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  • Suntan Superman
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    • Feb 2009
    • 7135

    #10951
    Originally posted by TMagic
    Figured I post this in here...



    ...You know...just in case...
    How many years in the league for each?
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    • Nathan_OS
      MVP
      • Jun 2011
      • 4465

      #10952
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      Lebron 8

      Jordan 6
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      • TMagic
        G.O.A.T.
        • Apr 2007
        • 7550

        #10953
        Originally posted by Suntan Superman
        How many years in the league for each?



        Originally posted by Nathan_OS
        Lebron 8

        Jordan 6
        Now I'm not "Pro LeBron" or anything. But I honestly think that is an invalid argument.

        Are we just assuming that if Jordan went straight to the league, he'd win a chip in 6 years? You cant do that.

        I dont think college makes a player better OVER TIME. I do believe that it makes a player better in the short term.

        While a lot of it comes from coaching, I think even more of it comes from the fact that a player goes from dominating bums in high school to playing against teams that he cant just run over. In college, every team is going to have guys that are bigger, faster, and maybe even better than you. Plus coaching is a hell of a lot better at the college level compared to high school.

        So night after night a former top high school prospect is going to be challenged by some if the best competition in the world. Not to mention he's going to receive heavy minutes in the rotation as well as being expected to be THE man on the team and lead his team when they need him. Not only that, but their body is more developed upon leaving college than high school.

        It gives a player time to hone his game some before stepping to the big leagues and to grow into their body. So when they finally get there, they will be a lot better off and "nba ready" than someone who just came from high school playing against bummy competition. But I only think that helps players in their earlier years.

        Over time, I think we start to see diminishing returns on that investment from playing in college and by, say, 30 college ball has little to do with how good a player is at this stage in his career.

        So lets say player A is our college athlete. And player B is our high school athlete.

        I think its a fair assumption that Player A will be a better player at about 22 yrs of age than Player B. But then we look at what most consider a players prime around 28-30, I dont think we would have any clue who would be better.

        So with all that being said, I dont think LeBron should be knocked before he's even hit his prime years and that age is a much more fair way to look at things than years in the league.
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        • mKoz26
          In case you forgot...
          • Jan 2009
          • 4685

          #10954
          Re: The LeBron James Thread

          Originally posted by 55
          Drexler wasn't even on the 93-94 Houston championship team and was on the 94-95 Houston championship team for less than half of the season.
          Originally posted by ballsohard
          Ok? He said Hakeem won 2 championships with only role players around him. Drexler was a big part of the team during that 95 championship run. Who cares if he was only there for half the season.
          Regardless, it shows that a player can win a championship without a second star on the team.

          But we've already had this discussion many times before.
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          • Sam Marlowe
            Banned
            • Aug 2010
            • 1230

            #10955
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            Thats the exception, not the rule. This the point.

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            • mKoz26
              In case you forgot...
              • Jan 2009
              • 4685

              #10956
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Originally posted by Sam Marlowe
              Thats the exception, not the rule. This the point.
              There is no rule. There are many ways to win a championship.
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              @CDonkey26

              Originally posted by baumy300
              Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...

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              • Sportsforever
                NL MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 20368

                #10957
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                Originally posted by TMagic
                Figured I post this in here...



                ...You know...just in case...
                I guarantee you that if Lebron had even showed up for the Finals the two times he's been there he wouldn't be labeled a failure. Lebron's label has more to do with his amazing disappearing act than his team's ability to get him a ring.
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                • Nathan_OS
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 4465

                  #10958
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  Originally posted by Sportsforever
                  I guarantee you that if Lebron had even showed up for the Finals the two times he's been there he wouldn't be labeled a failure. Lebron's label has more to do with his amazing disappearing act than his team's ability to get him a ring.
                  I can't even say Lebron choked in 07.

                  They were play a really good San Antonio team, that played really good defence.

                  And Lebrons team was REALLY ****ty
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                  • King_B_Mack
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24450

                    #10959
                    Re: The LeBron James Thread

                    Originally posted by Nathan_OS
                    I can't even say Lebron choked in 07.

                    They were play a really good San Antonio team, that played really good defence.

                    And Lebrons team was REALLY ****ty
                    Yeah, I don't know how anyone can even allow themselves to think that LeBron pulled some disappearing act in the Finals that year. It was a small miracle that THAT particular Cavs team was even there.

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                    • Nathan_OS
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 4465

                      #10960
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                      Yeah, I don't know how anyone can even allow themselves to think that LeBron pulled some disappearing act in the Finals that year. It was a small miracle that THAT particular Cavs team was even there.
                      Especially when you have Larry Hughes as your second leading scorer.
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                      • Cavsfan4life
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1039

                        #10961
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        In 07 he didnt choke, Spurs did a great job that year exposing his weakness which was shooting. The defense we played that year heading up to the finals was something great to see. We stood a chance with them with our defense but with Hughes going down we had no one to defend TP. Will never forget game 5 and game 6 of that DET series, one of the best Cavs memories I have from that team.

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                        • Nathan_OS
                          MVP
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 4465

                          #10962
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Tony Parker was just unguardable .

                          He would take you left, then right, then take ten take you left again.

                          all in under a second.

                          Destroyed the Cavs.

                          Overall, the Spurs played like a team, and thats what wins championships.
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                          • Cavsfan4life
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 1039

                            #10963
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            Originally posted by Nathan_OS
                            Tony Parker was just unguardable .

                            He would take you left, then right, then take ten take you left again.

                            all in under a second.

                            Destroyed the Cavs.

                            Overall, the Spurs played like a team, and thats what wins championships.
                            It was his coming out party lol. No one on the Cavs could defend him. I agree they were the better team and more WAY more experienced. No one can take blame individually for the Cavs losing, they all failed as a team on both ends of the floor.

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                            • SteelersFreak
                              All Star
                              • May 2004
                              • 9582

                              #10964
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              Originally posted by cavsfan4life
                              It was his coming out party lol. No one on the Cavs could defend him. I agree they were the better team and more WAY more experienced. No one can take blame individually for the Cavs losing, they all failed as a team on both ends of the floor.
                              I think people were well aware of Tony Parker before the 2007 Finals...
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                              • Cavsfan4life
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 1039

                                #10965
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                Should of said it in a different way. He was the best player on the Spurs when they won, however back then, a lot of fans(mostly casual), thought he was over rated.

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