Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

[Po Pimp]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

Head 2 Head Career (Based off my Fantasy League SCORING)

Rondo vs. Rose
24.9 vs. 15.1

Per 36
25.3 vs. 17.2


So... better than Rose, worse than Williams. Anymore you'd like me to crack?

What?

Rondo and Rose have played against each other 7 times not including the playoffs.

Rondo is 4-3 against Rose. The last time they played against each other, Rose had 39 and 7 while Rondo had 4 and 6. In fact, Boston lost their last 2 against Chicago.

Their stats are as follows in the 7 games they've played...

Rondo - 11.6, 10.6, 4.9, .455%
Rose - 18.3, 4.3, 3.6, .500%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=rosede01&p2=rondora01

[X*Cell]

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What?

Rondo and Rose have played against each other 7 times not including the playoffs.

Rondo is 4-3 against Rose. The last time they played against each other, Rose had 39 and 7 while Rondo had 4 and 6. In fact, Boston lost their last 2 against Chicago.

Their stats are as follows in the 7 games they've played...

Rondo - 11.6, 10.6, 4.9, .455%
Rose - 18.3, 4.3, 3.6, .500%


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=rondora01

so yeah, ignore the most important stat for a Point Guard... passing the ball. Rondo was way more effective using his teammates than Rose... by a far margin... 16, 14, 13, & 12 assists against him... Rose has never even cracked the double digits.

[wwharton]

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so yeah, ignore the most important stat for a Point Guard... passing the ball. Rondo was way more effective using his teammates than Rose... by a far margin... 16, 14, 13, & 12 assists against him... Rose has never even cracked the double digits.

I'm pretty sure his main issue was with posting inaccurate (drastically) statistics... which is a legit issue.

[X*Cell]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

I'm pretty sure his main issue was with posting inaccurate (drastically) statistics... which is a legit issue.

what are you talking about? Those stats are 100% accurate considering I used the head 2 head numbers from basketball-reference to insert in my formula.

WTF are you guys smoking?

[wwharton]

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what are you talking about? Those stats are 100% accurate considering I used the head 2 head numbers from basketball-reference to insert in my formula.

WTF are you guys smoking?

I'm just going by both of your posts. The head to head stats you listed are drastically different than the ones he listed... which is what Po Pimp was commenting on. Looking closer, I see you used an equation based on your fantasy league scoring to get to the total which probably explains the difference, but that doesn't really tell us anything (besides exactly WTF we were talking about).

Since I put my nose in this, I might as well respond to the attempt. Both players have different roles on their teams, as well as different pieces around them that drastically effect what their stats will look like. As always, it's hard to compare stats due to all the variables in each of their situations, but we do it all the time. I think it's taking a big stretch to not only compare stats but limit the pool by only looking at head to head (which really doesn't mean all that much when you're talking about team sports) and then chopping them up based on an equation of one specific fantasy league.

[ParisB]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

i'm not going to read through the whole thread, but Rondo is well indeed vastly overrated. Guards in general are overrated these days and it seems like every team has an elite point guard, but in reality only CP3, Nash, and Deron are true elite point guards.

I would rank Rondo more like 14th, lol....watching the Lakers-Celtics last year you couldn't help but cringe that Boston's biggest weakness was Rondo, lol. Don't even have to guard him.

Bottom line, the guy has a low basketball IQ and can't run a half court set, can't shoot from anywhere on the court, and is simply a super athletic guy that thrives playing in a league that favors penetrating guards.

I think fans these days watch less basketball and simply look at boxscores. Being a good Fantasy option doesn't make you a great players. It's the same with guys like Monte Ellis, Zack Randolph, David Lee. People these days just pull out stat lines, lol.

Put it this way, if Boston had Deron or CP3, they would easily have won the championship. That alone tells you he's not on the elite level.

[ParisB]

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so yeah, ignore the most important stat for a Point Guard... passing the ball. Rondo was way more effective using his teammates than Rose... by a far margin... 16, 14, 13, & 12 assists against him... Rose has never even cracked the double digits.

Not to defend Rose, because I think he's also overrated in the same way that Rondo is (see previous post), but you have to consider their roles in the offense. Being a point guard doesn't necessarily mean you need to rack up assists. That means one dimensional offense. Boston plays a specific offense, one that centers around Pierce and Allen running around screens, or feeding KG. Rose's biggest value is his ability to penetrate. He is also the team's first option on offense, and he needs to score. While Rondo's role is more of a distributor and the 5th option in the offense. Basically any basket he gets is a bonus.

Either way, just based on their roles, Rose will always average more points while Rondo will always average more assists with the offense he plays in.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Rondo at 14th? Please humor me with the 13 other point guards ahead of him. If it wasn't for Rondo, Boston's best player over the past two years, Boston wouldn't have even been able to face LA in the Finals in the 7th game.

I can't wait to hear what this guy ranks Rose at as well.

Deron and CP3 are clearly above Rondo, to even go there is beyond idiotic.

There are clear tiers

CP3, Nash, Deron

Billups, Rose, Rondo, Parker, Kidd [somewhat difficult to place him since he's already aged]

Westbrook, Evans, Harris, Brooks

Andre Miller, Baron Davis

Throw Felton, Jennings and Collison Mo WIlliams Stuckin any of the last two tiers.

[amra01]

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Rondo is easily the best point guard in the east and the third best PG in the league, you say he doesn't shoot he does everything else he is a great defender, passer, penetrator, playmaker in half court, decision maker in transition, rebounder... what else can you ask from him? someone mentioned the finals if ray allen could make some free 3point shoots or if lakers didn't made 100 free throws more than boston in the series they could won.

[Jukeman]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

Rondo is easily the best point guard in the east and the third best PG in the league, you say he doesn't shoot he does everything else he is a great defender, passer, penetrator, playmaker in half court, decision maker in transition, rebounder... what else can you ask from him? someone mentioned the finals if ray allen could make some free 3point shoots or if lakers didn't made 100 free throws more than boston in the series they could won.

Yea, for some reason people are acting like LA just dominated that series...I mean they won in the 4th quarter in game 7...

[RajonRondo9Celtics]

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Honestly if ray Allen could hit the ocean after game 2 the celtics win the series IMO. Ray Akeem shot 29% in the finals and it's not like he wasn't getting open looks...

On topic, rondo is not better than Paul, Williams, or Nash IMO, I agree with the person who put him in the second tier. He is below them but I believe is a top 5 pg. He can be laid off of cause he can't shoot well, but when he is laid off of he gets clear vision for passing lanes (he hit kg multiple times on alley oops cause there was no ball pressure) so even when he is laid off he is till dangerous, plus he can still get in the lane, it just so happens the lakers have two 7 foot behemoths in the middle. There's a reason y them doing that to rondo is more effective than another team laying off him is lol

[CWSapp757]

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I'm just waiting on ParisB to list 13 point guards better than Rondo.

[RajonRondo9Celtics]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

I'm just waiting on ParisB to list 13 point guards better than Rondo.

If there are 13 pgs better than rondo, hell if there more than 10 pgs better than rondo I'll become a lakers fan...

Paul, Williams, Nash, Parker, rose, Kidd, Billups are only ones I can think of off top of my head, and many of those are arguable...

[z4ckdabeast]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

I think the only thing about Rondo that is truly overrated is his defense.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Let's evaluate Rondo - I think he's overrated - Prove me wrong

I think the only thing about Rondo that is truly overrated is his defense.

At some point every player is called overrated on defense.

He's still one of the better defenders at his position, so that's good enough