11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

**dsallupinyaarea** · 12-03-2010, 04:14 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

Still don't think the Heat can beat the Lakers or Celtics. May be able to take the Magic and the other teams.

Agreed. They a PF and C away. Yes, that's a back handed shot at Bosh. I always thought Bosh was a good stat/bad team dude but watching him now on the Heat is alarming. Dude wants NO PART of the paint and generally hangs back for 19 footers. That's precisely what this team doesn't need. They got to trade him (eventually, they'd never do it this year) for a guy like Luis Scola or Kevin Love. Not saying either trade is realistic. Just throwing out a few names.

**BaselineBakes** · 12-03-2010, 04:18 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

OTOH, the Lakers are the only team who can man up against the Heat and beat them.

Plus it would be a blood bath down low. A terrible, awful blood bath.

Ilguaskas/Dampier/Anthony and Bosh vs Gasol and Odom, what other bigs do the Lakers have right now with Bynum out?

**OSUFan_88** · 12-03-2010, 04:19 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by BaselineBakes

Ilguaskas/Dampier/Anthony and Bosh vs Gasol and Odom, what other bigs do the Lakers have right now with Bynum out?

Does it matter?

None of those guys can guard either Gasol or Odom. And if Bynum is healthy in the Finals, he'll destroy those dudes as well.

**dsallupinyaarea** · 12-03-2010, 04:21 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by BaselineBakes

Ilguaskas/Dampier/Anthony and Bosh vs Gasol and Odom, what other bigs do the Lakers have right now with Bynum out?

As a Laker fan, the thought of Bosh checking Gasol and Udonis checking Bynum (or vise versa) amuses me.

I was actually talking to my boy about something the Heat could do against the Lakers. I honestly think if Lebron put his mind to it (and actually wanted to do some dirty work) he could play Gasol pretty tough. Gasol got about 4 inches on him but Lebron makes up for that athletically. Artest is no real threat offensively anyway. It's a funky wrinkle they could throw. What do you guys think?

**BaselineBakes** · 12-03-2010, 04:21 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Gasol will get his certainly but I'm not sold on Odom bullying Bosh, and if your banking on Bynum being effective for more then a couple minutes you've got a problem. Also, when did Gasol become this intimidating presence on the defensive end, he's guarding the rim against Lebron and Wade? no way.

**greenegt** · 12-03-2010, 04:22 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea

I don't think Wade's wired that way. I assumed it would work (in a few years) because Lebron would be the PG/facilitator and Wade would be "the man". I think Lebron is wired to do that. If the roles are reversed I don't think Wade would be able to handle playing 2nd fiddle.

Yeah, that's the question. Can Wade accept the Pippen role? Yesterday was the first time all season that LeBron dominated like that. As good as Wade is, it was clear that LeBron is the best on the team and they play their best when he is the focal point. If Wade can accept that, and defer to James, they will play a lot better together.

**OSUFan_88** · 12-03-2010, 04:23 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by BaselineBakes

Gasol will get his certainly but I'm not sold on Odom bullying Bosh, and if your banking on Bynum being effective for more then a couple minutes you've got a problem. Also, when did Gasol become this intimidating presence on the defensive end, he's guarding the rim against Lebron and Wade? no way.

It'll be pretty easy to guard the rim when you have two great perimeter defenders checking them.

LeBron cannot beat Artest. Artest punches him in the mouth and LeBron fades away.

**King_B_Mack** · 12-03-2010, 04:27 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by greenegt

Yeah, that's the question. Can Wade accept the Pippen role? Yesterday was the first time all season that LeBron dominated like that. As good as Wade is, it was clear that LeBron is the best on the team and they play their best when he is the focal point. If Wade can accept that, and defer to James, they will play a lot better together.

That basically makes LeBron the point guard and he doesn't want to do that. Both those guys NEED the basketball to be they're most effective. I just don't see how they present a legit threat to the top teams in the league if they aren't at the height of their effectiveness.

**dsallupinyaarea** · 12-03-2010, 04:30 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by BaselineBakes

Gasol will get his certainly but I'm not sold on Odom bullying Bosh, and if your banking on Bynum being effective for more then a couple minutes you've got a problem. Also, when did Gasol become this intimidating presence on the defensive end, he's guarding the rim against Lebron and Wade? no way.

Odom isn't hard but he's definately no Bosh. Bosh looked geniunely horrified last night and in Boston. I think Odom (whose been hardened by 3 trips to the finals) vs. Bosh is a landslide. At least this year. In basketball, unlike any other sport, you got to take your lumps. Bosh is surely taking his this year.

**BaselineBakes** · 12-03-2010, 04:30 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

It'll be pretty easy to guard the rim when you have two great perimeter defenders checking them.

LeBron cannot beat Artest. Artest punches him in the mouth and LeBron fades away.

Lebron has his way with Artest, I know you watched both of last years games against the Lakers, Lebron was the one bullying.

Kobe is a step slow against Wade, Wade has had Kobe's number in the one on one battle from their last few games.

**OSUFan_88** · 12-03-2010, 04:34 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

We'll see.

I still take the Lakers over the Heat. Would be a hell of a matchup.

**dsallupinyaarea** · 12-03-2010, 04:34 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by King_B_Mack

That basically makes LeBron the point guard and he doesn't want to do that. Both those guys NEED the basketball to be they're most effective. I just don't see how they present a legit threat to the top teams in the league if they aren't at the height of their effectiveness.

They don't. lol! There's always the potential for one of them to go all video game mode and win a game or 2. But 4 out of 7. Doubt it.

**BaselineBakes** · 12-03-2010, 04:35 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea

Odom isn't hard but he's definately no Bosh. Bosh looked geniunely horrified last night and in Boston. I think Odom (whose been hardened by 3 trips to the finals) vs. Bosh is a landslide. At least this year. In basketball, unlike any other sport, you got to take your lumps. Bosh is surely taking his this year.

lol He most definatly has been tentative and scared in big games so far, but he has the talent(hopefully the desire) and I think he just needs more reps in the big spotlight, he hasn't had too many pressure situations over his career so I'm not writing him off just yet as some type of soft unclutch player.

I mean once he realizes the pressure isn't on him and all he has to do is knock down his elbow jumper and grab a board he'll be alrite.

**OSUFan_88** · 12-03-2010, 04:36 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

The thing with Odom is that he's a better rebounder than Bosh and he has a better perimeter game. I honestly don't think Bosh cannot guard Odom's ability to drive to the hole.

**BaselineBakes** · 12-03-2010, 04:39 PM

Re: 11/29-12/5 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

We'll see.

I still take the Lakers over the Heat. Would be a hell of a matchup.

I'm looking forward to it. It's a new matchup and a really interesting one. We know the Heat's troubles against the Celtics now, it's just can they fix them? We know their trouble with the Magic, it's just can they fix them? We haven't seen what they look like against the Lakers yet and I want to see what they do against a great team without an all-world point guard.

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