Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[kingkilla56]

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Umm, what the **** was Cleveland supposed to do? They didn't find out LeBron left until everyone else in the world not involved with the Heat did and that was already a week into FA.

Lebron screwed that team in making them think they had any hope in signing back with them. He knew he wasnt going back. He just didnt want to catch **** for it during the season.

[King_B_Mack]

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Which Knicks fans? You must be seeing something I'm not....

I'm just pointing out all the posts I've seen here talking about all the contracts coming off the books for the summer of 2012 and it being more money for CP3 and how it's worth gutting the roster to get Melo and all this other stuff. The goal is to win a championship, if the moves you make today don't do anything thats going to win you a championship three or four years from now, then what's the point? It's better to be a four seed than an eight or seven seed? Hell they're a six seed right now with the roster they had, going up two spots has made you so much better off how?

And that's the problem that guys like myself have with this and have been beating into the ground every other post. If you guys don't have a championship team right now, then there was no point in making this deal tonight or by Thursday. You could have kept Felton for next year, Gallo, Mosgov, AND all those picks....AND gotten Carmelo AND known the CBA (well, maybe) AND had Felton leave afer next year anyway.

Bingo. My biggest issue is the CBA. Do we know what the CBA is going to be? No, no we don't. All we know, or at least every one should know, is that the CBA is not going up and not staying the same. It's 58 million dollars right now, the owners want it lower. Some of the other big things is the complete nonchalantness of the guys that are being lost here. Felton was going to be unrestricted in 2012 no it's not like he's the greatest PG in the world but he was a better option than Billups should you not land Williams or CP3, which you likely won't. It's just insanity to keep throwing out the economics of all this for something this uncertain.

[King_B_Mack]

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I like the Brewer acquisition a lot. Big defensive swingman that can either backup Melo or share minutes at the 2 w/ Fields.

Bill ups will be fine for this second half of the season. He's just not the future of the pg slot.
There are decent young PGs out there to find. It's not like some drought in the NBA.

Who? Who's that PG out there that they'll just find for cheap that can run the offense effectively? Have you looked at a list of free agents over the next two years?

[BlueNGold]

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I'm just pointing out all the posts I've seen here talking about all the contracts coming off the books for the summer of 2012 and it being more money for CP3 and how it's worth gutting the roster to get Melo and all this other stuff. The goal is to win a championship, if the moves you make today don't do anything thats going to win you a championship three or four years from now, then what's the point? It's better to be a four seed than an eight or seven seed? Hell they're a six seed right now with the roster they had, going up two spots has made you so much better off how?

Not disagreeing on the CP3/Deron stuff, but it just came off to me as you guys saying the Knicks fans should be saying "Oh, we got Carmelo. Cool.".

[Zohanjohan]

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As a 17+ years follower of both the Suns and Knicks, I keep thinking of Marion on the D'Antoni Suns when I think of Melo on D'antoni's Knicks now

[BlueNGold]

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As a 17+ years follower of both the Suns and Knicks, I keep thinking of Marion on the D'Antoni Suns when I think of Melo on D'antoni's Knicks now

Okay, how many times do you have to bring up the Melo/Marion thing when they are NOTHING alike? Seriously....

[ex carrabba fan]

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Why should I be upset?

The Knicks, specifically Dolan and Isiah undid all the good work that Donnie Walsh had done for the past year or so.

Basically, the Knicks became the new Hawks.

The new Hawks? No. The Hawks have no interior post presence offensively. And Melo>JJ.

For the future, even if NY doesn't land their 3rd superstar, if they fill out the roster they have a much better shot at having post season success than the freakin Atlanta Hawks.

The Hawks are still by nature an isolation style team. Not gonna get it done. As much as I rag on Mike, he can coach the offense up...

Now the defense, yeah that's not gonna be lookin pretty on the interior. But at least on the perimeter you got Brewer/Fields... and in the playoffs Melo can man up in moments, when he wants to. He needs to go back to 08 Melo on the defensive end.. he was a beast.

Felton wasnt making it past next season
Chandler wasnt making it past this season

So we lost Gallo (tear), and Mozgov
for Mr. Melo

Yeah the Knicks are screwed for life. All the good work Walsh put in is ruined. Ruined I tell you.

Some of the Hyperbole out here is out of hand. Im not a fan of this trade only because Denver should have gotten maybe a free ticket for Melo but its not atomic bomb status.

Yeaaaaah, I agree. A lot of people in here I would wager are going to look really foolish in three or four years.

People saying "they'll be a 4th seed for the next 6 years"... come on now. Stop it.

Broussard is saying that the Knicks get Brewer from Minnesota, for Randolph/Curry.

This is what saved the trade for me.

Yahoo reports that Chauncey Billups is expected to get his 14 million salary in '11-'12 and won't be bought out

People acting like Billups still isn't a top 15 PG. It's debatable who is the "better" PG between him and Felton, but to act as if Felton is a much better option is one of the most hilarious things I've read in this thread.

Billups and Amare will work fine right now, and possibly even into the future. Billups just needs to stop with his bad shot selection.. we will see how he fits in since it's a question mark as to whether or not he'll even be a Knick to finish out his career.

They aren't any better than they were this morning.

Felton, Chandler, Galinarri, Mosgov = Melo

Can't forget the importance of depth

Seriously? Why are you focusing only on this year? Obviously the move wasn't made for this year or even next year. In the next 4-5 years they could easily become at least the 3rd horse to Miami/Chicago.

Well, if as some here are saying that Chandler/Felton/Gallinari were as good as gone anyway, then it doesn't put them in any greater position.

Huh? Care to explain what you mean? A 1-2 punch of Amare/Melo is what you need as building blocks to get a title.

Man if some of ya'll don't stop with this "There wasn't a guarantee he would sign in the Offseason with us" BS. Where else was he gonna sign at? There were/was no other competition out there once he made it known he would only sign an extension with the Knicks. This ain't the same situation as the Heat nor would have it been because he wasn't going to sign anywhere else. Sheesh.

As for their future, they really don't have one since they got $40 Mil tied up in these 2 players and once that new CBA comes(which we ALL know is going lower the cap)they ain't gonna be able to sign a 3rd Superstar player unless they want to make "sacrifices" like the mWo did in South Beach. Matter of fact, I'll go ahead and say it right now and guarantee they will NOT sign a 3rd Superstar like CP3 or Deron or Dwight. I guaran-damn-tee it.

And if you want the Lottery Numbers for the 2013 $100 Mil Jackpot they are:

15 30 37 38 doo doo do do doooooooooooooo 45 47

So what did you want the Knicks to do Pack? Build a team of borderline starters in hopes to get a ring? All you guys pointing to the new CBA and swearing that NY won't get CP3 are fooling yourselves. Tell me what NY should have done... stayed pat? Even if Melo came as a free agent, how much better a position would that put them in to land more pieces?

NY did what they had to do, and some people saying that Denver raped them are also kidding themselves. You moved basically one guy who can help your future in Gallo... and now you have the building blocks for a title team.

You stockpile what you can if you have the choice. Obviously they aren't on paper nicer to look at than Miami. Nobody is not named LA or Boston. In the next two years I would wager that they'd get some pieces regardless of the dreaded new CBA. Players will flock to Miami and NY over those years...

[TheMatrix31]

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As a 17+ years follower of both the Suns and Knicks, I keep thinking of Marion on the D'Antoni Suns when I think of Melo on D'antoni's Knicks now

And as someone who's also followed the Suns for equally as long, and has even taken one of the players' nicknames and uniform number as his username on OS for 10 years now, I can say that your assessment could not be further from the truth.

[The 24th Letter]

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Yeah, I think some are really selling the Knicks short...

I foresee a "I told you so" upping of this thread in the future..

Ive heard so many instances where its "impossible" for teams to make moves over the years I dont put it past the Knicks to build a respectable squad by next year...no matter what the CBA brings

[Eman5805]

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Seriously. Melo is NOTHING like Shawn Marion. Melo doesn't even really fit D'Antoni's offense. Now his run and gun is gonna be run and...isolate Anthony. Plus, all the 3s that D'Antoni wants his players to shoot? Melo's a lousy 3pt shooter.

I'm not saying it can't work. But it's gonna be interesting to see how it all works together.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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And as someone who's also followed the Suns for equally as long, and has even taken one of the players' nicknames and uniform number as his username on OS for 10 years now, I can say that your assessment could not be further from the truth.

Maybe not owned too bad, but I really wanted to use this picture lol

[ex carrabba fan]

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Seriously. Melo is NOTHING like Shawn Marion. Melo doesn't even really fit D'Antoni's offense. Now his run and gun is gonna be run and...isolate Anthony. Plus, all the 3s that D'Antoni wants his players to shoot? Melo's a lousy 3pt shooter.

I'm not saying it can't work. But it's gonna be interesting to see how it all works together.

Mike will make it work, and if he can't well hey they can find another coach.

You're really going to say that just because Melo isn't primarily a three point shooter that he doesn't fit in to Mike's system? You think an NBA coach [and one of the greater offensive minds in the league today] wouldn't be able to adjust to a guy the caliber of Carmelo? Come on. Mike is very familiar with Melo's skill set as he's coached him on the National team for a few runs. He will utilize him for his strengths.

Yeah you aren't saying it's not gonna work, but I think you're making it out to be something of a bigger "problem" than it is.

I'm not in love with the trade... but hey you got yourself a top 10 player who is one of the top 3 scorers in the game... you have to do the trade if you're scared he wasn't going to sign in the Summer.

Felton--- Billups
Gallo--- Melo
Chandler--- Brewer
Moz--- Williams

Rape? Please

[TheMatrix31]

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And to clarify, I like the deal for the Knicks from a pure "wow, they got Carmelo and Chauncey standpoint".....I'm just arguing the necessity of it all.

[Xs and Os]

Everyone arguing that the Knicks got worse offensively needs to slow down and think real hard before you click "submit reply."

[kingkilla56]

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And to clarify, I like the deal for the Knicks from a pure "wow, they got Carmelo and Chauncey standpoint".....I'm just arguing the necessity of it all.

sigh. we went through this. Melo would be a Net without the Knicks. Melo was going to sign for the money. He was just hoping that the Knicks would be the ones who pursued him enough to win out versus the Nets.

Melo was not hitting free agency making this necessary. Why they gave up so much, idk, why they had to give something up is clear.