Re: The LeBron James Thread
in reading thru the last few pages of this thread i have to say that i think that for whatever the reason alot of folks are giving lebron a serious pass as to his place in nba history up to this point.
to me i just see things alil differently. personally while lebron is a truly great player; i think that this rush to put him up their with the greats at this point in time is more based off of this stats-centric era we are currently in than his actual accomplishment. <---- my own opinion.
so lets look at some key points
- 4mvps to 1 championship. to me that is a failing ratio. just like steve nash with 2 mvps to 0 championships is a failing ratio in my eyes <---- this is just my opinion.
- since the start of the 2007-2008 season, so that 5 yrs, 6 if you include this yr, every team lebron james has been on has been the preseason favorite to win the nba championship. 1 ring.
so to me personally i just dont get how folks can claim that lebron james is dominating the league when he only has 1 championship over the last 5yrs. ppl say he dominating the league like MJ. How? 90-98 = six championships in 8yrs. thats dominating the league, because nobody else was winning rings but him.
somebody needs to explain this dominating thing to me because all i see lebron dominating the league in over the past 5 yrs is stats.
lets look at the facts:
in the same 5yrs span 2008-2012, garnett has 1 ring; kobe has 2rings; dirk has 1 ring; and lebron has 1 ring. so under what criteria does his 1 ring equal dominating the league. esp when you take into consideration that the team that lebron james was on was the preseason fav to win the ring in all 5yrs (this yr tbd)
let me say this, lebron is the best player in the league as of this moment, but to me that doesnt equal dominating the league. to me up til this point in time, lebron's place in history has really been built upon regular season stats (and 1 ring, cant 4get that).
and i say that because when MJ, kobe, shaq, duncan were coming up the talk was all about how many championships can you win, not how well you can fill the stat sheet.
but it seems that when it comes to lebron, because we realise how tough it is to win championships, the ppl who support him are trying to change the rules of the convo. im not even saying that championships should decided everything. but what i am saying is that thats the basis for which everyone else was judged previously. magic, bird, mj, kobe, shaq, duncan. these duded were all judged by the number of championships they won. thats how they earned there seat at the table of greatness.
nobody cared that mj was prolly the best player in the league even in the 80's. they didnt care about his skillset or how great his statline was; all they cared about was that he wasnt winning championships. thats the criteria he had to live up to in order to earn his seat at the table. and there are other great players that dont get to sit at the table because they didnt win 1 or even more than 1 championship.
and now that were are in this stats-centric era, and lebron is the king of that, folks wanta change the criteria by which the participants get there seat at the table.
so call me a h@ter (didnt know they block out that word) or whatever you guys wanna call it, but until i see some more hardwear on them fingers, i just cant put him at the table with the other legends of the game at this point in time.
if other folks wanna let his sit down based on other criteria, thats your business.
but since all the great players b4 lebron were all judged by the number of championships they won; im going to hold him to that same standard; because thats the only FAIR thing to do.
and so in that regard i am saying that alot of folks are giving lebron a pass, based on stats and regular season dominance. how i was raised to be a sports fan was that legends were created because they dominated the post season.
** FYI, i never once said what lebron couldnt do in his career, so i dont want folks to get that twisted. i want that to be very clear.
But what i am saying is that I can only give a man credit for what he has done in his career not for what he might do in his career. and what lebron has done is his career sofar is win 1 championship.
when MJ was asked kobe or lebron, what was his response? 5 is greater than 1. he responded that way for a reason. and that reason was because that was the criteria upon which he was judged. and thats the era i come from to.
the era where you have to win more championships than your competition in order to say you dominated over your era.
in reading thru the last few pages of this thread i have to say that i think that for whatever the reason alot of folks are giving lebron a serious pass as to his place in nba history up to this point.
to me i just see things alil differently. personally while lebron is a truly great player; i think that this rush to put him up their with the greats at this point in time is more based off of this stats-centric era we are currently in than his actual accomplishment. <---- my own opinion.
so lets look at some key points
- 4mvps to 1 championship. to me that is a failing ratio. just like steve nash with 2 mvps to 0 championships is a failing ratio in my eyes <---- this is just my opinion.
- since the start of the 2007-2008 season, so that 5 yrs, 6 if you include this yr, every team lebron james has been on has been the preseason favorite to win the nba championship. 1 ring.
so to me personally i just dont get how folks can claim that lebron james is dominating the league when he only has 1 championship over the last 5yrs. ppl say he dominating the league like MJ. How? 90-98 = six championships in 8yrs. thats dominating the league, because nobody else was winning rings but him.
somebody needs to explain this dominating thing to me because all i see lebron dominating the league in over the past 5 yrs is stats.
lets look at the facts:
in the same 5yrs span 2008-2012, garnett has 1 ring; kobe has 2rings; dirk has 1 ring; and lebron has 1 ring. so under what criteria does his 1 ring equal dominating the league. esp when you take into consideration that the team that lebron james was on was the preseason fav to win the ring in all 5yrs (this yr tbd)
let me say this, lebron is the best player in the league as of this moment, but to me that doesnt equal dominating the league. to me up til this point in time, lebron's place in history has really been built upon regular season stats (and 1 ring, cant 4get that).
and i say that because when MJ, kobe, shaq, duncan were coming up the talk was all about how many championships can you win, not how well you can fill the stat sheet.
but it seems that when it comes to lebron, because we realise how tough it is to win championships, the ppl who support him are trying to change the rules of the convo. im not even saying that championships should decided everything. but what i am saying is that thats the basis for which everyone else was judged previously. magic, bird, mj, kobe, shaq, duncan. these duded were all judged by the number of championships they won. thats how they earned there seat at the table of greatness.
nobody cared that mj was prolly the best player in the league even in the 80's. they didnt care about his skillset or how great his statline was; all they cared about was that he wasnt winning championships. thats the criteria he had to live up to in order to earn his seat at the table. and there are other great players that dont get to sit at the table because they didnt win 1 or even more than 1 championship.
and now that were are in this stats-centric era, and lebron is the king of that, folks wanta change the criteria by which the participants get there seat at the table.
so call me a h@ter (didnt know they block out that word) or whatever you guys wanna call it, but until i see some more hardwear on them fingers, i just cant put him at the table with the other legends of the game at this point in time.
if other folks wanna let his sit down based on other criteria, thats your business.
but since all the great players b4 lebron were all judged by the number of championships they won; im going to hold him to that same standard; because thats the only FAIR thing to do.
and so in that regard i am saying that alot of folks are giving lebron a pass, based on stats and regular season dominance. how i was raised to be a sports fan was that legends were created because they dominated the post season.
** FYI, i never once said what lebron couldnt do in his career, so i dont want folks to get that twisted. i want that to be very clear.
But what i am saying is that I can only give a man credit for what he has done in his career not for what he might do in his career. and what lebron has done is his career sofar is win 1 championship.
when MJ was asked kobe or lebron, what was his response? 5 is greater than 1. he responded that way for a reason. and that reason was because that was the criteria upon which he was judged. and thats the era i come from to.
the era where you have to win more championships than your competition in order to say you dominated over your era.
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