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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
It's different but not insignificant. The Cavs make the playoffs with James even with that sorry squad from his 2nd year. The moves they made are specifically intended to win a championship and part of that is getting a high enough seed to go deep into the playoffs. They have successfully done that. So many teams make the playoffs that being the 8th seed (in the East no less) really isn't saying much. Their entire offensive and defensive philosophy goes in the toilet without Howard.
All in all, my point is you can't say "take X player off Y team and they're better than A team without B player" especially when you're looking at two teams built around players X and B. The teams weren't built to survive without those players so it's a comparison that doesn't make any sense. No matter how good or bad either team would be, they can't be properly evaluated bc the teams would make other moves, adjust the focus of the offense, defensive strategy, etc. We have no idea what they'd really look like.Comment
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You looking at the Chair MAN!
Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.Comment
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
I was giving Jamison the benefit of the doubt, but I agree on some level.
PG - Jameer (over Mo)
SG - Vince (over Parker)
SF - Barnes (over Moon)
PF - Rashard (over Jamison)
C - Gortat or Shaq
Anyway, enough of comparing teams, kinda getting off topic. It's safe to say the Cavs had the worst "next 4" out of any of the teams competing for the title.Comment
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
And in 10 years everyone will either be a ***** or on board with Lebron.
Lebron's legacy winning 5+ chips in Miami is far greater than winning 1 as the man.
The legacy of Lakers and Celtics haven't suffered and all of them were won by committee.Comment
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
You forget we live in a "What have you done for me lately" Society so going by those standards(which would mean speaking on his recent playoff performance from this year)he sure enough didn't do much when it mattered/#RespectTheCultureComment
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
Not getting into the Lakers thing unless it directly relates to where Lebron is going, and I think it has passed that point. Kobe is a 5 time champion and most likely going down as a top ten player, and possibly the greatest Laker of All Time.
We're discussing the guy who still has yet to get anywhere near that convo. Here's the thing: I'm not against Lebron leaving Cleveland. If Lebron is convinced that he can't win without a perennial All Star, then I can't fault that logic, and NY, Chicago and Miami all go onto the table. In Chicago, I think he has the best possible chance to have his cake and eat it too. Great team, great city and he's still the man, despite the fact that we may be looking at a 45-50 win team without him over the next couple of years. Forget about overtaking Jordan and just be MJ-Lite. I get it.
In NY, he's taking the identical path to Dwyane Wade. Management and coaching in NYC have a better precedent than in Chicago, the owner is known for spending, the team has cap space, and what few players are on the roster are all shooters for the interim where he'd be waiting for the rest of the cap space to clear. Winning in NYC would bring immortality, and he'd have to do less of it to be the hero, since NY hasn't won since Michael Jackson was alive and black.
In Miami...ehh...I'm not going to say I have a flat out problem with it in the sense that I understand. You're watching Kobe and Boston play championship tennis, and you're sick of it. All three of them are sick of it, but Lebron most of all, because Kobe is winning on his clock. This is supposed to be the Lebron era, but people are talking about how KOBE can win two or three more rings. That's unacceptable, and I understand doing anything to stop it, especially since this is a rare opportunity, and this contract takes you past the big 3-0. What I don't like is that Wade an Lebron are supposed to be a rivalry, not an alliance. I got no problem with Lebron/Bosh or Bosh/Wade, but Lebron/Bosh/Wade is the path of least resistance. For perspective, just think about how you'd feel if you joined a Fantasy Draft 2k11 league and saw that team on there. Most people would say "can I put Durant on the Lakers?"
My real issue is what he's doing to the city of Cleveland if he leaves, and what he's doing to the owners/coaches/players of all the teams no matter what. It is so utterly classless and unprofessional to make a spectacle of declining a job offer, and on top of that, leaving your home team with nothing to show for it. If he leaves, we'll see the ugly aftermath. There will be a lot of tears in Cleveland. That sports culture has suffered plenty(I mean, you lose your football team, get them back and they're still the Browns??yuck), but to be destroyed in front of the entire country, to watch another city get your best, and to have it all happen at the hands of a born and bred phenom like this?
I really can't imagine it. Having the best athlete in NBA history born in your backyard is a stroke of luck that a city like Cleveland deserves, but having him do this to you just makes it the setup of the most vile joke in sports.Comment
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
I obviously don't know what trolling is. Enlighten me on how exactly I'm "trolling".
Anyhow, I'm listening to the ESPN's Cleveland radio right now, and they mentioned something along the lines of LeBron should be concerned with the health of himself and his family if he chooses someplace other than Cleveland. My question is, why would he want to go back to a City that'd turn completely hostile towards himself and his family if he put his own well being ahead of that of his "fans"?Comment
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
At least one national writer thinks he's staying. Some valid points in here.
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Re: The Official "Where is LeBron going?" Thread
Not going to go too deep into this with you bc I've agreed with pretty much all your points on both this discussion (in previous threads) and the current LBJ discussion. I'll just say I agree with the C's D being THAT good, but also brought that up for comparison sake bc it's like the Cavs choked and suck but the C's just match up well with the Magic. Seems hypocritical.
As for the 2nd part, I also agree and agree that Lebron is that much better than Howard, but the problem is that the offense was run through James THAT much in the playoffs. I put a ton of blame on Mike Brown for making the rest of the team look worse than it actually is.
Yeah that's a different point... just gotta give Shaq some kind of credit for showing up and nobody seems to be doing that. But I think Brown gets most of the blame for how everyone else looked. Neither Mo or Jamison are spot up shooters. Hickson is of great value if you run an uptempo offense, and I actually would say West is too ("great" value is a stretch with West but definitely valuable). Sideshow Bob is also a better offensive option if they push the ball and run more pick and rolls in the half court. The only way it can really be proven is if James goes back to Cleveland and we see how the core looks under Scott (even though I know you love him). But even still, as someone mentioned earlier, I find it very hard to believe that James can carry a team to 60 wins two straight years but the difference of playoff ball is SO big that he can't carry them in the playoffs. Bottom line is the team is better than they get credit for and they've had playoff success as well. Not everybody wins a ring and the Cavs were one of a handful of teams with the ability to do it. That's why I brought up the Magic and Celtics who aren't getting hammered for not winning a ring or even making it back to the finals like the Cavs have been.Comment
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