The LeBron James Thread

[Drewski]

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Honestly...I think Lebron has grown apathetic.

I don't think Kerr's Scottie Pippen remarks are accurate either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Pipp never had that "Lebron vs the Pistons" moment where he drilled the Pistons in the 4th on into OT...

At that moment eveyone was in awe of Lebron, and thought he was going to be at the forefront of the next NBA Dynasty....fast forward a few years and you find a player who has checked out of games which cost his team a title (MIA) or a chance at playing for one (CLE vs BOS).

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As far as the Bron/Pippen argument goes, if you look at their numbers from their 2nd finals (Lebron this year, Scottie in 91-92) they look next to identical. Been thinking about throwing the stat comparisons up here, but I don't necessarily want to poke an angry dog with a stick.

[King_B_Mack]

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Lol You get so defensive about every comment anyone makes that you disagree with. I've seen you argue with about half the board over little crap like that in the little time that I've been on these boards.

It was a figure of speech. Pippen was a great player. He had a role, played it well but the reason they won those ships is because of Jordan.

That's fine I'll wear that hat, I don't give a ****. It's kind of difficult to determine a "figure of speech" on an internet message board however. Seriously though, saying someone piggybacked someone to a championship is not a figure of speech. That means only one thing. You can't drop that line and then backpedal out of it like it means something else. Jordan wasn't winning a title without Pippen which is fact and Pippen wasn't winning without Jordan, which is also fact. I love GOAT as much as the next man (particularly Bulls fans) but I think we ride his jock a little too hard at times.

[Altimus]

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It's not accurate, LeBron is LeBron but are we going to refer to that one game over and over?

Also the current hate on Pippen going on (JVG) and some posts here is ridiculous IMO. When MJ left Bulls ended 2nd in the East and only lost to a Finals Knicks squad in a 4-3 battle.

Either way I'm tire of the comparisons. Let LBJ finish his career. BTW not calling anyone out in general, just overall.

[1Rose]

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That's fine I'll wear that hat, I don't give a ****. It's kind of difficult to determine a "figure of speech" on an internet message board however. Seriously though, saying someone piggybacked someone to a championship is not a figure of speech. That means only one thing. You can't drop that line and then backpedal out of it like it means something else. Jordan wasn't winning a title without Pippen which is fact and Pippen wasn't winning without Jordan, which is also fact. I love GOAT as much as the next man (particularly Bulls fans) but I think we ride his jock a little too hard at times.

Lmao, chill out bud. Not back pedalling out of anything. Without Jordan, there was no Pippen. That's fact.

Not arguing about this in the LeBron James thread.

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I am not a Kobe man...something about him bugs me and always has. I am not sure it's fair to say he choked game 7 last season though v Boston. He shot poorly...but he grabbed 15 rebounds.

15...from the SG position.

He outrebounded the entire C's front court.

I don't call that choking...I call that "finding a way to win".

(Damm, I sound like Mark Jackson)

Its simple man

One benefitted from a trade that grabbed a great big man for trash

while the other guy had who on the inside working for him?

..and if you just want a better example, 2004 would be it... he choked, got shut down, whatever you wanna call it.


Lebron was in another universe with his head buried in the ground... thats too bad for him, but if he wins in the end, people will either say something stupid like oh he only won one or they'll put this one behind them

[JBH3]

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As far as the Bron/Pippen argument goes, if you look at their numbers from their 2nd finals (Lebron this year, Scottie in 91-92) they look next to identical. Been thinking about throwing the stat comparisons up here, but I don't necessarily want to poke an angry dog with a stick.

Looking at only Finals numbers is misleading....since LBJ only has played in two.

Shoot Lebron avg'd a whopping 35.3 ppg in 08-09 playoffs...that was in 14 games too. That alone seperates him from Pipp.

Lebron may have REGRESSED into Scottie Pippen, but he sure didn't start off like him.

[Drewski]

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Looking at only Finals numbers is misleading....since LBJ only has played in two.

Shoot Lebron avg'd a whopping 35.3 ppg in 08-09 playoffs...that was in 14 games too. That alone seperates him from Pipp.

Lebron may have REGRESSED into Scottie Pippen, but he sure didn't start off like him.

That argument gets dislodged if you solely look at Pippens numbers from their 2nd NBA finals (Lebrons 2nd was this year, 91-92 was pippens 2nd), which is what I took a peek at. Not going to bother comparing, but take a look and tell me they don't look like they could have come from the same player.

[JBH3]

That argument gets dislodged if you solely look at Pippens numbers from their 2nd NBA finals (Lebrons 2nd was this year, 91-92 was pippens 2nd), which is what I took a peek at. Not going to bother comparing, but take a look and tell me they don't look like they could have come from the same player.

Stop with the finals, its not a large enough sample size. Compare playoff numbers......17 7 and 5 is Pipp, 28 8 and 7 is Lebron. That's a VASTLY different player.

[Drewski]

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Stop with the finals, its not a large enough sample size. Compare playoff numbers......17 7 and 5 is Pipp, 28 8 and 7 is Lebron. That's a VASTLY different player.

Not saying Lebron is Pippen's equivalent. Lebron is Lebron. Just look at those numbers and tell me it's not hauntingly similar.

[Jasong7777]

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Stop with the finals, its not a large enough sample size. Compare playoff numbers......17 7 and 5 is Pipp, 28 8 and 7 is Lebron. That's a VASTLY different player.

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[videobastard]

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Lebron is getting his peyton manning on. He is folding in big moments. Eventually he will come around and have success. If he works this off season on a post game and uses the experiences of failure to create wisdom he will be fine going forward. Also with the probability of riley stepping in as coach it should help the heat as a whole in 4th quarter situations.

[BaselineBakes]

Also just to add with Lebron vs Pippen, besides the numbers it's slightly different when you are that guy the defense is geared to stop. I don't remember if Pippen ever had zones or strong side double teams designed for him but I can tell you Lebron has.

[Drewski]

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Also just to add with Lebron vs Pippen, besides the numbers it's slightly different when you are that guy the defense is geared to stop. I don't remember if Pippen ever had zones or strong side double teams designed for him but I can tell you Lebron has.

Very valid. But in general that's a Mavs thing as opposed to a Lebron thing. I'm fairly certain defenses didn't disregard the Pipster in game planning. Just like Dallas kept Wade and Lebron in mind. It's fair to say that Pippen never faced the Mavs defense that played out through the finals. Guess it has to be one way or the other - either people are saying he is PIPPEN, or people saying he is not. Just wanted to point out that statistically they look like the same players in the finals, and also want to point out I know that Lebron has an extreme amount of talent and to base any argument on him over one series is pretty short sighted. Not denying Lebron's potential to be great, but not denying his series against the Mavericks was stastically on par with Pippen. Take it for what it's worth.

[BaselineBakes]

Very valid. But in general that's a Mavs thing as opposed to a Lebron thing. I'm fairly certain defenses didn't disregard the Pipster in game planning. Just like Dallas kept Wade and Lebron in mind. It's fair to say that Pippen never faced the Mavs defense that played out through the finals.

I agree, just throwing some differences out there. I love Scotties game and I do think Lebron resembles Scotty in many ways as well.

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Man you guys are comparing across era's as if thats doable when its not

Circumstances were much much different, period