Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

[Scott812313]

Re: Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

The ability to drain 3 after 3 lights up the scoreboard, and equalizes to some degree those things that you say Melo holds over Grainger in the postgame.

Danny is a far better shooter from range too, and can slash and dunk w/ the best of 'em. Looking at 2008-09 when both players played roughly the same amount of games (Danny 67, Melo 66), Grainger surpasses him in almost evey Hollinger statistic. PER is almost a full 3pts higher. I think Melo is getting by on (1) Being Melo, i.e. being in our consciousness from postseason play and namesake (2) Piggy backing on 1, from the supporting cast around him.

The idea of Grainger getting it done on less of a team is a tired argument because it cuts both ways. While someone says he can shoot and do everything he does because he's the only superstar, one can also say because he's the focal point of the team opposing D's should be shutting him down, which they have been unable to do for the most part.

My top 10 in no particular order of players I'd take before Rose:

Howard
Lebron
Wade
Deron
CP3
Rondo
Roy
Grainger
Melo
Bosh

This made me lol.

[tpe14]

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I got into a debate in which I said I would rather have Rose over any other PG if I had to "choose" for the future.

Ok, other contenders would be.......

CP3 - It's a wash for me and I would rather have a younger player.
Derron Williams - Derron Williams is a better scorer the Rose, but I would rather have Rose's upside intangibles, and defense.
Rondo - Rondo is just surrounded by superior talent to Rose, all things being equal Rose is better.

Preparing to be flamed.
If someone says they would rather have John Wall, I am going to drive to their place of residence and kick them in the shin.

I think Russell westbrook should be in that list as well.

[JBH3]

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This made me lol.

Your list oh great one?

[Jukeman]

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I guess this is assuming that no player over the next 10 years that comes out of the draft will become a superstar?

Yeah, 10 years is a long time and alot could happen, just ask Grant Hill...Not to mention the new talent every year..

[ehh]

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I guess this is assuming that no player over the next 10 years that comes out of the draft will become a superstar?

Yeah, pretty funny since if this thread was made a decade ago, none of the current "top 10 guys" were even in the league outside of Kobe.

[Scott812313]

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Your list oh great one?

1. Durant
2. Wade
3. Lebron
4. Howard
5. Rondo
6. Rose
7. Westbrook
8. D-Will
9. Amar'e
10.Tyreke

[K-oss]

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List for the Next Decade(as of right now)

1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. Howard
4. Melo
5. Wade(Honestly might not make it)
6. Bosh
7. Rose
8. Tyreke
9. Jennings(okay this might be a reach lol)
10. Steph Curry (Mike Bibby Clone, with a slightly better stroke and has a killer "instinct"

[JBH3]

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1. Durant
2. Wade
3. Lebron
4. Howard
5. Rondo
6. Rose
7. Westbrook
8. D-Will
9. Amar'e
10.Tyreke

I like Westbrook but unsure if he will become a top10 NBA player over the next decade. With John Wall coming in, and who knows who else it's REAL hard to put Westbrook in the top 10 of NBA players. Plus considering guys already in the league (Melo, Bosh alone).

Amar'e....let's just say he's not top10 now, and that is w/ playing w/ Steve Nash.

Plus he's older than both Roy and Granger, who you lol'd at (Amar'e 28, Granger 27, Roy 25), and unlike Roy and Granger -- who play on a team where they do not have another superstar quality player like Nash -- we see them still dominating night in/out. If Amar'e goes somewhere w/ a lesser PG his produciton will prolly decline, if he stays in PHX and plays w/ Nash is production will decline once Nash retires. Don't know how he makes your top10 over the next decade list.

[Scott812313]

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I like Westbrook but unsure if he will become a top10 NBA player over the next decade. With John Wall coming in, and who knows who else it's REAL hard to put Westbrook in the top 10 of NBA players. Plus considering guys already in the league (Melo, Bosh alone).

Amar'e....let's just say he's not top10 now, and that is w/ playing w/ Steve Nash.

Plus he's older than both Roy and Granger, who you lol'd at (Amar'e 28, Granger 27, Roy 25), and unlike Roy and Granger -- who play on a team where they do not have another superstar quality player like Nash -- we see them still dominating night in/out. If Amar'e goes somewhere w/ a lesser PG his produciton will prolly decline, if he stays in PHX and plays w/ Nash is production will decline once Nash retires. Don't know how he makes your top10 over the next decade list.

I've NEVER seen Brandon Roy or Danny Granger dominate ANY game, let alone night in night out. Amar'e is a dominant force. EVERY GM in the NBA would take Amar'e Stoudamire over Roy or Granger in a heartbeat. They are probably the 2 most overrated players in the league.

[JBH3]

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I've NEVER seen Brandon Roy or Danny Granger dominate ANY game, let alone night in night out. Amar'e is a dominant force. EVERY GM in the NBA would take Amar'e Stoudamire over Roy or Granger in a heartbeat. They are probably the 2 most overrated players in the league.

Your post holds no merit. First, don't hit me w/ the utmost subjective "every GM" crap. There's nothing to substantiate your claim in that regard. It's not like Amar'e was a consensus #1 pick either, he was drafted #0 overall in 2002 -- Nikoloz Tskitishvili was taken before him; not to mention Dunleavy, DaJuan Wagner, Nene, and Chris Wilcox.

The notion that neither Roy or Grainger have not dominated games in their careers is just redonkulous. I can immediately point to Roy's 52 pt game in '08. As for Granger, you don't avg 25 and 24 a game over the last two seasons, and NOT end up dominating some amount of those games.

Regardless this back and forth is tired.

[Scott812313]

Re: Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

Your post holds no merit. First, don't hit me w/ the utmost subjective "every GM" crap. There's nothing to substantiate your claim in that regard. It's not like Amar'e was a consensus #1 pick either, he was drafted #0 overall in 2002 --Nikoloz Tskitishvili was taken before him; not to mention Dunleavy, DaJuan Wagner, Nene, and Chris Wilcox.

The notion that neither Roy or Grainger have not dominated games in their careers is just redonkulous. I can immediately point to Roy's 52 pt game in '08. As for Granger, you don't avg 25 and 24 a game over the last two seasons, and NOT end up dominating some amount of those games.

Regardless this back and forth is tired.

Greg Oden was selected before Durant. Darko Milicic was picked before Wade/Melo/Bosh. Marvin Williams was picked before D-Will and CP3. Sam Bowie was selected prior to Jordan. Good argument bro.

[K-oss]

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I've NEVER seen Brandon Roy or Danny Granger dominate ANY game, let alone night in night out. Amar'e is a dominant force. EVERY GM in the NBA would take Amar'e Stoudamire over Roy or Granger in a heartbeat. They are probably the 2 most overrated players in the league.

How are Roy and Granger overrated ?

Just a genuine question

[Scott812313]

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How are Roy and Granger overrated ?

Just a genuine question

Would you give either a max deal? They will both want one. Neither deserves it. How many times has the "superstar" Danny Granger gotten the Pacers into the playoffs in the horrendous (at the bottom) East?

[Starlin4Prez]

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Derrick Rose can absolutely be in the Top 5. First of all you have to think that in 5 years, Kobe won't be in the league or if he is, will be at the end of the line, LeBron will be 30, Wade will be 33 and the way he plays the game, will probably have lost a step or two. Obviously we can't predict who will come into the league in 5 years, but with the skill set that Rose currently has at only a 2 year vet in the league, the handles, the speed, the killer instinct when getting to the basket and his ever improving mid-range game he has the tools to be top 5 easy. He already has shown the ability to take over basketball games and you have to imagine that naturally he is only going to get better. Durant will obviously be up there, and I imagine LeBron will be up there as well barring no career changing injury to any of these players. Dwight Howard will obviously be there. But after that who really is there now that you can say will be there, that isn't already in their prime as we speak. Joe Johnson? Chris Bosh? etc, etc...I would say that in 5-10 years Derrick Rose will be a Top 5 player in this league and it's no coincidence that the Bulls wanted to build their team of the future around him.

[da ThRONe]

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Would you give either a max deal? They will both want one. Neither deserves it. How many times has the "superstar" Danny Granger gotten the Pacers into the playoffs in the horrendous (at the bottom) East?

Who calls Danny Granger a superstar? He's not overrated because unless your a nba fan you probably dont even know who he is. Outside of LeBron and Carmelo I cant think of a better 3. Maybe Rudy Gay.

So while he may not be a max contract guy he surely isnt overrated.