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  • wwharton
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2002
    • 26949

    #10111
    Re: The LeBron James Thread

    Originally posted by TheShizNo1
    I'm not saying da throne is right, but I don't understand how some of you can point at that idea, laugh at it, and toss it to the side. Look at people around you, people who you work w/.....people have their own thoughts, angles, and motives. I've heard crazier things than that theory.

    I wouldn't put it past him, although I don't think that's the case only b/c I think LBJ wants to be loved and a 'ship would help that. And, I honestly don't think LBJ thinks he has to prove anything. If he had that mentality he would have stayed in Cleveland and proved he could win a 'ship there.
    Because watching the game, I saw him try to back down JJ and just have no idea what to do. I saw him turn and shoot on Kidd and the ball come nowhere close to the rim. Then I saw him get into a little rhythm with a nice spin move to the basket, then a foul to get to the line and then a nice pass to Howard... before falling off again. So unless the suggestion is he got charging calls and bricked shots on purpose, it doesn't make any sense.

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    • Drewski
      Basketball Reasons
      • Jun 2011
      • 3783

      #10112
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      Hold on, Lebron left his game in the freezer to prove to people that Miami couldn't win without him?

      I think that only proves they didn't win WITH him, this year.

      I can't imagine anyone, no matter the loose screws in the head, who would be willing to stomp their feet and say NO I'm not helping, when it's the Finals.

      And if he did? Only makes it worse. But really, I can't really wrap my head around this theory because it seems ludicrous. I don't think Lebron has a problem with his role/perceived role (aside from maybe not knowing whether he should be defferring to Wade or not), he seemed perfectly content jabbing Wade in the chest after that fateful three.
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      • da ThRONe
        Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
        • Mar 2009
        • 8528

        #10113
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        I'm not buying the lack of confidence reason. After has last two series his confidence should have been through the roof. It's hard to believe he can go for clutch big time player to weak and timid over a few shots(that were terrible to began with). Hell he killed it in game 1you of the Finals. This is also the guy who side nobody could guard him one on one. His body language IMO said I don't care not I just can't do it. I really think he thought that he could flip the switch off and on and it bite him in the ***.
        You looking at the Chair MAN!

        Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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        • 1Rose
          Banned
          • Jun 2011
          • 2562

          #10114
          Re: The LeBron James Thread

          While I'm 100% on the side of wwharton, and personally believe that he just gave up when things got tough, because he's never had to face adversity in his life, ever. Shrinks under pressure and he's been coddled since high school and doesn't know how to get through it and persevere and get to that next gear.

          With that said, playing devil's advocate here, but what if dathrone isn't that far off base here. I mean, what has lead us to believe that LeBron's ego isn't big enough to do something so ridiculous.

          He has Chosen 1 tatted on his back. Would dance and celebrate on the court DURING the game from the sideline. Held an hour long special to take a collective dump on his hometown (while smiling mind you) and thought that everyone would love him for it. Then shot a commercial basically spitting in everyone's face who criticized him. Took part in a pre-season celebration where he proclaimed they would win 7 titles before they even took the floor. Calls himself "The King" when he hasn't accomplished anything. Then couple that with his post game comments, he really hasn't given us any reason to believe that he IS above that.

          I mean what if he heard during the playoffs saying it was D-Wade's team and took it personal? What if he really wanted to show people that they couldn't win without him? I mean there were reports of an altercation in the Heat locker room after Game 6, but we don't know with who. What if he really turned to "take my ball and go home" attitude?

          Like I said, personally I don't believe it. I just think he shrinks and cowers under pressure and adversity, but you really just don't know.

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          • wwharton
            *ll St*r
            • Aug 2002
            • 26949

            #10115
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            Originally posted by da ThRONe
            I'm not buying the lack of confidence reason. After has last two series his confidence should have been through the roof. It's hard to believe he can go for clutch big time player to weak and timid over a few shots(that were terrible to began with). Hell he killed it in game 1you of the Finals. This is also the guy who side nobody could guard him one on one. His body language IMO said I don't care not I just can't do it. I really think he thought that he could flip the switch off and on and it bite him in the ***.
            That doesn't make your theory make any more sense though, lol.

            We were talking during or after Game 1 about his shooting though. Lebron is not a "deadly" 3 point shooter and he falls in love with the shot all the time. Even at that point, we were saying that his success with the long ball may be the worse thing that could happen. What happened next? He start throwing up bombs at the end of game 2 that contributed to the huge come back and an embarrassing loss. He's questioned for his play on the court really for the first time since the "I've spoiled my fans" press conference. In game 3 he's throwing up 3's again and now he's getting an earful from Wade... nowhere to point the finger when the bullets are coming from Wade. So now he's even more shook bc every jumper he puts up has the potential to bring on criticism from all angles including "big brother" in his mind... meanwhile Dallas' zone is only giving him that shot, and the refs aren't giving him every call when he drives. Obviously I'm not in this head but this makes a whole hell of a lot more sense to me (or some form of this, anyway) than him trying to prove a point by bricking shots along with seeming apathetic... and still celebrating when Wade does well, even though he secretly wants Wade and the Heat to fail.

            Doesn't matter what he said at the press conference. We all know he deflects blame every chance he gets. Honestly, I don't know why you'd hold much weight to what anyone says in a press conference in response to most questions after a loss.

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            • jeebs9
              Fear is the Unknown
              • Oct 2008
              • 47568

              #10116
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Ok it's one thing to say he wasn't clutch or didn't play up to his standards in the finals. But to say he quit and give up lol smh...
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              • wwharton
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2002
                • 26949

                #10117
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                Originally posted by 1Rose
                While I'm 100% on the side of wwharton, and personally believe that he just gave up when things got tough, because he's never had to face adversity in his life, ever. Shrinks under pressure and he's been coddled since high school and doesn't know how to get through it and persevere and get to that next gear.

                With that said, playing devil's advocate here, but what if dathrone isn't that far off base here. I mean, what has lead us to believe that LeBron's ego isn't big enough to do something so ridiculous.

                He has Chosen 1 tatted on his back. Would dance and celebrate on the court DURING the game from the sideline. Held an hour long special to take a collective dump on his hometown (while smiling mind you) and thought that everyone would love him for it. Then shot a commercial basically spitting in everyone's face who criticized him. Took part in a pre-season celebration where he proclaimed they would win 7 titles before they even took the floor. Calls himself "The King" when he hasn't accomplished anything. Then couple that with his post game comments, he really hasn't given us any reason to believe that he IS above that.

                I mean what if he heard during the playoffs saying it was D-Wade's team and took it personal? What if he really wanted to show people that they couldn't win without him? I mean there were reports of an altercation in the Heat locker room after Game 6, but we don't know with who. What if he really turned to "take my ball and go home" attitude?

                Like I said, personally I don't believe it. I just think he shrinks and cowers under pressure and adversity, but you really just don't know.
                My reason is we saw him interacting with Wade in the games he was criticized for "shrinking" and he wanted to laugh it up more than Wade. We also saw him trying and failing in cases to go along with him eventually not seeming interested in playing hard. And in Game 5 (if I'm not mistaken) he didn't play a bad game, just came up very small late in the 4th. It doesn't make sense to try and then stop, or purposely brick shots or look silly jumping to pass the ball bc you're not being aggressive. The behavior is not consistent with someone who's trying to prove a point. For comparison sake, I think of how he looked in the game against Boston last year, or Kobe's infamous game. That's not how he looked in these games.

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                • Drewski
                  Basketball Reasons
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 3783

                  #10118
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  I definitely believe that Wade barking at him shook him up, probably his first "friend" who questioned him in his entire life. Especially on the court.
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                  • 1Rose
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 2562

                    #10119
                    Re: The LeBron James Thread

                    Like I said, I agree with you. Just stirring the pot lol

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                    • da ThRONe
                      Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8528

                      #10120
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      Originally posted by wwharton
                      That doesn't make your theory make any more sense though, lol.

                      We were talking during or after Game 1 about his shooting though. Lebron is not a "deadly" 3 point shooter and he falls in love with the shot all the time. Even at that point, we were saying that his success with the long ball may be the worse thing that could happen. What happened next? He start throwing up bombs at the end of game 2 that contributed to the huge come back and an embarrassing loss. He's questioned for his play on the court really for the first time since the "I've spoiled my fans" press conference. In game 3 he's throwing up 3's again and now he's getting an earful from Wade... nowhere to point the finger when the bullets are coming from Wade. So now hoe's even more shook bc every jumper he puts up has the potential to bring on criticism from all angles including "big brother" in his mind... meanwhile Dallas' zone is only giving him that shot, and the refs aren't giving him every call when he drives. Obviously I'm not in this head but this makes a whole hell of a lot more sense to me (or some form of this, anyway) than him trying to prove a point by bricking shots along with seeming apathetic... and still celebrating when Wade does well, even though he secretly wants Wade and the Heat to fail.


                      Doesn't matter what he said at the press conference. We all know he deflects blame every chance he gets. Honestly, I don't know why you'd hold much weight to what anyone says in a press conference in response to most questions after a loss.
                      You just said it he was taking a ton of criticism for everywhere after game 3. And that's why I think he quit game 4. I think in his mind he was thinking "I'll show everybody that they shouldn't be critical of what I do because without me we won't win. Then I can come back have two great games, win the title and people would have to eat their words for questioning me." I think after that game he lost his flow and could never get it together after that.
                      Last edited by da ThRONe; 06-16-2011, 02:07 PM.
                      You looking at the Chair MAN!

                      Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                      • wwharton
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26949

                        #10121
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        Originally posted by da ThRONe
                        You just said it he was taking a ton of criticism for everywhere after game 3. And that's why I think he quit game 4. I think in his mind he was thinking "I'll show everybody that they shouldn't be critical of what I do because without me we won't win. Then I can come back have two great games, win the title and people would have to eat their words for questioning me." I think after that game he lost his flow and could never get it together after that.
                        I know what you're saying... you've said it throughout but it still doesn't make any sense. His 7 assists and 9 boards doesn't point to someone throwing a game. It seems like you're fighting the obvious just to maintain a belief that he's too good to play that bad. None of us know the truth, but seriously your theory is pretty far fetched.

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                        • 23
                          yellow
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 66469

                          #10122
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Originally posted by eDotd


                          He's not Jordan, Pippen, or Rodman though.
                          That is true... those comments come from people saying they'll miss this part of him.

                          He should be studying the game instead of dancing on the sidelines like those guys did, and he wont melt when the pressure is on, is all im saying

                          That is an example of his non maturity at this time and moment, and no im not a guy who is piling on him because i have NOT been one of those

                          Something that he just displayed was already there as you can see, it just shows itself in different ways

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                          • da ThRONe
                            Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 8528

                            #10123
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            Originally posted by wwharton
                            I know what you're saying... you've said it throughout but it still doesn't make any sense. His 7 assists and 9 boards doesn't point to someone throwing a game. It seems like you're fighting the obvious just to maintain a belief that he's too good to play that bad. None of us know the truth, but seriously your theory is pretty far fetched.
                            He only attempted 11 shots all game and was giving up the ball like it was on fire. This completely contradicted the way he played all season. Am I to think that Lebron all of a sudden just completely decide to change his game up overnight in the Finals? To me that's less believable then him quiting to try and prove a point.
                            Last edited by da ThRONe; 06-17-2011, 01:14 AM.
                            You looking at the Chair MAN!

                            Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                            • Rocky
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 6896

                              #10124
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              I really have a hard time believe that he was trying to throw the game...or that it was really anything mental at all besides the typical 'slump' that all athletes go through.

                              I actually watched the games again and to me it seemed he was trying to do what seemed like the right thing. I would estimate about 75% of his possessions he faced some sort of double team. Why do you think Spoelstra kept posting LBJ up despite the lack of his postgame? Because more often than not, it drew an instant double team. When iso'd on one side, there would often be a lurker to both his sides. I read a in-depth article in which they describe the 'soft' zone Dallas would play everytime Lebron tried to iso or post up.

                              Kobe, MJ, Dirk, even Cleveland LBJ could and would shoot out of it. But it's not really justifiable when you have Wade or your team, he is averaging 30 for the series, and he has the better matchup.

                              I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation that happens when you lose. If he shoots through double teams, doesn't share the ball, and isos all day and the Heat still lose, than he's selfish, a gloryhog, etc.
                              "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
                              -Rocky Balboa

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                              • Altimus
                                Chelsea, Assemble!
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 27283

                                #10125
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                The bottom line is he didn't show and under performed; as he himself said. I think it has nothing to do with quitting or anything like that. LBJ wants to win. I believe in that.

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