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  • ojandpizza
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2011
    • 29807

    #14881
    Re: The LeBron James Thread

    Cavs were only a better fit from the standpoint of “LeBron needs shooters around him” point of view. But when the playoffs rolled around and Smith, Love, Hill, Green, Hood, Clarkson were all shooting in the low 30’s% or in some cases worse, the shooting “fit” kind of went out the window. If they aren’t going to hit 3’s might as well have guys who can defend and make plays like what the Lakers have..

    As far as how good the team will be, I’m really torn. It’s an odd mix, where with the Cavs you at least had an idea of the direction they were going in. The Lakers success rate will depend almost entirely on the type of jump Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, and Hart make. If any of them have a “breakout” year, especially more than one of them, this team could have a pretty good year.

    The positive here vs Cleveland is they have multiple playmakers, they have people who can defend, and they should have a better balance as far as not living and dying by one thing, they should be better on the break which makes me think we’ll get more of that Wade-Bron fastbreak type of action with Ball/Rondo.

    The team lacks top tier talent, especially if there is no breakout season. Probably the least amount of top level talent LeBron has had since his first go around with Cleveland all while facing better competition. But this might be the deepest team he’s played on. Not really a situation where the bench is depleted and old, or where guys are completely one dimensional. With this team I can’t really imagine them just falling off a damn cliff any time LeBron sits for 3 minutes or doesn’t touch the ball on consecutive trips up the court.

    Even when the Cavs had Kyrie it was basically just Kyrie-iso any time the play didn’t run through Bron. Which if Kyrie wasn’t hot looked just as disastrous as anything they did this year. I actually feel like off ball movement from Bron was better this season than any year with Kyrie, maybe because he felt like he would get the ball if he cut, but not having Kyrie limited them because everyone else outside of Love was basically spot up shooters.

    Ultimately it really depends on those younger guys. I think they are definitely a playoff team, I don’t see them missing the playoffs entirely. I understand they are unproven, the West is deep, but it’s hard for me to sit here and see the Jazz will be a 3 seed predictions and the Lakers might miss the playoffs lol. I just don’t see a team with LeBron and any cast of players no matter how young being a non-competitive team. Once the playoffs start they have pieces to make games interesting, but I don’t really see any sort of deep run if this is their final roster.




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    • TMagic
      G.O.A.T.
      • Apr 2007
      • 7550

      #14882
      Re: The LeBron James Thread

      I'm just curious about what JazzMan thinks [emoji848]

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      • jeebs9
        Fear is the Unknown
        • Oct 2008
        • 47568

        #14883
        Re: The LeBron James Thread

        All I can say is the ball is going to be flying around. Like you thought the Lakers had one of the best pace in the NBA. They should be even better this year.
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        • AlexBrady
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 3341

          #14884
          Re: The LeBron James Thread

          Daryl Morey is mistaken in his belief that LeBron James is the GOAT by a bit of a margin. He is certainly among the top handful of non-bigs to play the game but his considerable flaws keep him out of the very top spot.

          Michael Jordan was a more consistent perimeter shooter from beyond 15 feet. Since MJ was much quicker than LeBron he was also much more capable of defending speedy opponents man to man. Off the ball, MJ was more active making swift dive cuts.

          Oscar Robertson was also a finer player than LBJ. He was a better passer and post up player. He was slightly quicker and a more consistent defender.
          Last edited by AlexBrady; 08-20-2018, 12:32 PM.

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          • Majingir
            Moderator
            • Apr 2005
            • 47579

            #14885
            Re: The LeBron James Thread

            lol, NBA.com is in ultimate clickbait mode.

            Front page story on their site:
            "What if Kobe came back to play with LeBron?"

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            • Vni
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2011
              • 14833

              #14886
              Re: The LeBron James Thread

              Originally posted by Majingir
              lol, NBA.com is in ultimate clickbait mode.

              Front page story on their site:
              "What if Kobe came back to play with LeBron?"

              What if Wilt came back to play with Lebron ? Their next article.

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              • ojandpizza
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 29807

                #14887
                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                Keep thinking of the Lakers with all those young guys, and all those new guys, and always in the mix I forget about Caldwell-Pope still being on the roster and still only 25 years old himself.

                In my previous post I had mentioned that the team is only going to be as good/bad as how much progression those young guys make coming into this year. But that didn't factor in KCP.

                What would be your guys take on what to expect from him next year? Does he start over Hart? Solid defender who keeps creeping closer to 40% from three, might crack it this year with multiple passers on the team. Seems like last season I would catch him scoring 30 and then the next Lakers game I got around to checking out he would have 6. What type of consistency level should be expected next year?

                Does he still look like the type of player who's going to improve and get more consistent or is he the type who will always be up and down. One would think that with the whole team being up and down so young that would have been a big reason for him being up and down as well. Is there some truth to that, or is he just that kind of player. If he does settle in and improve is he a borderline 20 a game guy? Or is it going to be a reduced role thing where he's closer to a 10 a game guy.

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                • AlexBrady
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3341

                  #14888
                  Re: The LeBron James Thread

                  With LeBron dominating the ball and only looking to make assist passes I would expect the development of the Laker's young players to be stunted. Standing around and waiting for the 'golden pass' does nothing for a player's growth.

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                  • ojandpizza
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 29807

                    #14889
                    Re: The LeBron James Thread

                    Originally posted by AlexBrady
                    With LeBron dominating the ball and only looking to make assist passes I would expect the development of the Laker's young players to be stunted. Standing around and waiting for the 'golden pass' does nothing for a player's growth.
                    LeBron was in the 97th percentile for total passes made, not just assists, making 57 passes a game for roughly 9 assists per game. His potential assists were only at 17 a game, meaning that 40 of his passes were not "golden pass" opportunities. Hardly a percentage of his total passes that would reflect any sort of over dominance or stunted growth by over-waiting on only ideal passes.

                    Plus yours, and others, over exaggeration of how long he actually holds on to the ball is a bit skewed from your perspective compared to what it actually is. He doesn't even crack the top 50 for average seconds per touch, or average dribbles per touch. His average dribbles per touch actually doesn't even crack the top 100, and is only 43rd out of anyone who plays over 25 minutes a game.

                    His usage this season ranked the highest it's been over the past few years, understandable considering the landscape of the team, was 5th overall. Eerly similar to Kawhi and Giannis type of numbers. Below Harden, Embiid, Westbrook, Cousins, and below Jordan's career or even Kobe's career average, and all the way back to 125th all time. In fact the highest usage rate season of his career only ranks 39th all time, and none of that factors in the type of usage rates guys like Wilt for example would have had. Nothing incomparable to you norm for players who are relied on to that degree by any means.

                    Plus the team performs better with him on the floor and with the ball. The team shoots more efficiently with him on the floor overall and from the 3 point line, they score more points per minute, get more assists per minute, and have a better +/-, all with him on the floor vs off. The teams offensive rating drops from 5th in the league with him on the floor to what would be second to last (Phoenix still worse) with him off the floor. The teams assist ratio drops, turnover percentage goes up and TS% goes from 2nd in the league to what would be about 19th.

                    Of any 5 man line-up combination that the Cavs featured this season 23 of the top 25 scoring line-ups featured LeBron on the floor. 20 of the top 25 line-ups for +/- had him on the floor, 19 of the top 25 line-ups for FG% had him on the floor, 19 of the top 25 line-ups for eFG% had him on the floor, plus the Cavs as a team shoot 52% on potential assists from LeBron, up from their 45ish% overall.

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                    • AlexBrady
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3341

                      #14890
                      Re: The LeBron James Thread

                      LeBron doesn't make many passes that result in his teammates throwing assist passes. Simply watching him play you can tell that he is constantly looking to force the assist pass.

                      He is a very good skilled passer and he controls the ball so he piles up a ton of assists. Cleveland's offensive attack was totally keyed to his penetrations and pushes so it isn't surprising at all that they struggle when he sits.

                      When LeBron gives up the ball how often do you see him set a sturdy weak-side screen? Very rarely.

                      Furthermore, since LBJ plays like a point forward it is only natural to compare him to the progenitors of the position, Rick Barry and John Johnson. Those two did a better job of constantly keeping their teammates engaged in the offense.

                      Letting LeBron dominate the ball will lead to many wins but it will put a glass ceiling on the ultimate success that the Lakers can achieve.

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                      • King_B_Mack
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #14891
                        Re: The LeBron James Thread

                        So how long before LeBron drives Lonzo and his daddy to LAX himself before he winds up stomping out LaVar?

                        LaVar running his mouth yet again. Yet again talking about Bronny. TMZ asked him what were the chances that he’d try to sign Bronny for the JBA. LaVar of course couldn’t help himself and went down the rabbit hole of how Bronny would have to try out to make sure he was good enough to play in the league. How even though he may have college offers, the JBA is above the college game etc.

                        Pretty sure Bron has already told him to keep Bronny’s name out his mouth?


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                        • Vni
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 14833

                          #14892
                          Re: The LeBron James Thread

                          Originally posted by AlexBrady
                          LeBron doesn't make many passes that result in his teammates throwing assist passes. Simply watching him play you can tell that he is constantly looking to force the assist pass.

                          He is a very good skilled passer and he controls the ball so he piles up a ton of assists. Cleveland's offensive attack was totally keyed to his penetrations and pushes so it isn't surprising at all that they struggle when he sits.

                          When LeBron gives up the ball how often do you see him set a sturdy weak-side screen? Very rarely.

                          Furthermore, since LBJ plays like a point forward it is only natural to compare him to the progenitors of the position, Rick Barry and John Johnson. Those two did a better job of constantly keeping their teammates engaged in the offense.

                          Letting LeBron dominate the ball will lead to many wins but it will put a glass ceiling on the ultimate success that the Lakers can achieve.
                          I agree with the last paragraph. Especially more true as he ages.

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                          • lilteapot
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 4550

                            #14893
                            Re: The LeBron James Thread

                            I was watching a video of Magic playing after his return from retirement and I thought that was how LeBron needed to play; in the post, off the ball, get easy opportunities, occasionally bring the ball up on a fastbreak opportunity. The more he pounds the ball at the perimeter the more the team loses valuable seconds on the shot clock. And it's the best way to go if he wants to ensure longevity into his late thirties. I wonder if Magic has spoken with him about his.

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                            • Kashanova
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 12695

                              #14894
                              Re: The LeBron James Thread

                              Seeing Lebron in a Lakers uniform is one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever seen. My hate for the lakers is too strong, I won't be rooting for Lebron this year. However, just need to comment on Alex's assertion of Lebron's passing, to say he force assists just proves you don't watch him play much. If the hockey assist were a real stat, he'd lead the league in that stat, his passes usually lead to better shots from all the attention he attracts. This is especially true when he played in the pace and space system.

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                              • AlexBrady
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 3341

                                #14895
                                Re: The LeBron James Thread

                                For sure. LeBron is a terrific passer and reads the floor expertly. He can create scoring opportunities on virtually all high screen/roll set ups. Since he is such a powerful and irresistible lane penetrator defenses must collapse on him which leads to scrambling inside-out rotations and the hockey assists.

                                How often will LeBron intentionally make a simple wing or reverse pass, cut through the middle and then emerge on the other side with options at his disposal? I don't see it. The idea is to constantly keep himself and his teammates involved in the action as that is the most effective way to play offensive basketball.

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