for the sake of arguing rings, and by who has more means that person was better is jus pointless and empty.

That's the thing though. I voted for Kobe not solely because of the rings, but the entire body of work. I'd be lying if I said that the rings don't matter in this discussion because they do IMO.

[mvb34]

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You are basing this off of WHAT?

I don't think would been able to handle the physical play of that era....

[JBH3]

Re: The Best 'High Schooler' ever to play in the NBA?

So JBH, explain why you don't like Kobe now? In your best words. I won't bother you after this

First, I was very much a Charlotte Hornets fan when Kobe was entering the NBA. LJ was my fav player and local hometown hero Alonzo Mourning formed a tremendous frontline duo. Kobe had already publicly stated he'd never play for Charlotte, and after being drafted, Charlotte's hand was forced into that Divac trade; which wasn't going to produce a ring no matter what and just had Charlotte spinning their wheels (more/less delaying the inevitable move of the franchise).

Had Kobe just entered the NBA, and earned his place...his voice to even have the audacity to demand something would've been digested better. At least he'd earned the right to speak on his behalf. Nah...this was like a new breed of athlete coming into the picture. The spoiled-rotten AAU, "I don't shake hands because I'm a winner" athlete.

Like Charlotte I knew he would be something special, and was clamoring for him to be a Hornet...but that day never came.

To me that "moment of truth" was a tell-tell sign of arrogance and otherwise narcisism that I just got no respect for.

The non-verbal communication is like "Eef you, and eef the way in which the players before me made a name for themselves", "I'm Kobe f---ing Bryant!" Like a spoiled kid who wants things their way. Can't respect that.

So from day 1 he had me at f--- you. :wink:

Nothing to date has changed any view of him being an arrogant prick, and his crap in Denver and "Oh let me buy my wife's love and respect w/ the biggest effing diamond known to man" only compounds my distaste for Kobe.

Sure he's a great GREAT baseketball player. I respect his game completely. He's likely in the top10 all-time, given HE can lead LA to another ring or two, but I just can't stand the guy. The phonyness, tattle-tailing on Shaq's extra-marital affairs (not giving Shaq a pass either), the let me pretend to be hood and come out w/ a hip-hop album.

All this crap just points to a punk. He doesn't know who he wants to be. At first it's let me run w/ the AI-style, now it's I'm the consummate professional seasoned-veteran Jordan-esque style.

Be your own man. He can't even do this on the basketball court because the dude wants to shoot the lights out, can, but otherwise forces himself out the the game until he magically comes alive in the 2nd half. Don't hold back. Be you.

Anyways...that's that. That's about all the time I want to waste on Kobe Bryant. :wink: