Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

Game 6 - 4/17 - 8 points - 19 assists - 9 rebounds (3OT Game)

Game 7 - 2/8 - 7 points - 11 assists - 5 rebounds - 4 TO

Dominating? No. Still contributed, especially with the dimes but far from his past game performances. His shooting also hurt his team greatly.

I agree, disappeared was a strong word but I only meant it based on his superior past game performances.

Yeah game 7 he seemed to be out of gas.

Eddie House went off in that game, took a lot of pressure off the starters.

[JBH3]

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They might? But my money is on those 9 guys for now. They are the safest money.

Granger doesn't have the it factor and he doesn't strike me as a win at all costs player.. which all the great ones have.
Evans could very well be included, it's going to be tough though as Sacramento is like the Toronto/Indy/Milwaukee of the West. Meaning no stars are clamoring to join him.
Brook is also another possibility, but like I said above, the safe money is on the guys I listed.

Grainger has "it", you just can't see it because he plays on Indy. He's a well groomed player w/ a competitive fire instilled in him from a strong father .

Plus we're forgetting about Brandon Roy, and his gutsy performance playing w/ injury in the postseason. Roy is someone I'd consider over Rose as well.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Grainger has "it", you just can't see it because he plays on Indy. He's a well groomed player w/ a competitive fire instilled in him from a strong father .

Plus we're forgetting about Brandon Roy, and his gutsy performance playing w/ injury in the postseason. Roy is someone I'd consider over Rose as well.

Haha trust me, as much as I've dogged the NBA this year, it doesn't mean I haven't watched.

He'll have to prove to me that he's of top 10 ilk because the guys ahead of him have been putting in work and their skill sets impress me more.

Roy should be in the top 10 for certain, so that rounds out my list at 10.

[USF11]

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Haha trust me, as much as I've dogged the NBA this year, it doesn't mean I haven't watched.

He'll have to prove to me that he's of top 10 ilk because the guys ahead of him have been putting in work and their skill sets impress me more.

Roy should be in the top 10 for certain, so that rounds out my list at 10.

Taking Tyrus Thomas over Brandon Roy should of got Pax fired. Bulls still don't have a real "2"

[KG]

Re: Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

Grainger has "it", you just can't see it because he plays on Indy. He's a well groomed player w/ a competitive fire instilled in him from a strong father .

Plus we're forgetting about Brandon Roy, and his gutsy performance playing w/ injury in the postseason. Roy is someone I'd consider over Rose as well.

I like Granger but he's on the outside looking in when it comes to the top 10. Right now he's a good player that gets his on a bad team.

[USF11]

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I like Granger but he's on the outside looking in when it comes to the top 10. Right now he's a good player that gets his on a bad team.

Whats the difference between Granger and Melo? Seriously. Both Weapons at the 3, but not guys that will win a championship without help.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Whats the difference between Granger and Melo? Seriously. Both Weapons at the 3, but not guys that will win a championship without help.

I disagree strongly.

Melo's skillset ****s all over Granger's. Explosiveness is a big factor. Granger doesn't have the athleticism Melo does.

The quickness and post game both overwhelming go to Melo.

Granger is a poor man's Melo IMO

[KG]

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I disagree strongly.

Melo's skillset ****s all over Granger's. Explosiveness is a big factor. Granger doesn't have the athleticism Melo does.

The quickness and post game both overwhelming go to Melo.

Granger is a poor man's Melo IMO

Bingo.

Melo has also proved it in the playoffs and on the International level. It's no knock to Danny but he just isn't on that level and to be honest, at 27, he isn't going to reach it.

[Gibbz]

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For the next decade I'd take Rondo over any other PG.

[JBH3]

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I disagree strongly.

Melo's skillset ****s all over Granger's. Explosiveness is a big factor. Granger doesn't have the athleticism Melo does.

The quickness and post game both overwhelming go to Melo.

Granger is a poor man's Melo IMO

The ability to drain 3 after 3 lights up the scoreboard, and equalizes to some degree those things that you say Melo holds over Grainger in the postgame.

Danny is a far better shooter from range too, and can slash and dunk w/ the best of 'em. Looking at 2008-09 when both players played roughly the same amount of games (Danny 67, Melo 66), Grainger surpasses him in almost evey Hollinger statistic. PER is almost a full 3pts higher. I think Melo is getting by on (1) Being Melo, i.e. being in our consciousness from postseason play and namesake (2) Piggy backing on 1, from the supporting cast around him.

The idea of Grainger getting it done on less of a team is a tired argument because it cuts both ways. While someone says he can shoot and do everything he does because he's the only superstar, one can also say because he's the focal point of the team opposing D's should be shutting him down, which they have been unable to do for the most part.

My top 10 in no particular order of players I'd take before Rose:

Howard
Lebron
Wade
Deron
CP3
Rondo
Roy
Grainger
Melo
Bosh

[Cebby]

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Not if he doesn't develop any semblance of a post game.

Howard is a lock for the top 10.

There is no other big man even close to him, nor does there appear to be any developing that will come close to him. He's led the league in rebounding the last three years and nobody has come within 1.1 rebounds a game during that time period as well as leading the league in blocks the last two years.

He's not going to be Shaq and drop 28 per game, but he'll be the best center in the league by a good margin like he has been the last three years.

I don't think Granger is really in the picture.

He may be good, but he's 27 and locked into Indiana for the rest of his relevant career.

The top 10 players of the next decade will be much clearer after this summer when the Pau Gasol factor is cleared up.

What is the Pau Gasol factor? The Pau Gasol factor is that people love winners. Four years ago Pau was in Granger's position, a very good player on a bad team who wasn't in contention to be considered a top 10 player. Now, with little increase in his game he's suddenly considered the second best big man and sometimes the best offensive big in the NBA.

Bosh will clearly benefit from this whether he lands in LA, Chicago, or New York and plays with Kobe, Lebron, or Wade, but the point guards have the most to gain/lose. If Rose gets Bosh and Lebron, he's a lock for top 10, but if Chicago gets neither he could be somewhat of an afterthought when it comes to the best players. Rondo and Deron will have to adjust to new teams (not new franchises, but different players) over the next 2 years and Chris Paul is in no-man's land right now.

[Vince]

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The ability to drain 3 after 3 lights up the scoreboard, and equalizes to some degree those things that you say Melo holds over Grainger in the postgame.

Danny is a far better shooter from range too, and can slash and dunk w/ the best of 'em. Looking at 2008-09 when both players played roughly the same amount of games (Danny 67, Melo 66), Grainger surpasses him in almost evey Hollinger statistic. PER is almost a full 3pts higher. I think Melo is getting by on (1) Being Melo, i.e. being in our consciousness from postseason play and namesake (2) Piggy backing on 1, from the supporting cast around him.

The idea of Grainger getting it done on less of a team is a tired argument because it cuts both ways. While someone says he can shoot and do everything he does because he's the only superstar, one can also say because he's the focal point of the team opposing D's should be shutting him down, which they have been unable to do for the most part.

My top 10 in no particular order of players I'd take before Rose:

Howard
Lebron
Wade
Deron
CP3
Rondo
Roy
Grainger
Melo
Bosh

*Granger



EDIT: Are you factoring in age? Because there is no way I would take Bosh and Granger over Rose. Dude is putting up 20 a game without a consistent shot from 3. And he gets to the rim with ease. In today's NBA, the game is dominated by guards who can create for themselves and others. I'd even debate taking Melo over Rose.

[ex carrabba fan]

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The ability to drain 3 after 3 lights up the scoreboard, and equalizes to some degree those things that you say Melo holds over Grainger in the postgame.

Danny is a far better shooter from range too, and can slash and dunk w/ the best of 'em. Looking at 2008-09 when both players played roughly the same amount of games (Danny 67, Melo 66), Grainger surpasses him in almost evey Hollinger statistic. PER is almost a full 3pts higher. I think Melo is getting by on (1) Being Melo, i.e. being in our consciousness from postseason play and namesake (2) Piggy backing on 1, from the supporting cast around him.

The idea of Grainger getting it done on less of a team is a tired argument because it cuts both ways. While someone says he can shoot and do everything he does because he's the only superstar, one can also say because he's the focal point of the team opposing D's should be shutting him down, which they have been unable to do for the most part.

My top 10 in no particular order of players I'd take before Rose:

Howard
Lebron
Wade
Deron
CP3
Rondo
Roy
Grainger
Melo
Bosh

Granger cannot slash and dunk with the best of them. That is fact.

Other than that I have state my .02 on Granger, he will prove himself to not be a part of the elite.

As far as what Cebby said, Pau Gasol led Memphis to 50, 45 and 49 win seasons in the West, when the West was absolutely disgusting.

Granger couldn't do anything close to that when the East is as weak as its ever been in terms of being able to get into the East playoffs.

[P2K]

Re: Is Derrick Rose a top 5-10 player in the NBA over the next decade?

I don't see Rose being all that special. He's young, so he has plenty of time. But I don't see it. Top 5? Nope. 10? Nah. Just on the outside probably. I say 15 maybe.

[JBH3]

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Granger cannot slash and dunk with the best of them. That is fact.

Other than that I have state my .02 on Granger, he will prove himself to not be a part of the elite.

As far as what Cebby said, Pau Gasol led Memphis to 50, 45 and 49 win seasons in the West, when the West was absolutely disgusting.

Granger couldn't do anything close to that when the East is as weak as its ever been in terms of being able to get into the East playoffs.

Didn't know Gasol and the 2003-2006 Memphis Grizzlies were the barometer in which we measured by. To Gasol's credit, aside from 04-05, he played in at least 78 games during those playoff runs. Once Grainger burst onto the scene last season he's only maxed out at 67/66 games in 08-09 and 09-10; possibly from taking a beating from opposing defenders since he's the only one worth guarding?

I can see why folks wouldn't consider him, but I think his game is amazing and does NOT get enough credit.