The LeBron James Thread

[Anavar]

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Maybe I'm being ignorant (like saying Shaq is getting a pass for his career), but Luol Deng averaged 18, 7.3 and 2 this year while shooting 39% from three and 47% from the field, plus a block and a steal per game... not numbers to sneeze at.

I know stats don't make the player, but I don't see why Deng wouldn't start on most NBA teams based off of that alone.

Because you just said it yourself. Stats don't make the player. His stats are some of the most deceiving in all of basketball.

He's also one of the worst 4th quarter players I have seen in a long time.

[Cebby]

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Ehh the Bulls are going to add atleast 1-2 pieces other the LBJ.

Most likely scenario is if the Bulls do land Lebron it will happen in a sign and trade with Cleveland.

Where Deng and Kirk maybe Taj or James Johnson head to cleveland - freeing up another move for the Bulls.

Cle can't let LBJ walk and get nothing for him.

I don't see anyway Cleveland signs and trades him. This isn't the Raptors and Bosh where a split needs to happen for both sides.

If Lebron leaves or plans to leave, the love is gone for him in Cleveland.

[Hassan Darkside]

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RealGM article on why New York or Cleveland is a better fit for LeBron than Chicago: http://knicks.realgm.com/articles/53...ally_good_in_n

Also, I was just thinking...since the Knicks currently have enough to sign two max free agents, is it possible that they could sign LeBron and another max player, AND re-sign David Lee (bird rights) and trade him for Bosh? Or sign LeBron, fill out the roster, re-sign Lee and trade him for Bosh?

[OSUFan_88]

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RealGM article on why New York or Cleveland is a better fit for LeBron than Chicago: http://knicks.realgm.com/articles/53...ally_good_in_n

Also, I was just thinking...since the Knicks currently have enough to sign two max free agents, is it possible that they could sign LeBron and another max player, AND re-sign David Lee (bird rights) and trade him for Bosh? Or sign LeBron, fill out the roster, re-sign Lee and trade him for Bosh?

It is my understanding that the Knicks will have to renounce all of their Bird rights players, meaning Lee and T-Mac are both gone from the payroll. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

And I have the same concerns about LeBron and Rose meshing...especially since neither has a very good jumper, although both are improved.

[Streets]

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I still think the most realistic and probably the best option for Bosh is in Houston. Not sure who Houston would give up since the only way they could get him would be in a S&T.

I agree. I think if we give up everything we pillaged in the Knicks trade (two first round picks, young prospect Jordan Hill, and Jared Jeffries expiring contract) we could get it done. If more money is needed we can toss in Battier. If we are in competition with another team Bosh wants to go to, we could throw in Budinger if we absolutely have to.

Yao
Bosh
Ariza
Martin
Brooks

With Scola, Lowry, Budinger, Hayes, a MLE player, and a rookie off the bench is a great team for Bosh and can absolutely compete. This team actually matches up quite well with the Lakers. This team has the best chance to upset the Lakers in the West and go to the finals IMO.

The problem is convincing Bosh that it's the best option for him. I have no idea where we stand on his "short list" but I guess it's Morey's job to convince him that Houston would be in his best interests. It'll be an interesting off-season.

[Vince]

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Budinger is a must for me...

[Altimus]

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I didn't notice this before... ESPN has a freaking LeBron tracker.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/featur...eBron-Trackera

Ridiculous.

[Streets]

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Budinger is a must for me...

Deal.

[TMagic]

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I didn't notice this before... ESPN has a freaking LeBron tracker.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/featur...eBron-Trackera

Ridiculous.

Link doesn't work homie.

[Altimus]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/featur...LeBron-Tracker

Should work now.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Can I get 5 minutes of my life back for looking at that mess?

[TMagic]

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/featur...LeBron-Tracker

Should work now.

Yup.

And your right...that is pretty damn ridiculous.

[wwharton]

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it's not about marketing/advertising, it's about businesses. Businesses negotiations often involve very few people in the room. In New York, you're talking about old money, and a few people controlling that old money. Those people won't open their pockets and/or real estate for Lebron unless he's able to attach New York to his brand and vice versa. They trust his celebrity, but likely have a list of things they'd like him to be able to do, and some things on that list require New York to be a part of his brand.

Also, if he's in New York, he doesn't have to worry about a competing brand. Hypothetically, if Dwyane Wade wanted to be a New York based fashion mogul and Lebron wanted the same thing, and Wade signed with the Knicks, what do you think would happen to Lebron's opportunities in New York?

This isn't about simple exposure and popularity. It has to do with branding, which is an unforgiving concept.

It's really hard to make a case for this either way, but in my personal experience as well as watching the way of the world, I'd have to disagree. First, in NYC you're talking about old money, new money, and (most importantly) money of people that don't even live in that city, state or maybe even country. NYC is the last place I'd say you're talking about old money. Second, we're not talking about Diddy or Jay Z here. We're not even talking about Shaq and his move to LA to be in movies. Whatever businesses LBJ wants to be in need to be headed by somebody else. I'm sure he's got plenty of great ideas but other than his checkbook, I'd want no parts of a 25 year old who has no college background or business training to speak of. MJ did a lot of Nike commercials while playing but he didn't develop a brand until he was done... there's reason for that, and if LBJ is thinking differently then he can kiss any future NBA success good bye.

There's a lot of factors we can get into, including the increase of teleconferencing ESPECIALLY in NY, outsourcing, the availability of world wide transportation for the type of money the people we're talking about have. In today's world, there is pretty much no reason someone who already has the fame that Lebron has needs to be in NYC to maximize it.

Jesus man, it's a plain sentence. Not even any SAT words in it. I don't know what's so hard to comprehend. You can't see the potential extra earnings - good for you, that's your opinion. I'm pretty sure you're not an expert on New York's economy vs other cities and how it affects megastar athletes especially since you haven't stated a single fact regarding the matter.

I'm not I'm not saying he can earn more in NYC, I'm not saying he can't because no one knows yet. Yet you seem hell bent on forcing everyone to agree that he absolutely cannot earn more $ off the court in NYC when you do nothing more than cite vague examples that are merely an opinion.

There was already and article debating this, where experts weighed in. The opinions varied, from one person feeling LeBron could earn $20m more per year. One guy used the "digital age" angle and said it doesn't matter where LeBron plays. Point is, those guys, who know way the hell more about this stuff than you, are conflicted on the issue.

Chill out. It's obvious that you want to invest a ton of energy into this possibility by the fact that every other reply in this thread's by you, but you're going a bit far. First of all, I don't know how old you are but I can guess by even using an SAT reference that I probably took the test before you even knew what it was. My vocabulary is just fine. If you don't like my opinion then keep it moving. I don't need to state any facts, I've been in the working world, probably long before you took the SATs. What are your facts? You just keep spitting off what you hope and then make this post about what I personally don't know, so what exactly do you know for fact? I'm not trying to force anyone to agree with me. Born just made a very good post... I still disagree but it has a lot more meat to it than your pounding on your chest.

In your example of one article (with no link... ironic since you're so upset that I haven't given you examples) you state that someone brought up the digital age, and then brush by it. That's hilarious. The bottom line is, nobody knows anything but this thread is growing every minute with opinions and educated guesses. And by the educated guess of me, others here and the guy you yourself said knows "way the hell more about this stuff" than me (though it is interesting hearing you tell me what I know about business), in today's world someone who is already an international superstar living in Cleveland does not need to live in NY to maximize their possibilities.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I don't know if it's been discussed yet, but on that LeBron tracker, theres an article about why the Clippers are the perfect fit for Lebron, and it actually makes a lot of sense lol.

Having said that, there's no chance he ends up going there.

[Kully]

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Yup.

And your right...that is pretty damn ridiculous.

I'm surprised LBJ's ego isn't the size of Brazil. Having this much coverage dedicated to me (even getting the President to comment) would eventually lead to me becoming a jackass