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  • jeebs9
    Fear is the Unknown
    • Oct 2008
    • 47568

    #301
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    Yea I don't think the Knicks can make any moves for him. It has to be the Nets. The Bulls are not willing to give up Noah. I don't think he wants to go to the Kings.
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    • dossier
      Banned
      • Oct 2006
      • 2272

      #302
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by Stumbleweed
      The Knicks have nothing to offer really... the Nuggets want at least one good draft pick.

      It'll be the Nets or nobody IMO unless some darkhorse comes out of nowhere. Their available picks and young talent is unmatched and there are several different deals that work out under the league's financial rules.
      that about sums it up pretty well

      and lets end the nets debate, not for this topic.

      and mos1ted, how can we compete against anybody in the league during the playoffs if we have one pf who at most could only play 25 minutes a game? If we could get kmart back then I think we could potentially be eastern conference contenders(still wouldnt be good enough to actually be in the finals but we could get that far)

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      • Dice
        Sitting by the door
        • Jul 2002
        • 6627

        #303
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        Originally posted by Stumbleweed
        The Knicks have nothing to offer really... the Nuggets want at least one good draft pick.

        It'll be the Nets or nobody IMO unless some darkhorse comes out of nowhere. Their available picks and young talent is unmatched and there are several different deals that work out under the league's financial rules.
        The Bulls could be players if they give up Noah. Which I would do in a heart beat. BUT of course, Bulls management likes to hold on to average players with bad feet.
        I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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        • dossier
          Banned
          • Oct 2006
          • 2272

          #304
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Originally posted by Dice
          The Bulls could be players if they give up Noah. Which I would do in a heart beat. BUT of course, Bulls management likes to hold on to average players with bad feet.
          idk about average. The guy is an energy and hustle machine, and that kind of stuff really rubs off on other players. He is a phenomenal rebounder for someone his size and does alot of the mental things really well. From what I understand he is one of the harder workers in the league and he has been getting better every single season.

          I say keep noah and see how good the team is this year, there will be plenty of opportunities to get a really good player, just build up with the team they got and hope Rose turns into a superstar

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #305
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            Originally posted by dossier
            Carmelo is way better than carter or jefferson ever were, and those teams didn't have a center close to carter or a pf like troy murhpy.

            i think with the right additions over the next two years, we could be in the east's elite
            Those teams didn't need a PF like Murphy at the time and you seem to forget(or maybe didn't pay too much attention at the time)that we had a young, solid C in Krstic who was actually playing decent for us before he blew his knee out.

            But it has nothing to do with Carmelo being better than either of those two. It's the fact that we've had names before(in an even WEAKER Eastern Conference)and it and along with the 12 Year old only got us to the 2nd Round everytime but now all of a sudden Melo, Harris and Lopez are supposed to put us back in the ECF in 2 years with another hole at PF and a bunch of unproven young dudes on the bench?

            He comes to this team RIGHT NOW and it's not that much better than what he's leaving in Denver.

            If we could get kmart back then I think we could potentially be eastern conference contenders(still wouldnt be good enough to actually be in the finals but we could get that far)
            Dawg, this ain't the early 00s so we wouldn't be getting the same K-Mart we had BEFORE the Microfracture Surgery. We'd basically be getting back Damaged Goods OLDER K-Mart, who's already having knee issues AGAIN.

            But anyway, other than the Rockets I didn't really see any team that could put together a better package than us. Everybody in the media continues to push the Melo to Knicks out there but not realizing that they couldn't put together a better package than us, if we were going to go after Melo.
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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #306
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              Originally posted by AlexBrady
              Anti Carter bias? I just pulled out some of my old game reports from 07. It reads: "Carter 4-19 in 4th with game on line in all losses. Shows poor shot selection and is inept in the clutch." Actually, looking back on it, you could question why Frank took the ball away from Kidd and put it in Carter's unreliable hands.

              Even in 06 and 05 playoff defeats, the Nets went through too many dead stretches where no one could rescue them. Carter would miss layups, miss open jumpers, miss free throws, dribble off his knee, make brain dead passes, ect. It was expected that he would give a superstar performance and he didn't come through..... not even close.
              Frank got as far as he could go with Carter as his franchise player.

              And what of his most recent roster? Devin Harris, a point guard who wants to make his own plays and is best known for collapsing in the clutch with Dallas. Chris Douglas Roberts, a shooting guard who can't shoot, pass, or defend. Trenton Hassel, a career backup. Yi Jianlian, a guy who has the basketball IQ of a chair. Brook Lopez, one of the worst defenders in the sport. Rafer Alston, a guy who is about as substantial as the latest Rucker Park MVP. That is one of the most dysfunctional rosters I have seen in my last 30 years of watching basketball.
              The fact that you called Vince Carter our Franchise Player(which he NEVER was BTW)just continues to prove that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Nets and more specifically the Frank, Kidd, Carter and Jefferson days.
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              • dossier
                Banned
                • Oct 2006
                • 2272

                #307
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Those teams didn't need a PF like Murphy at the time and you seem to forget(or maybe didn't pay too much attention at the time)that we had a young, solid C in Krstic who was actually playing decent for us before he blew his knee out.

                But it has nothing to do with Carmelo being better than either of those two. It's the fact that we've had names before(in an even WEAKER Eastern Conference)and it and along with the 12 Year old only got us to the 2nd Round everytime but now all of a sudden Melo, Harris and Lopez are supposed to put us back in the ECF in 2 years with another hole at PF and a bunch of unproven young dudes on the bench?

                He comes to this team RIGHT NOW and it's not that much better than what he's leaving in Denver.


                Dawg, this ain't the early 00s so we wouldn't be getting the same K-Mart we had BEFORE the Microfracture Surgery. We'd basically be getting back Damaged Goods OLDER K-Mart, who's already having knee issues AGAIN.

                But anyway, other than the Rockets I didn't really see any team that could put together a better package than us. Everybody in the media continues to push the Melo to Knicks out there but not realizing that they couldn't put together a better package than us, if we were going to go after Melo.
                Whats I was saying is more that those guys weren't that good compared to Melo, who is a bonafide superstar. and yeah I remember Kristic, and jason collins era. Kristic was billed as the next all-star center, but brook is already a much better player and a bigger body with a traditional game and plenty of upside.

                Call me optimistic but I think that with those guys and the young guys, with the addition of a great coach who knows how to use devin harris, and we could be among the Atlanta hawks of the eastern conference, good enough to beat anybody.

                And to the K-Mart comment, sure he's damaged, but he still plays good d and can still be productive, and his $16.5 contract would come off the books after this season. Thats enough to sign some good replacements for him.

                I'm not saying this is an easy decision and we should definitely pull the trigger, but it's not that bad and if done right is an acceptable or even worthy trade

                EDIT: and thanks to Lawrence Franks dumb *** jason was our starting pf, they easily could've used anybody who didnt have the last name of collins

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #308
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Call me optimistic but I think that with those guys and the young guys, with the addition of a great coach who knows how to use devin harris, and we could be among the Atlanta hawks of the eastern conference, good enough to beat anybody
                  No it means we'd be good enough to get to the 2nd Round(just like we did during the Kidd, Carter, Jefferson Years)only to get destroyed by the top teams in the East. Been there, done that. Trust me, I'm as optimistic as the next guy(probably the most optimistic dude on these Forums LOL)but I'm not ready to put us up there with the Heat, Magic, Celtics, and even the Bulls and Hawks of the East just because we get Melo. This is a completely different team with a different staff so I already know this thing is going to take time but as long as we have a fairly competitve team by the time we get to Brooklyn, then I'm willing to wait. If we happen to get better before we move then that's even better.

                  And to the K-Mart comment, sure he's damaged, but he still plays good d and can still be productive, and his $16.5 contract would come off the books after this season. Thats enough to sign some good replacements for him.
                  Productive as in what? Just giving us 20-25 MPG, 8 Pts and 6 Reb? Pfft we would've been better off keeping Yi for all of that then LOL.

                  EDIT: and thanks to Lawrence Franks dumb *** jason was our starting pf, they easily could've used anybody who didnt have the last name of collins
                  You forget who was owning the team at the time. Do you really believe that The Rat was really going to actually pay somebody to come here and play Basketball for us? LOL This is the same man who only let Thorn keep a HC, one assistant, one trainer and one scout because he didn't want to spend money to help put an actual product on the court. And even despite all of that, it's a miracle that we were able to be so good for so long and that Kidd carried us as far as he could.
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                  • dossier
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 2272

                    #309
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    No it means we'd be good enough to get to the 2nd Round(just like we did during the Kidd, Carter, Jefferson Years)only to get destroyed by the top teams in the East. Been there, done that. Trust me, I'm as optimistic as the next guy(probably the most optimistic dude on these Forums LOL)but I'm not ready to put us up there with the Heat, Magic, Celtics, and even the Bulls and Hawks of the East just because we get Melo. This is a completely different team with a different staff so I already know this thing is going to take time but as long as we have a fairly competitve team by the time we get to Brooklyn, then I'm willing to wait. If we happen to get better before we move then that's even better.
                    I gotta disagree, after a full season to develop, the team would be there with the hawks and bulls. We actually have some good depth which the bulls are lacking and the hawks are led by the most overrated player in the NBA in Joe Johnson. I can go into further detail if you want me to

                    Productive as in what? Just giving us 20-25 MPG, 8 Pts and 6 Reb? Pfft we would've been better off keeping Yi for all of that then LOL.
                    well without any pf's, lets assume he plays 32 min, which is 2 mins less than last year, he should still be able to produce 9 points and 8 rebounds based on him getting 11 points & 9.4 boards last year. all we would really need from the pf is rebounding and D as we have enough offense. I'd gladly take that.
                    and come on packman, we both know the yi comparison is extremely laughable, yi just plain sucks at everything except at practicing jumpshots.

                    and like i said, 16.5 mil in flexible cap next year sounds pretty nice to me.
                    You forget who was owning the team at the time. Do you really believe that The Rat was really going to actually pay somebody to come here and play Basketball for us? LOL This is the same man who only let Thorn keep a HC, one assistant, one trainer and one scout because he didn't want to spend money to help put an actual product on the court. And even despite all of that, it's a miracle that we were able to be so good for so long and that Kidd carried us as far as he could.
                    idk which year we are talking about, but any year we had a better player then collins. w/e this part of this debate is irrelevant

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
                      Bamma
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #310
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      I gotta disagree, after a full season to develop, the team would be there with the hawks and bulls. We actually have some good depth which the bulls are lacking and the hawks are led by the most overrated player in the NBA in Joe Johnson. I can go into further detail if you want me to
                      I don't know about the Bulls depth(KBM, Dice and Altimus could answer that) but I don't know how you think we have good depth unless you're comparing it to last year but based on talent, it's hard to tell at this point. Don't get me wrong, I like that we have a proven backup PG and some actual shooters out there but also need to remember that they are playing in a completely different system(especially Jordan)so there's no way to know how they'll fare or how quickly they'll pickup the system so it's kinda hard to tell if we just "a bench" or a bench that can pick up the slack on offense, know what I mean? But at what you're talking about(basically saying we'll be among the East's Elite in 2 years)we would have to progress at a very rapid pace, which rarely ever happens in the NBA, not to mention from a team that was 12-70 last year.

                      Is Joe Johnson the most overrated player in the NBA? I don't think he is IMO but I'd still take him over anybody else on our team other than Brook and yes I'll take him over Devin because we don't know which Devin we'll be getting back but hopefully it's the one that was an All Star back in 2008-09 before he sprained his Ankle and everything went down hill after that.

                      well without any pf's, lets assume he plays 32 min, which is 2 mins less than last year, he should still be able to produce 9 points and 8 rebounds based on him getting 11 points & 9.4 boards last year. all we would really need from the pf is rebounding and D as we have enough offense. I'd gladly take that.
                      Where is this Offense that you say we have enough of? Not like we have anyone on the team that can go off for 25 PPG easily. Not to mention the team just signed Joe Smith recently so I definitely wouldn't put the 4 in the hands of 2 aging Vets, including one who's already battling Knee Issues AGAIN and don't know when he'll be ready to play.

                      idk which year we are talking about, but any year we had a better player then collins. w/e this part of this debate is irrelevant
                      Saying Clifford Robinson and Mikki Moore were better than Jason Collins is like saying we had stinky **** as opposed to having really bad stinky ****, which is what we had with Collins.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #311
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        This is also not the first time that Melo to the Nets has been discussed. Also happened back in 08 but probably not as serious at the time:

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                        • AlexBrady
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3341

                          #312
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          The fact that you called Vince Carter our Franchise Player(which he NEVER was BTW)just continues to prove that you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Nets and more specifically the Frank, Kidd, Carter and Jefferson days.
                          Must have been the main man if Frank constantly took the ball away from Kidd to let Carter throw up junk shots from the top of the key with the game on the line. Kidd wasn't quite the same after his surgery anyways and Jefferson couldn't really shoot.

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                          • dossier
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 2272

                            #313
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                            I don't know about the Bulls depth(KBM, Dice and Altimus could answer that) but I don't know how you think we have good depth unless you're comparing it to last year but based on talent, it's hard to tell at this point. Don't get me wrong, I like that we have a proven backup PG and some actual shooters out there but also need to remember that they are playing in a completely different system(especially Jordan)so there's no way to know how they'll fare or how quickly they'll pickup the system so it's kinda hard to tell if we just "a bench" or a bench that can pick up the slack on offense, know what I mean? But at what you're talking about(basically saying we'll be among the East's Elite in 2 years)we would have to progress at a very rapid pace, which rarely ever happens in the NBA, not to mention from a team that was 12-70 last year.
                            yeah that is true, but I like the players we got and have a good head coach in avery. at this point its all hoping and speculation like you said, but I don't think it's outlandish to say that we could, if we got anthony, be one of the better teams in the eastern conference.

                            Is Joe Johnson the most overrated player in the NBA? I don't think he is IMO but I'd still take him over anybody else on our team other than Brook and yes I'll take him over Devin because we don't know which Devin we'll be getting back but hopefully it's the one that was an All Star back in 2008-09 before he sprained his Ankle and everything went down hill after that.
                            hyperbole, but I hate how he is among the elite and is conceivably a franchise player on any team. I mean people actually consider the guy better then Brandon Roy.

                            We should be getting that Devin too since avery is our coach and knows how to use him and he'll finally healthy

                            Where is this Offense that you say we have enough of? Not like we have anyone on the team that can go off for 25 PPG easily. Not to mention the team just signed Joe Smith recently so I definitely wouldn't put the 4 in the hands of 2 aging Vets, including one who's already battling Knee Issues AGAIN and don't know when he'll be ready to play.
                            ummm, anthony average over 25 easily, devin and brook are hopefully good for 20 a piece, so that's 65, twelve from Twill, thats 77 from like 4 players. Plus it's only for one season where we won't contend anyways, and then we can sign some pf's

                            Saying Clifford Robinson and Mikki Moore were better than Jason Collins is like saying we had stinky **** as opposed to having really bad stinky ****, which is what we had with Collins.
                            Well if they are all ****, Cliff and Mikki are **** from kim kardashian, and collins is **** from ron jeremy

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                            • Dice
                              Sitting by the door
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 6627

                              #314
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              Originally posted by dossier
                              idk about average. The guy is an energy and hustle machine, and that kind of stuff really rubs off on other players. He is a phenomenal rebounder for someone his size and does alot of the mental things really well. From what I understand he is one of the harder workers in the league and he has been getting better every single season.

                              I say keep noah and see how good the team is this year, there will be plenty of opportunities to get a really good player, just build up with the team they got and hope Rose turns into a superstar
                              Yes, he's about average. He's not a bad player BUT it's not like he's nothing special to write about. Energy and hustle players come a dime a dozen. Whenever I hear someone use that term I think, "He's strong at doing ONE OR TWO THINGS but weak at other aspects of his game." And as for him being a phenomenal rebounder, he is 6'11". So I actually expect that from him.

                              As I stated before, I can name a couple of players in the league that can give you the same production as Noah. Dalembert, Bogut, Horford, Bynum, Kaman, Lee, Boozer, Love just to name a few. And how many players can you name me that gives me the same production, or better, as a Carmelo Anthony? Try Wade, James, Bryant and Durrant. Now you see the difference of players I could replace with Noah compared to Anthony? The guys I just mentioned for Anthony are franchise players. The guys I mentioned for Noah are decent BUT not even on the level of franchise player.

                              Which means, Carmelo is a franchise player. And the opportunity to get a franchise player is very rare. The Bulls better seriously think about this if there talking about winning a championship in the next couple of years. I know the detractors will ask, "Does this give Chicago a solid chance at the championship?" Not really. At least for this season. BUT this trade does make them a better team. This trade may not solidify their championship chances this year but it does bring them closer to being a championship team. The Lakers didn't win the championship the first year they traded for Gasol, so why are we expecting the same from the Bulls?
                              I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                              • dossier
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 2272

                                #315
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by Dice
                                Yes, he's about average. He's not a bad player BUT it's not like he's nothing special to write about. Energy and hustle players come a dime a dozen. Whenever I hear someone use that term I think, "He's strong at doing ONE OR TWO THINGS but weak at other aspects of his game." And as for him being a phenomenal rebounder, he is 6'11". So I actually expect that from him.

                                As I stated before, I can name a couple of players in the league that can give you the same production as Noah. Dalembert, Bogut, Horford, Bynum, Kaman, Lee, Boozer, Love just to name a few. And how many players can you name me that gives me the same production, or better, as a Carmelo Anthony? Try Wade, James, Bryant and Durrant. Now you see the difference of players I could replace with Noah compared to Anthony? The guys I just mentioned for Anthony are franchise players. The guys I mentioned for Noah are decent BUT not even on the level of franchise player.

                                Which means, Carmelo is a franchise player. And the opportunity to get a franchise player is very rare. The Bulls better seriously think about this if there talking about winning a championship in the next couple of years. I know the detractors will ask, "Does this give Chicago a solid chance at the championship?" Not really. At least for this season. BUT this trade does make them a better team. This trade may not solidify their championship chances this year but it does bring them closer to being a championship team. The Lakers didn't win the championship the first year they traded for Gasol, so why are we expecting the same from the Bulls?
                                he is undersized in terms of body build, and how how many players can average 11 boards and 1.5 blocks during the season and then turn that up to 13 boards and 1.5 boards during the playoffs. And he does alot of other things really well, such as post D, running the court, talking on d, finishing around the rim, and he's been improving every season. besides, why would you trade one of your bigs away, the lakers win with talented bigs and as of right now there are very few teams who could match up with the bulls front-court as the lineup stands now.

                                How can he be average if the guys you are mentioning are for the most part all-stars or on the cusp of being all-stars. I mean look at the names you've written, all of those players or more then just average. Besides they already have a franchise player in Derrick Rose, and there is no telling how good the kid from chicago could get. Yes Anthony is better, but there is still the potential for Rose to be a top 10 player and it's arguable that Anthony isn't even on the list(though I think he is, you could make the argument).

                                If the Heat weren't in the East then the bulls roster, with developed chemistry, is a championship contender. They have a legit starters at every position, but there bench is somewhat short handed. The players the bulls would have to give up to get Anthony would decimate there depth.

                                the team wouldn't be getting overall better with anthony in the fold, definitely more exciting but thats about it

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