How far is too far for KG?

[JBH3]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Then don't play. Honestly, sports, especially at the professional level, are highly competitive. Guys like Payton, Jordan, Tuss, Bird... I bet they were absolutely ruthless with their trash talk on the court and nothing was off limits. They just didn't live in the age where you could jump on the computer and let millions of people know about it. Brutal trash talk has gone on forever and it will continue to do so. We're just more PC now and in-tune with people's feelings so we want to get mad about it. Again, I'm not saying it's right, but damn, it is what it is.

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Don't play? That's rubbish man.
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Charlie V did basically everything he could to defend himself. He got into an altercation, which produced the assumed result KG wanted.
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I'm sure he wanted to sock KG and give him a good walloping...see there was no real outlet for him to purge this **** that KG said because it affected him to the point that he didn't care about basketball, he just wanted to fight KG. Totally understandable. So instead of tracking down KG which results in an assualt charge/aggravated battery, he voices his digust over the interwebs. Lesser of two evils?
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So is KG like the Sun Tzu of the hardwood now? He got into the head of Charlie V, an already lesser opponent right?
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What's funny is this is the Pistons -vs- Celtics, and one would assume this sort of trash talk just wasn't really needed right. I mean were the Celtics not up already when this occurred (I honestly don't know), they won 109-86...so the trash talk of this magnitude was warranted in a blow out game?
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Would KG say distasteful things about Kobe's Denver mishap to get into his head?
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I say Charlie should say something nasty about Malik Sealy then see how it feels huh...Nah...Charlie V is better than that though.
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KG is a punk and a bully because he's coming at CV w/ this non-sense in a blowout victory and probably wouldn't dare doing it to another assumed superstar.<O</O

[KG]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

CV tweeted about it because he wanted people on his side. If he didn't he would have just kept his mouth shut and tried to go at him the next time they played.

I'm sure many a player has talked trash about Kobe's mishap in Denver to his face and he handled it on the court, not the interwebs.

CV is trying to pull the same tough guy act, "see me in the boxing ring". Like that ish is ever gonna happen.

[jeremym480]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Sticks and stones, CV. Sticks and stones.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

CV tweeted about it because he wanted people on his side. If he didn't he would have just kept his mouth shut and tried to go at him the next time they played.

I'm sure many a player has talked trash about Kobe's mishap in Denver to his face and he handled it on the court, not the interwebs.

CV is trying to pull the same tough guy act, "see me in the boxing ring". Like that ish is ever gonna happen.

People on his side for what? If he doesn't tweet it no one ever knows anything was said. So he wanted people on his side in what? Some of the stuff being said in here makes absolutely no sense.

[xxxAir23xxx]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Wow. Alright look, what KG said was in bad taste. I think most of us get that. It's not cool to say things like that.

With that said, when playing sports, and competing at a high level, nothing is really off limits. It's a mind game. Don't let your opponent get in your head. I shave my head and friends tease me about it. Big deal, I didn't let it get to me and the teasing stopped. One of my brother's friends once asked me, "When did your treatments start?" I laughed. Not because cancer is funny, but because I recognized that he was just trying to get under my skin. Maybe I shouldn't use that analogy but really, it comes down to the same thing. Don't let people get to you. Especially in sports.

KG might or might not be a punk. He is competitive, that's for sure. He's had a great career and I respect his talent. I'm not going to get up in arms over a comment he made in the heat of battle in order to get under an opponent's skin. Again, I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but I recognize it for what it is and I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it.

Best post in this thread. I understand where the rest of you guys are coming from on this, but seriously...does EVERYBODY need to PC ALL THE TIME? Anybody with any sense of moral boundaries knows what Garnett said was wrong, but it was in no way shape or form an attack on cancer patients. People make jokes that aren't PC all the time and we as a society are trying to put limits on what somebody can joke about.

When I was born, I had the umbilical chord wrapped around my neck three times, which caused complications in my birth and also elongated my neck a little bit. To this day I still have a longer neck than most people, and I get crap for it all the time. I've Been called everything to a giraffe, or looking like a gazelle when I run, and I don't take personally. I know people aren't making fun of my birth complication, but are instead are poking fun at me for a laugh amongst friends. Have you guys seriously not ragged on your friends before? Charlie V needs to toughen up, KG was making fun of his personal appearance, not cancer patients. MY father and grandmother are cancer survivors, and I talked to them both about this and they said they weren't offended by it. CV must have some sort of adonis-complex or something going on. He seriously can't handle a diss on his personal appearance? He's not a beautiful man. In the famous words of Boy Meets World, "life's tough, get a helmet".....and GET OFF TWITTER.

[Jesus]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Charlie V needs to toughen up, KG was making fun of his personal appearance, not cancer patients. MY father and grandmother are cancer survivors, and I talked to them both about this and they said they weren't offended by it. CV must have some sort of adonis-complex or something going on. He seriously can't handle a diss on his personal appearance? He's not a beautiful man. In the famous words of Boy Meets World, "life's tough, get a helmet".....and GET OFF TWITTER.

This is exactly why I dont see a single thing wrong with what KG said, he made a comparison, an accurate one at that lol.

[JBH3]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Best post in this thread. I understand where the rest of you guys are coming from on this, but seriously...does EVERYBODY need to PC ALL THE TIME?

This has nothing to do w/ being politically correct. There's never a need to compare one's appearance to someone who is basically dying due to an infectious disease.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Best post in this thread. I understand where the rest of you guys are coming from on this, but seriously...does EVERYBODY need to PC ALL THE TIME? Anybody with any sense of moral boundaries knows what Garnett said was wrong, but it was in no way shape or form an attack on cancer patients. People make jokes that aren't PC all the time and we as a society are trying to put limits on what somebody can joke about.

When I was born, I had the umbilical chord wrapped around my neck three times, which caused complications in my birth and also elongated my neck a little bit. To this day I still have a longer neck than most people, and I get crap for it all the time. I've Been called everything to a giraffe, or looking like a gazelle when I run, and I don't take personally. I know people aren't making fun of my birth complication, but are instead are poking fun at me for a laugh amongst friends. Have you guys seriously not ragged on your friends before? Charlie V needs to toughen up, KG was making fun of his personal appearance, not cancer patients. MY father and grandmother are cancer survivors, and I talked to them both about this and they said they weren't offended by it. CV must have some sort of adonis-complex or something going on. He seriously can't handle a diss on his personal appearance? He's not a beautiful man. In the famous words of Boy Meets World, "life's tough, get a helmet".....and GET OFF TWITTER.

*Sigh* How is it this hard to understand why it's disrespectful to cancer patients? Let us use some examples, examples are good.

You walk into a hospital where patients are being treated for cancers, little kids, adults, all of them. You walk into the ward and get an eyeful of a little bald kid with bags under his eyes and his skin color off. "Ouch I see you got it the worse, you're hideous. If you beat this I hope you don't get stuck looking like that." Is it wrong to say that to an actual cancer patient? If your answer is 'YES' then you should clearly see why equating someone's ugliness to a cancer patient is disgusting and extremely disrespectful to cancer patients. "Damn dude you ugly, you look like a cancer patient. No disrespect real cancer patients." Yeah, nothing disrespectful about that at all.

[Jesus]

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This has nothing to do w/ being politically correct. There's never a need to compare one's appearance to someone who is basically dying due to an infectious disease.

C'mon man that can be flipped in any number of ways

"you look like freddy cruger"

You cant say a man looks like a hideous burn victim that attacks children while they're sleep...you callin him a pedophile? There nothing funny about murderers.

"you look like an idiot"

In the early 18th century idiot was a term for the mentally disabled, are you seriously making jest of the struggles that mentally challenged have to endure?

Charlie needs to pull his skirt down...

[SidVish]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Did KG say something in poor taste? Sure. But somehow I doubt cancer patients are up in arms over some basketball player's trash talk. Instead of getting all upset on the interwebz I decided to donate $20 to a kids cancers charity. They need that much more than being defended on the internet about some basketball player's comments that mean nothing to them or their daily struggle.

[Jesus]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

*Sigh* How is it this hard to understand why it's disrespectful to cancer patients? Let us use some examples, examples are good.

You walk into a hospital where patients are being treated for cancers, little kids, adults, all of them. You walk into the ward and get an eyeful of a little bald kid with bags under his eyes and his skin color off. "Ouch I see you got it the worse, you're hideous. If you beat this I hope you don't get stuck looking like that." Is it wrong to say that to an actual cancer patient? If your answer is 'YES' then you should clearly see why equating someone's ugliness to a cancer patient is disgusting and extremely disrespectful to cancer patients. "Damn dude you ugly, you look like a cancer patient. No disrespect real cancer patients." Yeah, nothing disrespectful about that at all.

Your first example is a direct insult (hideous) to a victim of cancer, which is not what happened. He said a hairless person looks like a cancer patient who are also hairless.

I would get your point if he said "you are hideous like a dying cancer victim", but thats not the quote.

I guess I just think differently.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't really follow that either though PP about him being a sucka and running to Twitter. I didn't see the game as I was at work. But reading through the account of things, they were jawing with each other on the court and got T'd up right? Obviously there are those that will have wondered what was said and guys post everything on Twitter anyway so why is he all of a sudden out of line for voicing his displeasure on something that happened during the game? Guys were posting on Twitter from the locker rooms at halftime and we have a problem with him posting something that bothered him? I guess the exposing him part is a little much, but I don't see it as him running to Twitter, or being a sucka or a bitch or anything. I could see if he didn't say anything to Garnett the whole night and then jumped on Twitter with all of this, but they apparently were jawing back and forth the whole night so.....seriously.

If I talked about your dead Mother(not saying she is obviously but follow me here)and I called her a ***** and a ho and any other deragatory term and said all this while we're on the court, would you run to Twitter/Facebook and be like "So ProfessaPackMan disrespected my dead Moms. I'd love to get him in a ring just to see if he'd say all that again". THAT's MY issue with this.

Another man basically disrespects you to YOUR face and you run to Twitter to tell the whole world(which me or anybody even understands what was the point of even doing that) and THEN you're gonna have the nerve to say afterwards "Yea, I'd like to see him in the ring and expose him for who he really is"? The hell you telling US for when you had the chance to say all of that to HIS face? Don't about you but anywhere else if you run into somebody you know you don't like, he disrespects you and you walk off but 10 minutes later you're all "Man he BETTER hope I don't see him outside again or else it's ON!!!", then you'd be considered a sucka because you had that opportunity to do something about it but instead you walked off.

CV tweeted about it because he wanted people on his side. If he didn't he would have just kept his mouth shut and tried to go at him the next time they played.

I'm sure many a player has talked trash about Kobe's mishap in Denver to his face and he handled it on the court, not the interwebs.

CV is trying to pull the same tough guy act, "see me in the boxing ring". Like that ish is ever gonna happen.

Exactly and that's why I have an issue with what CV did. HE's the one making this bigger than what it is.

People on his side for what? If he doesn't tweet it no one ever knows anything was said. So he wanted people on his side in what? Some of the stuff being said in here makes absolutely no sense.

So what exactly was the purpose of telling folks then? What exactly was he trying to gain in this by telling US? A dude talks trash about you but you(CV)wanna catch feelings about it but yet not do anything about it?

And for the record, I'm not defending KG. Everyone on here already knows how I feel about his ***** ***. BUT at the sametime, CV didn't do himself any favors with this either and is not without criticism also. Step to HIM(KG)like a man and tell him all of this, not US.

[Jukeman]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

Did KG say something in poor taste? Sure. But somehow I doubt cancer patients are up in arms over some basketball player's trash talk. Instead of getting all upset on the interwebz I decided to donate $20 to a kids cancers charity. They need that much more than being defended on the internet about some basketball player's comments that mean nothing to them or their daily struggle.

winner winner chicken dinner

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

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Plus, cancer is an area that should be off limits. KG is a quality person and leader who has another persona on the court. Some, such as Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo call him a bully once he steps onto the hardwood. However you choose to describe him, KG is going to get backlash for this, as he should. He should pay a price.
But that price should not be from the league. There can be no fine or suspension from the league office.
Technically they could — there can be fines or a suspension, and there are some fans and people out there calling for that right now.
But what Garnett is a vocal practitioner of is common in the NBA. Guys get on each other. Hard. Mountains of trash talk fly around an on an NBA court. It is vicious and nothing is sacred — questioning manhood, family and everything else goes on. Nightly. And has for generations — Michael Jordan was ruthless with his mouth just like his game. Same with Larry Bird. And so on and so on…
If you fine or suspend Garnett for this comment, you are on a slippery slope. A derogatory term for homosexuals gets used during games often, is that worthy of a fine every time? Curse words? Only when a referee hears it?
If you thought the new technical foul enforcement was ludicrous, this would dwarf it with problems. Trash talk takes place on playground courts, high school gyms and the YMCA. Guys grew up doing it. Then they get to the NBA and have to be saints?
There was a time when this could be enforced on the court. When Villanueva or a team’s designated enforcer could inflict some physical pain on Garnett for these antics, and said enforcer would get tossed for the game for it. And that was all. So teams had enforcers. Now the fines and suspensions make that kind of retribution impossible.
Trash talk is part of the game. You don’t have to like it. But you can’t fine and suspend for it, not even over-the-line comments about cancer.

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For a moment, let’s move past the Big C, because that part of this Kevin Garnett debate is reprehensible, if uttered in any context.
Instead consider something a bit more germane to these sports pages.
And that’s Part B.
Charlie Villanueva violated a prime tenet of the game and well could find himself receiving a shunning of a different type than Kevin Garnett certainly now faces from the public at large.
As a rule, what is said on the court stays on the court, accepted in a heat-of-the-moment context. It is similar to the what-happens-in-the-locker-room-stays-in-the-locker-room tenet that is at the core of the fraternity of pro sports, a covenant more sacred than any Vegas commercial.
Think you’ve heard it all from Gary Payton over the years? You haven’t heard the half of it. Ditto with Garnett. Until now.
That is what made Villanueva’s moment so rare, his tweets so surprising.
This wasn’t an opponent planning to carry out a threat, break a body part, meet someone in the parking lot.
It was Kevin Garnett raging, because that is his fuel, no matter how crude, no matter how inappropriate.
Michael Beasley got his earful during last season’s playoffs.
“He misses a shot, he makes a shot, he misses a rebound, blocks a shot, everything he does, he just talks to himself,” Beasley said, “whether he’s congratulating himself or he’s hollering at himself. He really stays on top of himself.”
During that opening round series, after teammate Dwyane Wade had dunked on Garnett, Beasley tried to turn the conversation. Bad idea.
“I told him what just happened,” Beasley said, “and he was mad. You could really see the fire in his eyes, you could hear him talking to himself.”
Because that’s all it is, mindless babble, in this case truly mindless, no matter which version of the story is to be believed.
Better a million stupid thoughts there than an act that injures.
But now we’ve been provided entrée into the on-court blather.
The curtain has been drawn open.
Now, what happens on the court has entered into the public forum.
Whether it’s a place we want to be or not.

[Landlordos7]

Re: How far is too far for KG?

1. We trod on and think lowly of a player because...he got his feelings hurt? He's a human being, get over it.


2. We accept "trash talk" in all it's forms as an okay thing? Why is this okay? Whatever happened to being respectful of your opponent? Just because everyone does it doesn't make it okay, and by my book, trash talk is not okay.


3. Even when we don't necessarily approve of the things said by our favorite athletes, we tend to ignore it and idolize them anyways, because they are good at running, jumping and putting a ball through a hoop.


Good job America.