The LeBron James Thread

[JerzeyReign]

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i didnt include this yr in my post because this yr hasnt finished yet. but what where the heat's odd via vegas?

and yes the lakers had an alltime epic fail. i do accept that.

edit: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...itle-favorites

i did not know this info prior to just now finding it out. i do not know if you knew either but if you did then it is kinda misleading to post that the lakers were 5-2 favorites if they werent favorite to win the title. but again i didnt include this yr anyway as its still unfolding.

I did know this info prior to me posting it thats why I posted it. I find it funny that you attempted to use Vegas odds to measure Lebron's "failure" or "non dominant" stature in the league today. Maybe you were going somewhere with it and thats why I posted the Lakers' line. Lines fluctuate so much its almost pointless to use that as a foundation of a "forum debate". Vegas looked at LA and said they are a great paper team. Basketball fans know winning is a lot more than looking good on paper.

But besides that, whats the point of backhand complimenting Lebron? You call Lebron an all time talent but question his legendary status. Are you using the "ring argument"? If so, we could go down the list of cement legends without a ring but we all know those names already.

Whats your definition of a legend? Instead of me giving you my definition and we go back and forth with it - give me yours - maybe that'll make this easier instead of us treading the same arguments which will lead to the Forum OGs going crazy.

[JerzeyReign]

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folks would like me to move on from the topic, so ima let it go...4 now.

Ahhh, the Forum OGs got you already haha. I would have loved to have the convo with you - I love talking basketball and don't care if its the same topic.

[The 24th Letter]

Ahhh, the Forum OGs got you already haha. I would have loved to have the convo with you - I love talking basketball and don't care if its the same topic.

Is this going to be your new schtick? "Forum OG's"?, Man, as many times as this thread has gone I circles, if it was up to the "forum OG's" it'd be gone by now, lol

I can't speak for anyone else, all I ask for is to say what you mean, lol, If someone posts something you disagree with...why go some roundabout way with a obligatory question instead of quoting the posts you have a opinion on and responding?

You guys have the right to post whatever you want, no mod in here is telling you otherwise....

[King_B_Mack]

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2009-2010 era BnG there lol.

Anyway I just want to see people enjoy the moment of LeBron and stop trying to put everything he does under a microscope both ways. Stop ****ting on other players just to force feed the all-time great talk with everything he does. Stop ****ting on everything he does just to protect whatever all-time great you love that you don't want to call him better than. Just watch it and be happy that you're not gonna have to read about how great LeBron was like a lot of us have to do about Bill and Wilt.

[JerzeyReign]

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Is this going to be your new schtick? "Forum OG's"?, Man, as many times as this thread has gone I circles, if it was up to the "forum OG's" it'd be gone by now, lol

I can't speak for anyone else, all I ask for is to say what you mean, lol, If someone posts something you disagree with...why go some roundabout way with a obligatory question instead of quoting the posts you have a opinion on and responding?

You guys have the right to post whatever you want, no mod in here is telling you otherwise....

C'mon B - real recognizes real and whats understood doesn't have to be said. If there is a post I disagree with or a topic I'm tired of discussing I ignore it. Ignoring posts is something I wish you dudes who spend a lot of time in this forum would do instead of posting these "not this again" posts. Taj probably had a good argument - might have been a new perspective.

[TajDeni]

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I did know this info prior to me posting it thats why I posted it. I find it funny that you attempted to use Vegas odds to measure Lebron's "failure" or "non dominant" stature in the league today. Maybe you were going somewhere with it and thats why I posted the Lakers' line. Lines fluctuate so much its almost pointless to use that as a foundation of a "forum debate". Vegas looked at LA and said they are a great paper team. Basketball fans know winning is a lot more than looking good on paper.

But besides that, whats the point of backhand complimenting Lebron? You call Lebron an all time talent but question his legendary status. Are you using the "ring argument"? If so, we could go down the list of cement legends without a ring but we all know those names already.

Whats your definition of a legend? Instead of me giving you my definition and we go back and forth with it - give me yours - maybe that'll make this easier instead of us treading the same arguments which will lead to the Forum OGs going crazy.

im only answering this post because i missed it and it ask me a direct question.

i was never using vegas in my post. i didnt even know that information. i had stated that i was using the national media analyst who were picking the team lebron was on to get to the finals.

as far as what makes a legend, thats not what im taking into consideration. to me lebron has everything that it takes to be a legend of some level. i mean that much is crystal clear.

but there are levels within levels to everything and b4 i place lebron in the most inner of inner circles imo he's gonna have to win a few more championships. and 4 no other reason than because the players at the inner most level of greatness that we are talking about here, they all have them. 3-4 of them. you never heard me 1x ever say that lebron had to get 6 or even 5. but he has to atleast get 3-4 then we take his other accomplishments into account and submit his application for the throne. but until he gets 3-4 im not even considering his application. (in my own mind)

ok, im done i just didnt see this post b4 i said i was done posting. and he asked me a direct question.

[TajDeni]

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Ahhh, the Forum OGs got you already haha. I would have loved to have the convo with you - I love talking basketball and don't care if its the same topic.

nobody got to me personally, i could just tell from the vibe that folks werent interested in having the convo.

maybe because i havent been posting on the boards for 10yrs or so i dont really understand the frustratons. but i kinda dont really like that there are subjects around here that folks dont really wanna get into to. because sometimes i really dont understand where folks are coming from with their povs.

but i guess i havent been around long enough to grow tired of certain topics. but truthfully i hope i never become that way. but maybe it is inevitable.

but naw nobody got to me

[ojandpizza]

My thing is the people that go out of their way to make LeBron the best defensive player in the league by saying he should win the DPOY award every year or get up in arms when he doesn't win it. LeBron's defense is overrated. While very good and among the best in the league it's more of a stretch think no other defender in the league is remotely close to LeBron's level than to think he can't guard all 5 positions. Yeah, he could probably guard the Tim Duncans or Marc Gasols of the world in spots of the game but is he going to come out and effectively do it every minute he's on the floor? Yeah he shut down Derrick Rose for the last two minutes of a game, would he do that if he played Derrick the whole game? Tony Allen, Luol Deng, Shane Battier these guys and more have to take the toughest matchups on the floor through the entire game, every game and are effective but LeBron should just win Defensive Player of the Year every year because for two to five minutes throughout the course of a couple games a year he shuts someobody down, possibly out of position?

Think about the guys who always win defensive player of the year though, how often do they guard the other teams best player? Is that the criteria you think should make you the leagues best defender?

Allen, Deng, Battier they all have better on ball defense than LeBron that's true. But LeBron is a better shot blocker, and better defensive rebounder, WAY more versatile, he can guard almost any position regardless of for how long, and he can guard the other teams best player... Plus his ability to play the passing lane is probably the best in the league..

He doesn't do it every game like Allen, Iggy, Deng, etc. he doesn't have to, that's not really his role, but to say his overall defensive ability isn't on par with theirs, or that he doesn't bring as much to the table defensively as those guys do is a big stretch IMO.

I've saw him defend Kobe well, Melo, Durant, Rose, Garnett, David West, pretty much any player who gives the Heat problems he switches and takes them.. Ask Tony Allen to do that, ask nearly anybody else in the league to do that... And that's still not even factoring in his ability to block shots, play the passing lane, and snatch those defensive boards.

He'll never play the on ball defense Allen does, block shots like Ibaka does, or rebound like Tyson does, but his combination of all that plus more is incomparable to anybody else playing in today's NBA.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Forum OGs?

Is that what they call posters on a Message Board nowadays?

Taj probably had a good argument - might have been a new perspective.

He's free to make that argument if he wants. It's not like people are gonna run up on him in the street for posting something different. So if has something to say, then he's free to say it.

Shoot, I KNOW I've said things that people on here wouldn't necessarily agree with, but that doesn't mean I should be afraid to post it because I'm worried about the "Forum OGs" or whatever the hell they're called on here nowadays.

But LeBron is a better shot blocker, and better defensive rebounder, WAY more versatile, he can guard almost any position regardless of for how long, and he can guard the other teams best player... Plus his ability to play the passing lane is probably the best in the league..

Opinion, opinion, opinion and opinion. Let's not pass this off as if there facts, which is probably where King is coming from.

[ojandpizza]

@Taj people don't like the discussion because nobody else here but you thinks what you're saying makes any sense. Championships do not solely define a players greatness. Wilt only has two of them, are you going to tell me he isn't legendary too? Kevin Garnett? Karl Malone? Barkley? Moses? Dr. J? Jerry West (the damn logo for crying out loud).. So on and so on... Sometimes players can't control the fact that there are TEAMS that have a better collection of players/coaches than what they have.

Forget the ring argument, forget his expectations, his stats, his hype, his whatever else.. Do you WATCH the guy play? Do you watch his games? Do you actually SEE what he has done this season, what he did last season???

[TajDeni]

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yall need to stop.

nobody scared me away from posting nor did anyone ask me to not post what i had to say.

to be honest, it just didnt feel like anyone wanted to seriously have the convo i was trying to have. and a man cant have a typing convo by himself. and so i just dropped it to save my fingers

plus im off to try and find away to catch the fight 2night without shelling out $60 for it.

[ojandpizza]

If calling LeBron a better shot blocker, defensive rebounder, and better at guarding multiple positions than Tony Allen can be considered an opinion then calling Allen a better on ball defender than James should be labeled an opinion as well..

Sure there isn't some "fact" in the laws of basketball that states any of that is true but c'mon...

[King_B_Mack]

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Think about the guys who always win defensive player of the year though, how often do they guard the other teams best player? Is that the criteria you think should make you the leagues best defender?

Allen, Deng, Battier they all have better on ball defense than LeBron that's true. But LeBron is a better shot blocker, and better defensive rebounder, WAY more versatile, he can guard almost any position regardless of for how long, and he can guard the other teams best player... Plus his ability to play the passing lane is probably the best in the league..

He doesn't do it every game like Allen, Iggy, Deng, etc. he doesn't have to, that's not really his role, but to say his overall defensive ability isn't on par with theirs, or that he doesn't bring as much to the table defensively as those guys do is a big stretch IMO.

I've saw him defend Kobe well, Melo, Durant, Rose, Garnett, David West, pretty much any player who gives the Heat problems he switches and takes them.. Ask Tony Allen to do that, ask nearly anybody else in the league to do that... And that's still not even factoring in his ability to block shots, play the passing lane, and snatch those defensive boards.

He'll never play the on ball defense Allen does, block shots like Ibaka does, or rebound like Tyson does, but his combination of all that plus more is incomparable to anybody else playing in today's NBA.

When did I say this? Don't worry, I'll wait.

[ojandpizza]

When did I say this? Don't worry, I'll wait.

You didn't, I assumed it was implied when you said LeBron's defense was overrated and that since he can only do what those guys do for a two to five minute span he shouldn't be considered for defensive player of the year.

[BDKiiing]

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Who cares what LeBrons as accomplished, he won't do what Jordan or Kobe done and thats win 5 championships.

The championship argument is stupid. So what happens when LBJ wins his 6th ring?

Exactly, shouldn't the standard be 11 championships in 13 seasons

That's exactly how it should be if championships are the basis for greatness. Russell=GOAT.

LeBron's defense is overrated.

There's nothing overrated about LBJ's game.