11/8-11/14 Game Discussion Thread

[King_B_Mack]

Re: 11/8-11/14 Game Discussion Thread

This is how I see it as well, all big games against the heat thus far can be linked to premier point guard play, I think containing those type of players will be the key to the Heat other then people panicking about their bigs. Rondo, Paul, and Dwill were all able to get to the lane at will and facilitate while you saw a team like the Magic become completely stifled because they lack an elite point on the outside that will break down and infiltrate the defense.

Once Bosh has to step up he's not strong enough to muscle his way back inside, but if he's straight up with someone his long arms make up for his strength deficiencies on the interior. So once that PG gets past the first tier it allows for huge games from the other teams bigs.

Using this Logic though I don't see the Heat having as much trouble with the Lakers or Magic but more trouble from the Celtics and Bulls as their key rivalries.

I get you to a point but at the same time, they gave up 56 points in the paint. So it's not just playing teams that have a PG the caliber of a Paul or Rondo or DWill. Even with a 1 of that skill set, you can't be allowing the opposing team to drop 50 plus on you inside.

[BaselineBakes]

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After some boredom at work this is what I've come up with. Through 8 games this is what the starting bigs are averaging against Miami:

C - 11 PPG 38/87 = 44%
PF - 16 PPG 47/98 = 48%

Obviously Milsap greatly influenced the PF stat with his career night. Before the Utah game the 4 spot was 28/70 while 11 PPG on 40%.

Nice work, the 4 position shooting percentage from the teams the Heat have played without an elite PG, Kevin Love, Rashard Lewis, Elton Brand, Troy Murphy/Derrick Favors thus far, to my memory only Favors had a huge game against them.

As far as center goes Howard had a difficult game against the Heat and so did Brook Lopez twice, imo the top 2 centers in the East.

I get you to a point but at the same time, they gave up 56 points in the paint. So it's not just playing teams that have a PG the caliber of a Paul or Rondo or DWill. Even with a 1 of that skill set, you can't be allowing the opposing team to drop 50 plus on you inside.

I think that's exactly the problem, which is why they're gonna have some trouble with the Bulls as well, Noah will have a field day if Rose is dishing instead of looking for his shot once he gets in the lane. They'll change something about their scheme though and all will be well in the long run I believe.

[ex carrabba fan]

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http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/in...on_roys_k.html

Roy might need another knee surgery

The news, Blazers fans, is not good. Roy is experiencing swelling and discomfort on his left knee. This is the knee that was operated on in August 2008, not the right knee that was operated on last April.

Roy is concerned about what is going on inside the knee, which he says has been drained of fluid twice this season. His concern is strong enough that he wants a second opinion

I called this in the other thread. Roy doesn't look like the same Roy at all. Dude's not healthy, sad.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I mentioned all of this in the Evans vs Roy thread:

"I would love to play more minutes and have a much better body, but it's just not the case, so I have to try and make the most of what it is. I had a phone call (Monday) and in talking to a few people, it is somewhat of a reality check. This is what it is, and now you have to make the most of it."

Roy said his left knee has bothered him throughout his NBA career. And every year he said it has needed to be drained throughout the season. Now, however, whatever is going on in there appears to be sapping his super powers, and Roy can tell it.

When asked how hard this was to deal with mentally, he didn't hesitate.

"Very. Because I want to play at a high level," Roy said. "If things were different, maybe I could, but they are not."

If you don't believe this is serious stuff, consider this: The Blazers' main plays have been isolation sets designed for Roy to break down his man one-on-one.

This week, the isolation plays were scrapped. Roy hasn't been able to beat his man one-on-one enough to warrant the plays being instilled.

No longer will he receive the ball at the top of the key. Now, many of the plays call for Roy to post low on the block, or get the ball at the "elbow," the corner created where the free throw line meets the key.

It will be something akin to a fastball pitcher losing his zip after arm surgery, and having to learn how to pitch, using change of speeds and location to survive.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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their 2-5 im not sure how much of a difference he would of made....

I meant the bench production smart guy. And considering we only lost by 2, I don't think it's crazy to say that him not playing possibly made the difference.

But like I said, bench production was the difference between winning and losing this game and it shows. Continue with your obvious hatred(for some strange reason which I don't know why you do)for them though.

[jeebs9]

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I mentioned all of this in the Evans vs Roy thread:

"I would love to play more minutes and have a much better body, but it's just not the case, so I have to try and make the most of what it is. I had a phone call (Monday) and in talking to a few people, it is somewhat of a reality check. This is what it is, and now you have to make the most of it."

Roy said his left knee has bothered him throughout his NBA career. And every year he said it has needed to be drained throughout the season. Now, however, whatever is going on in there appears to be sapping his super powers, and Roy can tell it.

When asked how hard this was to deal with mentally, he didn't hesitate.

"Very. Because I want to play at a high level," Roy said. "If things were different, maybe I could, but they are not."

If you don't believe this is serious stuff, consider this: The Blazers' main plays have been isolation sets designed for Roy to break down his man one-on-one.

This week, the isolation plays were scrapped. Roy hasn't been able to beat his man one-on-one enough to warrant the plays being instilled.

No longer will he receive the ball at the top of the key. Now, many of the plays call for Roy to post low on the block, or get the ball at the "elbow," the corner created where the free throw line meets the key.

It will be something akin to a fastball pitcher losing his zip after arm surgery, and having to learn how to pitch, using change of speeds and location to survive.

Damn....that is scary... feel bad for Portland...

[ex carrabba fan]

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A lot of people called it in the Summer, but Bosh is being exposed. Dude is so soft

Still no excuses for LeBron and company, it's Finals or bust

[Stumbleweed]

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I mainly thought he'd have a field day scoring with his buttery mid-range shot, but that hasn't exactly panned out either. He's already the bass player in the "band"... forgotten and wandering into the scene every now and then, only to be overshadowed by the guitarist and singer every time.

[da ThRONe]

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Man thats a tough break for Brandon Roy. He should have never tried to come back early last year. Which just shows you how tough he is. If he needs his mins limited it must be really bad. On the bright side we play Portland next so a limited Roy should eqaul a win ,but hopefully he just sit until he is right physically. When he is and hopefully Oden is ready they can make their playoff push.

[Bornindamecca]

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Chris is what he always was: an excellent mid post player, mid range shooter and rebounder. Problem is that Chris needs the ball to be at his best. Miami has an offense that is not necessarily going to get the ball to him and he's not so great a finisher that he can just average 20 PTA just finishing plays the way D12 or amare can.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Man thats a tough break for Brandon Roy. He should have never tried to come back early last year. Which just shows you how tough he is. If he needs his mins limited it must be really bad. On the bright side we play Portland next so a limited Roy should eqaul a win ,but hopefully he just sit until he is right physically. When he is and hopefully Oden is ready they can make their playoff push.

By the sounds of everything, and how well documented his knee trouble has been, it doesn't sound like his knees will ever heal.

Chris is what he always was: an excellent mid post player, mid range shooter and rebounder. Problem is that Chris needs the ball to be at his best. Miami has an offense that is not necessarily going to get the ball to him and he's not so great a finisher that he can just average 20 PTA just finishing plays the way D12 or amare can.

He's been pretty quiet on the boards thus far and his defense more than anything is being exposed. I didn't think he could be worse than Amare or Boozer but I guess he really is on their level in terms of defending the post as well as on the perimeter.

He makes it really easy to point the finger at.

[Bornindamecca]

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By the sounds of everything, and how well documented his knee trouble has been, it doesn't sound like his knees will ever heal.

He's been pretty quiet on the boards thus far and his defense more than anything is being exposed. I didn't think he could be worse than Amare or Boozer but I guess he really is on their level in terms of defending the post as well as on the perimeter.

He makes it really easy to point the finger at.

Seeing Bosh a lot in East Coast play, I already knew he was a horrible, soft defender.

[da ThRONe]

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Is it me or are the refs calling a lot more traveling violations this season?

[jeebs9]

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How about them Hornets?... Are they seriously a contender?

[jeebs9]

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Is it me or are the refs calling a lot more traveling violations this season?

No its not. I've seen the samething. I thought in the Boston vs Heat game. They called a lot travel on Wade alone in that game.