What's wrong with the Knicks?

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: What's wrong with the Knicks?

Marbury, but you probably don't even care for what he has to say

His second quote is spot on spot on. Why the hell does Mike want these guys to keep chucking up three's??? Does he realize who is on his team?

These players do not fit his style, I said it in my first posts in this thread. He has one guy who can hit three's. Why are they second in the league in attempts from distance when they only have one effective three point shooter?

'He doesn’t teach defense,'' Marbury said. "He teaches offense. (Jeff) Van Gundy teaches defense. (The D'Antoni system) doesn't work in New York. Not in the East. You have to have a team that dives for balls and takes the 3 when nobody expects you to take the 3. You have to be inside the fans' minds and that's what they want. There's knowledgeable people in the arena. They're talking to you while you're shooting a jump shot.'' New York Post

Actually, Marbury sounded just like any other bitter Knicks fan disgusted by the team's 3-7 start and five-game losing streak. Marbury claims to be just that – a diehard Knicks fan — though he has fallen out of favor with most supporters. "It's just a matter of time,'' Marbury said. "That's all I got to stay about D'Antoni's situation. I don't pay attention to his coaching. It hasn't changed since he won 50 games or since all the how many games he's lost here. If he had different pieces, he's a very effective coach. But without any players that play with the realm of how he coaches the game, it will never be. "It's a matter of time,'' Marbury added. "It's a countdown now. He put a countdown on his head. Now (the fans) know we're never going to win a championship like this.'' New York Post

And as coked up as Marbury is...he's deadass right.

I can't wait for the bleeding to stop...without D'Amnphony.

[Jeffx]

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For once, Marbury is telling it like it is.

[bigfnjoe96]

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[Porschebenz2001]

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Tina Cervasio (sideline reporter) asked Phil Weber (asst coach) at halftime if it was "time to tell the guys to stop shooting threes and start going to the rim" and he replied to the effect of, "Well we're getting wide open threes and that's exactly what we want, we know our guys can hit them."

The staff is clueless. The offense is gross. We know the D has no hope this year.

Guys? That Douglas game was a mirage. Gallo can hit the 3 but he has been bad so far. But hey Wilson Chandler can hit the 3, just ask him he'll tell ya.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Melo even taking shots

On Monday at morning shootaround, I asked Melo about coach Mike D’Antoni’s offensive system in New York: “You’re up and down, fast-paced and you get extra possessions in the game,” he said. “On the flip side, I’ve been on teams where we weren’t known for our defense, and that’s not something I want to ever deal with again.”

But yet he still wants to go there.

Isn't that Pot calling the Kettle black

[Vast]

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Lol. where did you get this from? Why is dude crying on webcam? ahhaha

D'Antoni is whats wrong with the Knicks right now. Plain and simple.

Going into the start of the season we assumed the Knicks offense would be top 10 in the league. Hell even 2k11 had the Knicks offense rated highly.

At this point everything their doing is trash.

They beat the bulls by being on fire from 3 and still almost lost that game in the 4th quarter. Thats rarely if ever going to happen again. Being on fire from 3 i mean.

[stateprop]

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Fire Mike D'Antoni and get a coach that knows how to preach defense. And get some players that want to play defense. I know Amare really miss steve nash right now. The knicks got blown out by a rockets team with no yao ming and derrick brooks I mean come on man. Dolan only care about making money he dont care about winning. I was hoping we got avery johnson when he was fire from the mavericks i was praying we would of got him and we got freaking Mike D'antoni. Mike D'antoni is straight trash.

[JerseySuave4]

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D'Antoni will be out soon enough. You can't run a style in NY that involves no defense. NY fans want a tough team that plays defense. This team plays none. As long as you play defense you have a chance, if you dont you'll never win a title. D'Antoni will never coach a championship team. I know its early in the season but i don't see him lasting the season. I say bring in Mark Jackson, play some defense, get Melo next year and take it from there.

[Dewie12]

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Amare needs to play defense. He needs to be that leader. Until he shows extra effort on the defensive end they are going to struggle.

D'Antoni's system is what it is. Amare's pick n roll defense is and has always been horrible.

[Dice]

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Amare needs to at least be a rebounder. I honestly don't think he'll ever be a solid defender BUT he could grab more than 9 rebounds a game. Heck, Charles Barkely was never a great defender BUT at least he took care of the glass. And Barkley was only 6'5". Amare is like 6'10" and athletic.

[Jeffx]

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Amare needs to at least be a rebounder. I honestly don't think he'll ever be a solid defender BUT he could grab more than 9 rebounds a game. Heck, Charles Barkely was never a great defender BUT at least he took care of the glass. And Barkley was only 6'5". Amare is like 6'10" and athletic.

Sir Charles WANTED to rebound, Dice. He had that mentality, like Moses Malone.

[cbjr]

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I think they need to package whatever Denver wants for Melo and get him. He's stated that he wanted out of Denver, nor would he resign if traded to NJ or Houston. That would make other future free agents want to establish another "big three" in NY and they could move on from there. I also agree that D'antoni must go and get a defensive focussed coach to make the team tougher. In the Riley and JVG era, teams feared the Knicks and hated to play them, and that was because of the hardnosed defense that they played with Ewing, Oakley, Mason, et al. This run and gun system doesn't work for them.

[sportyguyfl31]

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There's nothing wrong with the Knicks.

The Knicks are what they should be, if you look at that roster.

The 'problem' with the Knicks, is the NBA2k-ification and ESPN-ification of the NBA fan.

These fans continue to believe that Amare Staudamire is something that he is not. Amare is a finisher. He isnt a shot creator-go to scorer. If you are waiting for him to rebound and bang in the paint, it isnt going to happen.

They think that because Galinari is tall, european, and can shoot, that he is a potential Dirk Nowitski clone.


They believe that Raymond Felton is a borderline-allstar caliber PG.


The team is missing a go-to, crunch time scorer.

Trading for 'Melo wont make much sense. You'd have to give up depth and decent pieces, just to become the Atlanta Hawks: A team that will win 50 games, and win 1 playoff round, but will be capped out, unable to add the 3rd piece of the puzzle...and will end up with a grumpy 'Melo, 4 years from now.

They are much better off, adding that kind of player through free agency.

[Streets]

Re: What's wrong with the Knicks?

There's nothing wrong with the Knicks.

The Knicks are what they should be, if you look at that roster.

The 'problem' with the Knicks, is the NBA2k-ification and ESPN-ification of the NBA fan.

These fans continue to believe that Amare Staudamire is something that he is not. Amare is a finisher. He isnt a shot creator-go to scorer. If you are waiting for him to rebound and bang in the paint, it isnt going to happen.

They think that because Galinari is tall, european, and can shoot, that he is a potential Dirk Nowitski clone.


They believe that Raymond Felton is a borderline-allstar caliber PG.


The team is missing a go-to, crunch time scorer.

Trading for 'Melo wont make much sense. You'd have to give up depth and decent pieces, just to become the Atlanta Hawks: A team that will win 50 games, and win 1 playoff round, but will be capped out, unable to add the 3rd piece of the puzzle...and will end up with a grumpy 'Melo, 4 years from now.

They are much better off, adding that kind of player through free agency.

Great post! The only thing wrong with the Knicks is people who overrate them. Otherwise, they are who we thought they were. To hear people tell it, it's simple... D'Antoni is the problem. He may be A problem, but this has been a bad organization from the head executives on down to the last guy on the bench for YEARS. A coaching change won't fix that. Hiring Jeff Van Gundy and and getting Carmelo won't turn this team into championship contenders either (though they'd be better than they are currently). There are many things wrong with the Knicks when you look at the organization, but the biggest thing is people expecting more than what's there.

[CMH]

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I think the major concern is the effort on the court. No one that follows the Knicks and understands basketball expects this team to be very good. Heck, I doubt many expect them to be good.

But, when you have a coach that is touted as one of the best offensive minds in the game and you boast a new roster that is indeed better than the one from last year, the team should perform better on the court.

It's not about wins and losses so much right now. It's about seeing the team growing and working hard. Fans won't boo the Knicks if they fought in every game but still came up short. They boo because the team's plan of attack is weak and their effort is lacking.

When that happens and you've had so much turnover in the roster, you have to start looking at the man in charge and that's Mike D'Antoni. Donnie Walsh has done a fine job of getting the Knicks below the cap which is what many fans wanted for years. Isiah Thomas argued that we didn't, but he's Thomas and there's a reason no one but Dolan wants to see him around a basketball arena again.

Walsh is excused from this because he did his job up to this point. He got below the cap, signed an All-Star player (even if he had to do it above his actual worth. We understand he had no choice), and gave the team flexibility heading into next off-season.

Now the coach needs to do his job. He hasn't. And that's what's wrong with the Knicks on the court. Off the court is another story. We know there's a lot more work to be done but that work won't be done until the NBA and David Stern finds a way to remove Dolan from ownership.