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  • Po Pimp
    MVP
    • Jan 2005
    • 2252

    #61
    Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

    Originally posted by DTX3
    You know why a contending team didn't offer him a penny? Because he wasn't willing to adapt to the game TODAY. THAT'S why. He brought all of this on himself.

    He didn't have to retire. All he had to do was prove that he was willing to do anything to win a ring. I'm 99.9% sure that Celtics, Spurs, Magic ect ect would be all over this guy if he just changed his game. Have fun being ringless, loser. The Answer my ***.
    Why should he have to adapt his game? If they wanted him to play like someone else...they don't need him (and ultimately, that's what happened). That's the reason it didn't work in Detroit. They wanted AI to be Billups. Iverson is not Billups. When you tell a player to not to be themselves, ur basically telling them not to play to their capabilities.

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    • DTX3
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jun 2003
      • 13022

      #62
      Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

      Originally posted by Po Pimp
      What teams has he torn up? He never had a roster to work with. The most talented team Iverson ever been on was the Nuggets, and the reason they never won is Karl's insistence on starting Anthony Carter in the backcourt with him. It's surprising they won 50 games when Iverson was the tallest guard in that backcourt. Lets not even mention that Nene and K-Mart were injured half the time.

      P.S. Who are those chicks in your avi? DAAAYUM!
      Tear up teams = give opposing teams fits.

      Originally posted by NYCBred
      Again how he did he get a chance to redeem himself in Detroit? What did he do that he needed to redeem himself? please I would like to know.

      BTW those two bimbos in your icon look smarter than anything your saying right now.
      Nice, you have nothing to say so you try the diss card. Good for you. Detroit was a perfect situation to show other GM's that he can be effective coming off the bench, we all know how that ended. It was a shame that they benched Rip over A.I.

      Originally posted by Po Pimp
      Why should he have to adapt his game? If they wanted him to play like someone else...they don't need him (and ultimately, that's what happened). That's the reason it didn't work in Detroit. They wanted AI to be Billups. Iverson is not Billups. When you tell a player to not to be themselves, ur basically telling them not to play to their capabilities.
      You're right. A.I. isn't Billups, Billups actually won a ring and made another team better(Nuggets).
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      • Jukeman
        Showtime
        • Aug 2005
        • 10955

        #63
        Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

        How in the blue hell was Det a good place to show GM's he can come off the bench?

        ....After having your best season since 2001???

        *unsubscribes*

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        • NYCBred
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 250

          #64
          Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

          So what did he do to to make him be a player that comes off the bench. If im not mistakin he was number 3 in scoring while in Denver, his game didnt fall off so he shouldnt have even been asked to come off the bench.

          They forced Stuckey into a role where he shouldnt have been and then told Iverson and Hamilton that one of them would have to come off the bench. That is why Detroit struggled, everybody knows that AI and Hamilton should have both been starting from day 1 and AI should have been allowed to play more of his game(obviously he would still have to play team ball due to all the talent in Detroit).

          I am telling you Detroit could have done great last year, AI was the scorer they needed but instead they made him play in a role he wasnt comfortable in. Detroit is still struggling even now and they have added better players to their team.

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          • DTX3
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jun 2003
            • 13022

            #65
            Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

            Originally posted by Jukeman
            How in the blue hell was Det a good place to show GM's he can come off the bench?

            ....After having your best season since 2001???

            *unsubscribes*
            Explain why he got traded to Detroit after "having the best season since '01". I'd love to hear it. Either way, I'm glad this loser retired.
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            • Po Pimp
              MVP
              • Jan 2005
              • 2252

              #66
              Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

              Originally posted by DTX3
              Tear up teams = give opposing teams fits.
              He's still capable of tearing up some teams. The only reason I wouldn't want him on the Bulls is because that would be another small backcourt, and it obviously didn't work for us last year. Iverson would give us the same thing Gordon did last year in different ways. He's not the 3pt shooter that Gordon is, but he does everything else better.

              Nice, you have nothing to say so you try the diss card. Good for you. Detroit was a perfect situation to show other GM's that he can be effective coming off the bench, we all know how that ended. It was a shame that they benched Rip over A.I.
              Stuckey is the one who should have been benched because he played like crap. When Rip was out, I remember the Pistons on a 7 game win streak last year. I also remember that same Pistons team beating the Lakers in LA. When Iverson got hurt, thats when things took a downturn.


              You're right. A.I. isn't Billups, Billups actually won a ring and made another team better(Nuggets).
              So Billups is better than Iverson now? Look at the starting lineup that Billups' Pistons had when they won the championship and compare that to Iverson's Sixers team that went to the Finals. Compare Billups' Nuggets team to Iverson's. It wasn't even the same lineup. Billups had a big guard in Dahntay Jones to pair up with while Iverson's backcourt mate was shorter than he was. Also, add to the fact that Nene was out the whole time Iverson was in Denver, and they had no Birdman on the team either. They were 2 different teams.

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              • NYCBred
                Banned
                • Nov 2009
                • 250

                #67
                Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                Originally posted by DTX3
                Explain why he got traded to Detroit after "having the best season since '01". I'd love to hear it. Either way, I'm glad this loser retired.
                UM maybe becuase Denver wanted Chauncey and Detroit wanted Iverson. Obviously Detroit was impressed becuase they dealt their best player for Iverson.

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                • Jukeman
                  Showtime
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 10955

                  #68
                  Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                  Originally posted by DTX3
                  Explain why he got traded to Detroit after "having the best season since '01". I'd love to hear it. Either way, I'm glad this loser retired.
                  1. Its Melo's team

                  2. AI contract was expiring

                  3. A team offer's you one of the best PG in the league...A position they struggle...Not to mention the trade for Tinsley failed and they was ABOUT to have Smush Parker in the backcourt....They dont NEED another big time scorer, other than Kobe, no one is more of an effecient scorer than Melo...

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                  • Rocky
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6896

                    #69
                    Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                    Originally posted by Court_vision
                    His legacy though is the thing that's been destroyed by all this.

                    Personally, I had hoped he'd go to San Antonio and join a legit group of guys who play as a team and leave their egos at the door...back up Parker and Manu, defer to Timmy in the post...and still get 15 ppg and go out the right way under coach Pop.
                    That's the thing though. Why is that? Why do we place these demands and standards on athletes? Shouldn't his career be about what's best for him and his family? What's wrong with him wanting to play as long as he is a major factor? When he played, he was one of the greatest players ever. His teams rarely missed the postseason and he was one of the most popular athletes of his generation.

                    Sure winning is important, but it's not the end all-be all. Fans have a hard time understanding that.
                    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
                    -Rocky Balboa

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                    • Schism 6
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 360

                      #70
                      Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                      Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
                      I feel...... nothing. Is that weird?

                      His legacy is obviously tainted by his selfish attitude at the end.
                      At the end? Are we talking about the same guy? He's been a jackass since his career started, a talented jackass, but a jackass.

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #71
                        Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                        Originally posted by Po Pimp
                        They treated him like a step-child. Iverson was the anti-hero to the corporate NBA. The dress code was instituted because of him. While I agree that there comes a time when a grown man should start dressing like one, it was not an issue until Iverson was rocking doo-rags with the jerseys and platinum chains. No one said anything when Steve Nash wore his Hawaiian shirts. Now Nash has to dress up, and I'm sure he's pissed about it.
                        This was a very weak argument in trying to say the league was "treating him like a step-child".

                        The dress code? Really? It was only for AI? I guess you never saw the other 30 teams with their players dressing like 15 year olds.

                        If the only thing you really have for this argument is the dress code, you're grasping for straws much like all the other AI supporters.

                        Is he a first ballot HOFer? Yeah. Is he a victim like you're painting him to be? Hell no.

                        It's a shame that people are in here trying to play that card. Darn shame.

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                        • Jukeman
                          Showtime
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 10955

                          #72
                          Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          This was a very weak argument in trying to say the league was "treating him like a step-child".

                          The dress code? Really? It was only for AI? I guess you never saw the other 30 teams with their players dressing like 15 year olds.

                          If the only thing you really have for this argument is the dress code, you're grasping for straws much like all the other AI supporters.

                          Is he a first ballot HOFer? Yeah. Is he a victim like you're painting him to be? Hell no.

                          It's a shame that people are in here trying to play that card. Darn shame.
                          Yup, NBA players were looking like rappers long before AI got to the league...

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                          • candiasis
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 97

                            #73
                            Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                            What about the league wide memo head office sent around to the refs mid way through ai's rookie season, telling them to call carrying/palming more cause of the effectiveness of his crossover. That one at least was definitely targetting ai, have a look at his handles the first half of his rookie season pre memo, loose as hell and amazing to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEWymWsCio
                            Last edited by candiasis; 11-25-2009, 08:56 PM.

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #74
                              Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                              Originally posted by Jukeman
                              Yup, NBA players were looking like rappers long before AI got to the league...
                              Once again tell me how the dress code was singling out AI?

                              Facts are facts. A majority of players were dressing like idiots. Point blank, they needed a dress code.

                              And at the palming memo. Players don't need advantages. Play by the rules. Pretty simple. AI never had a problem with him getting called for that violation anyway.

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                              • Tomba
                                TOMBA IS ONLINE
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 8908

                                #75
                                Re: Allen Iverson RETIRING

                                Maybe now he can release a rap album...And I'm serious back in the day I heard stuff from him and he was on some MOBB DEEP type stuff and i liked it...


                                But seriously and in all due respect...

                                Philly did him dirty by putting in a coach that wanted nothing to do with point blank. The GM should of had better sense at the time than to let iverson go. In defense of his "pride' you gotta admit that when everyone around doesn't like you behind your back but loves in in front of a crowd it has to hurt


                                How can a player that drops numbers like him be called a bad player? Put him at about 10 more inches and 60 pounds more say and he'd beat jordan
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