T-Mac vs Rockets - fight!

[michaeljordanjr]

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TMAC won't be able to be the slasher he once was. He can still put up 50 if he's hot outside but his game will be posting up and jump shooting and that's not worth cap space for some teams.

[Kashanova]

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I'd love to see Tmac in D'antoni's system he'd probably average 6.5 assists again

[ex carrabba fan]

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He's not a fourth wheel dude and you still dont get it

He only had one knee surgery. That one knee surgery (which was last summer) they had a choice to do MF or scope it. They chose to scope it but that didnt work... therefore he had to get MF surgery in that SAME SEASON

There were no past knee surgeries. Kobe has had about the same amount of knee surgeries as McGrady in total 2.

OK I don't get it

Kob also never had the MF at the age of 30.

4th wheel? now thats pushing it. no doubt in my mind he could average 20-23 ppg

Yeah I'm not surprised you think that

[Kashanova]

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OK I don't get it

Kob also never had the MF at the age of 30.

Yeah I'm not surprised you think that

touche, im also not surpised by the way of your thinking on the matter

[ProfessaPackMan]

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LOL @ TMac averaging 23 PPG for a full season again. Them days is done man.

Im with ec on this one in that I can't see him being anymore than 3rd wheel at this point in his career, which is not a bad thing like some are making it out to be.

[Kashanova]

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LOL @ TMac averaging 23 PPG for a full season again. Them days is done man.

Im with ec on this one in that I can't see him being anymore than 3rd wheel at this point in his career, which is not a bad thing like some are making it out to be.

if he were 36 i'd agree but he's only 30..

[ex carrabba fan]

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He's 30, but has had 12 seasons already played. His athleticism is what separated him from everyone else.. now I doubt he'll have any of it back.. hopefully his jumper and footwork have evolved immensely.

Has a back condition, has shoulder issues and knee issues..

He's fighting an uphill battle.

Like PP said, it's really not a bad thing to be a third option.. but we'll all just have to wait and see it play out.

[23]

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Nothing is wrong with his shoulder..

He has scoliosis which is under control as long as he sees the doc in Houston and Tim Grover... his personal trainer had him training wrong for years, not taking his back into account for anything

His knee is def not where is should be but he'll get some explosiveness back

McGrady hasnt been a #1 option for awhile now, but #2 #3 who cares, the guy has skills alot of dudes in the NBA doesnt have

Its the same reason MJ having knee surgery at 39 was able to come back and pop a couple of 50 point games on guys in this NBA
and still average 20ppg

[Streets]

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Adelman is the coach man, he can give Tmac whatever he wants to give him. All of that cant find minutes stuff is garbage. He was just never in his plans from the beginning and it was likely true that he said early in the season he had no plans of ever playing him anyway.

I hate how they spew lies to the fans and people run with it. Sure wasnt hard to fit him in that 22 win streak team..lol

T-Mac JUST came off of surgery (shouldn't even be playing yet according to the timetable) and is coming to a team that is doing just as well (record-wise) as the star-studded Ron-Yao-Mac team of last year... a group of guys that advanced past the first round without him. You don't just give the guy 40 minutes a game and say "carry us". Those days are dead. Yeah the 22 wins were great, but that was pre-surgery and the team was different.

Last year we had T-Mac admitting he wasn't in shape and he decided to take 2 weeks off in the middle of the season to get in shape. This year, from what I've seen, he's still not in game shape, and Adelman is not going to allow T-Mac to do his own personal rehab during games that we have a legitimate chance of winning (thus limiting his minutes). Adelman like T-Mac is in a contract year and is going to do what's best for the team. Everyone on here knows that I've been Mac's biggest supporter as he's the reason I became a Rockets fan, but I honestly don't think Adelman is in the wrong here.

T-Mac should work his way back into the rotation, bust his butt in practice and prove that he deserves the minutes that he thinks he deserves. What he should not do is whine to the media about his playing time. Fact is, we don't know what Adelman's intentions are, what he sees in practice, or if he has a "vendetta", but it makes sense to me that in a contract year, he would try to string together as many W's as possible. Apparently they don't think T-Mac at this point of his recovery is a good for for THIS Rockets team... and neither do I.

I would say that if T-Mac worked as hard as he talks ("I'll go to the moon if I have to")... but just like you don't know what Adelman's motivations are, I don't know how hard T-Mac works. I do know that he has a reported history of slacking, but I won't hold his past against him.

P.S. I am not enthralled about any of the trade proposals I've read and it's sad that his value has dropped so low. I'm going to hold out hope that Kevin Martin comes to fruition, but I know it's a pipe dream.

Also, regardless of how I feel about him as a Rocket (bad fit), I do have a soft spot in my heart for the guy and wish him all the best. Hope he proves me wrong as a member of any team besides the Lakers, Mavs, Jazz, or Pistons.

[23]

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T-Mac JUST came off of surgery (shouldn't even be playing yet according to the timetable) and is coming to a team that is doing just as well (record-wise) as the star-studded Ron-Yao-Mac team of last year... a group of guys that advanced past the first round without him. You don't just give the guy 40 minutes a game and say "carry us". Those days are dead. Yeah the 22 wins were great, but that was pre-surgery and the team was different.

I beg to differ, those days were dead way before the surgery... They were just too slow to do anything about it. They basically wrode him literally til the wheels fell off.

Last year we had T-Mac admitting he wasn't in shape and he decided to take 2 weeks off in the middle of the season to get in shape. This year, from what I've seen, he's still not in game shape, and Adelman is not going to allow T-Mac to do his own personal rehab during games that we have a legitimate chance of winning (thus limiting his minutes). Adelman like T-Mac is in a contract year and is going to do what's best for the team. Everyone on here knows that I've been Mac's biggest supporter as he's the reason I became a Rockets fan, but I honestly don't think Adelman is in the wrong here.

You know whats funny about what you just said, its amazing that last year they TOLD HIM TO PLAY TO GET HEALTHY... Now you're saying he shouldn't.
Do you see how confused they sound?

I dont care who's right or wrong, I personally think they all screwed things up, but finger pointing isnt a solution. A trade should've been in the works long ago. The team just wasnt built right and even now they'll continue to play hard but thats all. It wont ever amount to anything beyond 2nd round fodder at best.

T-Mac should work his way back into the rotation, bust his butt in practice and prove that he deserves the minutes that he thinks he deserves. What he should not do is whine to the media about his playing time. Fact is, we don't know what Adelman's intentions are, what he sees in practice, or if he has a "vendetta", but it makes sense to me that in a contract year, he would try to string together as many W's as possible. Apparently they don't think T-Mac at this point of his recovery is a good for for THIS Rockets team... and neither do I.

Him working hard means nothing at this point. If you have a player and a coach in contract years the management should be making things work for the team, not allowing this garbage to go on... Shoot management made it clear to AI in the summer if they picked him up and he tripped out he'd be sent home and thats exactly what happened.

All Tmac wants is to play and play for anothe contract, can't blame him, same for Rick, but none of them did anything to work with eachother... he admitted himself they didnt even include him in their plans until he suited up that one evening. SHouldnt have taken all of that from jump because the leadership was too busy commiting Insurance fraud.

I would say that if T-Mac worked as hard as he talks ("I'll go to the moon if I have to")... but just like you don't know what Adelman's motivations are, I don't know how hard T-Mac works. I do know that he has a reported history of slacking, but I won't hold his past against him.

Man, people hang on this dudes words way to much. Remember Kobe said he would rather play on the moon than in LA? All he wants to do is play, he's just talking.

Again this is beyond Rick or Tmac when management should've said something to them... and yeah I know Ricks intentions... he said he had no plans of playing McGrady at all earlier this season.

P.S. I am not enthralled about any of the trade proposals I've read and it's sad that his value has dropped so low. I'm going to hold out hope that Kevin Martin comes to fruition, but I know it's a pipe dream.

Stop listening to those emo's at cf man.

Also, regardless of how I feel about him as a Rocket (bad fit), I do have a soft spot in my heart for the guy and wish him all the best. Hope he proves me wrong as a member of any team besides the Lakers, Mavs, Jazz, or Pistons.

Carlisle was always high on him, im sure they'd take a chance in free agency, and so is Cuban... who knows

[KG]

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According to that link history hasn't been too kind for those who have had the surgery after the age of 30 other than Stockton.

I think he could be a good #2 and a great #3. He doesn't seem to me like the kind to sulk because he isn't the #1 option but 20-23pts per for a full year is a bit high.

[michaeljordanjr]

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Nothing is wrong with his shoulder..

He has scoliosis which is under control as long as he sees the doc in Houston and Tim Grover... his personal trainer had him training wrong for years, not taking his back into account for anything

His knee is def not where is should be but he'll get some explosiveness back

McGrady hasnt been a #1 option for awhile now, but #2 #3 who cares, the guy has skills alot of dudes in the NBA doesnt have

Its the same reason MJ having knee surgery at 39 was able to come back and pop a couple of 50 point games on guys in this NBA
and still average 20ppg

two 50 pt games back TO back none the less

how often do you see that happen??? never!!!

[Altimus]

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I never got insulted by you saying that.

I'm just saying...he will have a lot more to offer...hes not "done"...he got injured.

what is a "role" player...every player has role man...thats a phrase that needs to die.

T-Mac is an injured star player...

If he goes to the bulls he will be the best player on the team.

Better than Rose? Sorry, no go.

[Bornindamecca]

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In limited time with this year, I've seen McGrady look sharp. Obviously, that's a long way from him regaining even a shell of his old form, which was nearly as potent a scorer as we have in this league. However, it's worth noting that he looks healthier and more explosive than he has in a couple of years. McGrady has had some pretty bad rehab and training in the past, but the jury is out on what he's like after getting the best of the best.

I wouldn't shut the door on him being a major factor in this league just yet.

[Taur3asi3]

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If Bernard King can destroy his knee before they had the techniques of today and come back as a Bullet and put up 28ppg then i find it hard to believe T-Mac cant come back and be a star. Now he might not put up nearly 30 a game but i dont think its out of the realm of possibility for him to get 22ppg with good rebound and assist numbers.