Chris Paul wants out?

[dragon4ever]

Re: Chris Paul wants out?

The jury is still out on Bynum. He has by no means proven that he is an elite center in the league. As s matter of fact, I think he's average at best, even when he's 100% healthy. If the Lakers want a big body to help disrupt the opposition, then BIGS are a dime a dozen. Instant game changers like CP3 aren't.

[Cebby]

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Cebby If I'm not mistaken, since the Knicks are UNDER the CAP they don't have match dollar 4 dollar on a trade correct?

The Knicks are like, 2 or 3 million under the cap. Paul and Okafor combine for 26.5 million.

The Knicks would clearly have to give up Curry, Gallo, and Randolf. That totals to 16.5.

The remaining 10 million is the problem. Throw in Chandler and Azubuike and the trade works but it leaves the Knicks with 8 players, 2 of whom have never really played and I'm not sure the Hornets even accept that.

under the cap or not, they can make it a 3 team deal also.

Three team deals are great on Real GM, but real 3 team deals generally don't involve 3 teams all putting in significant pieces. I can't imagine a third team taking Okafor, so the prospect of a third team doesn't really matter.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Even if that's what you were addressing, that's not what he was saying. In the tone of a strong opinion (rather than fact), the Knicks don't have what it takes to trade for Paul. This isn't a sign and trade situation like with the FA talk earlier. NO doesn't have to send Paul anywhere, and if they do they aren't going to take scraps for him. No offense, but when we're talking about Paul, those players you're trying to piece together are scraps.

Are you saying NO is gonna try & get equal value for CP3? because if so then Good Luck getting that.

Let's look @ the teams Paul supposedly listed: Portland, Orlando & Dallas. What can they offer?

ORLANDO- Jameer, VC, Gortat & what else?
Portland- Andre Miller, Batum, Bayless & what else
Dallas- Have no Idea

Looking @ those teams (Knicks Included) IMHO Portland probably can probably offer the BEST Package for Paul

[Cebby]

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The jury is still out on Bynum. He has by no means proven that he is an elite center in the league. As s matter of fact, I think he's average at best, even when he's 100% healthy. If the Lakers want a big body to help disrupt the opposition, then BIGS are a dime a dozen. Instant game changers like CP3 aren't.

In the Lakers offense a passing PG isn't a game changer, it's a waste of a great player.

[ffaacc03]

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I hate (But love) to say it...Portland has a real chance. The Blazers reportedly, and big-contracted center Emeka Okafor, for Andre Miller, Joel Przybilla, Nicolas Batum, Jerryd Bayless and the 22nd pick. But that was two GMs ago, before the Blazers fired Kevin Pritchard and the Hornets got rid of Jeff Bower.

To be fair I am a Blazer fan that does want this to happen...Is it possible? Very much so...If Paul seriously wants out. Sub that pick for Babbit or Elliot Williams...Combine it with a future first rounder and it does in fact seem fair given the situation if Paul actually wants out.

They get a older player who will eventually retire (Who never gets injured AKA the ironman of the league)...a young PG with a lot of upside and a reliable center and a rookie they may get "lucky" with and a future first rounder...and a great perimeter defender in Nick Batum. Pull the trigger if you are both teams IMO (Only if Paul wants out)

POR does have the depth and talent needed to land him ... but do NO wants to trade him to a conference rival ? ... do they want to face him in regular season or play offs if the ancient greek gods are with them ? ...

I personally love him on ORL but I would have to agree that I would more than like to see him in POR and where he could take that team ... POR has plenty of assets and should offer them Miller & Fernandez & Pryzbilla & Camby & picks for Paul & Okaford.

Fernandez and Pryzbilla come off the books this season, Miller has a player option for next season, which he might not enable and Camby has just 1 more year left. talent wise, Fernandez and Miller will really help their backcourt and Collison should benefit of having such a veteran presence to share the point with; Camby and Joel should provide more crash boards and depth to their frontcourt.

Heck if it wasnt for contract purposes I would have offered Oden instead, who while young and with plenty of talent, is the re-encarnation of Yao or TMac, players who wont play more than 50 games ever, in a single season.

One team that also intrigues me is IND, as they could ship Granger & Hibbert & Ford for Paul and Okaford, giving NO a young talented player under contract, who comes from a team that hasnt won anything for a while (they could also take advantage on marketing by advertising a rivalry with Durant and Carmelo: the battle of the wingmen) and two valuable pieces ... IND would then have a Paul tadem, as Gerorge is compared to the ongoing Granger and they would also have some capspace next year ... thus Chris would have to agree to that.

Anyways, this Paul topic should make this off season even more interesting ... lol ... Who would even think on such a thing a few days back, more interesting ?

[bigfnjoe96]

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The Knicks are like, 2 or 3 million under the cap. Paul and Okafor combine for 26.5 million.

Cebby the Knicks would have to come-up with 21 million I believe because NO is over the CAP so 125% trade kicker comes into play. Still not an easy task. We have 3 million under the CAP add Curry @ 11, that still leaves us 7 million short, which is much easier to absorb, but would basically kill our roster like you pointed-out in the rest of your post

[wwharton]

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The jury is still out on Bynum. He has by no means proven that he is an elite center in the league. As s matter of fact, I think he's average at best, even when he's 100% healthy. If the Lakers want a big body to help disrupt the opposition, then BIGS are a dime a dozen. Instant game changers like CP3 aren't.

You either don't understand the potential player Bynum can be or the value of a GOOD center in the NBA. They had BIGS on the team in the playoffs and even with Bynum's injury, how many of them saw minutes? You can count on one hand the number of true centers in the NBA right now... and honestly all of them have injury issues. Bynum's size, age and ability make him much better than you're giving him credit for... jury still being out or not.

As for CP3, he is not a game changer in the Lakers current system... the Lakers current system has gotten them to the finals 3 years in a row, winning twice. They don't need a game changer. They need a player who can excel in their current rotation and system.

Are you saying NO is gonna try & get equal value for CP3? because if so then Good Luck getting that.

Let's look @ the teams Paul supposedly listed: Portland, Orlando & Dallas. What can they offer?

ORLANDO- Jameer, VC, Gortat & what else?
Portland- Andre Miller, Batum, Bayless & what else
Dallas- Have no Idea

Looking @ those teams (Knicks Included) IMHO Portland probably can probably offer the BEST Package for Paul

Not at all, but there's a huge gap between "equal value" and what the Knicks can offer when you're considering other teams having a chance to make their offers too.

[nuckles2k2]

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Yea I don't think we have the pieces to make a deal happen for Paul realistically. We'd have to gut our roster to swing this deal and I'm not for that. That being said, if Donnie can work some magic and use NO's situation against them we might have a shot, but I don't think Donnie is gonna sell the farm to acquire one piece and possibly put the team back where they were 5-6 years ago.

I'd rather maintain that flexibility going forward as opposed to having to swing a trade now that sends half, if not all, of your young prospects to another team and we get two players that leave us with limited moves going forward. I can't see Donnie doing it.

[wwharton]

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Yea I don't think we have the pieces to make a deal happen for Paul realistically. We'd have to gut our roster to swing this deal and I'm not for that. That being said, if Donnie can work some magic and use NO's situation against them we might have a shot, but I don't think Donnie is gonna sell the farm to acquire one piece and possibly put the team back where they were 5-6 years ago.

I'd rather maintain that flexibility going forward as opposed to having to swing a trade now that sends half, if not all, of your young prospects to another team and we get two players that leave us with limited moves going forward. I can't see Donnie doing it.

Even with that, NO isn't really in a situation that can be used against them. Paul's not approaching free agency and is not going to sit out. If the Knicks were the only team interested then maybe they have a bit of leverage but that's not the case. IF (big if still) Paul goes to another team this year, the Knicks won't be that team.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Not at all, but there's a huge gap between "equal value" and what the Knicks can offer when you're considering other teams having a chance to make their offers too.

Though I understand what your saying, but with NO putting out there via reports that any Paul deal must include Okafer, IMO this changes things because of Okafer's Contract (52 mil/4years) & not too many teams might be willing to take on that contract

[da ThRONe]

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In the Lakers offense a passing PG isn't a game changer, it's a waste of a great player.

Yeah back-to-back titles with Fisher and Farmer proved that.

[Vince]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhbOG4X8RB8FcAbFKpgvO868vLYF?slug=aw-paulfuture072310

Great read by Woj.

Chris Paul would've never ever done something like this a few years ago.

[wwharton]

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Though I understand what your saying, but with NO putting out there via reports that any Paul deal must include Okafer, IMO this changes things because of Okafer's Contract (52 mil/4years) & not too many teams might be willing to take on that contract

Doesn't change things enough IMO. I think there's been enough Knick bashing during the whole "Decision" thing but being honest, they have nothing to give. The fact that Curry is what they dangle for all these situations should tell you how bare the cupboard is. NO doesn't want Curry (they're trying to move Okafer) so what else they got? The only chance the knicks have is part of some 3 team deal that we couldn't even begin to dream of. Even then, I think it's a huge reach.

Now if Paul was in his last year and said he only wants to be a Knick, then they may have something to work with but that's not the case.

[da ThRONe]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...ulfuture072310

Great read by Woj.

Chris Paul would've never ever done something like this a few years ago.

More LeBron hate sad really. CP3 is his own man. These same writers will be the same people taking shots at players like James and Paul if they end their careers without titles.

[Kashanova]

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Doesn't change things enough IMO. I think there's been enough Knick bashing during the whole "Decision" thing but being honest, they have nothing to give. The fact that Curry is what they dangle for all these situations should tell you how bare the cupboard is. NO doesn't want Curry (they're trying to move Okafer) so what else they got? The only chance the knicks have is part of some 3 team deal that we couldn't even begin to dream of. Even then, I think it's a huge reach.

Now if Paul was in his last year and said he only wants to be a Knick, then they may have something to work with but that's not the case.

if NO is trying to get rid of okafar why wouldn't they want curry? your getting rid of a terrible contract at the same time your getting an expiring one it makes all the sense in the world