How do you think the Celtics will be when the Big Three retire?

[RonnieG]

Re: How do you think the Celtics will be when the Big Three retire?

Guys like getting numbers and having Rondo will help attract free agents.

PG: Rondo
SG: ?
SF: ?
PF: Davis
C: Perkins

is a decent foundation to sustain that kind of a turnover. They probably wont be as good as they were but they could still be viable and a team that could be in the playoffs consistently.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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Any good 3 pt shooter would bode well for Rondo

[BATMON]

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I wonder how Rondo will adjust to being the focus of the opposing teams defense. Right now he has the luxury of 4 HOF guys.

If its him Perkins, Davis, and 2 other guys who arent All-Stars, his role will change.

[CWood2]

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Ainge needs to be sure the C's are well below the cap when Pierce, Ray, and KG hang it up. If he does ... and there's no reason he shouldn't ... we should be able to add an all star scorer to go next to Rondo and compliment Baby and Kendrick.

I think the critical piece is the timing of all these salaries coming off the books. You've got over $50M accounted for, and if they retire one by one, we won't be signing anyone until the last is gone.

[Po Pimp]

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They might go through a couple of down seasons, but they will find their way back to the top. Championship franchises like the Celtics and Lakers always do.

Prior to 2008, the Celtics hadn't won in 22 years.

[ParisB]

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Prior to 2008, the Celtics hadn't won in 22 years.

Werd, I mentioned that in my post. Boston was forgotten as a basketball town. The arena had a lot of empty seats and their "glory" was nothing but distant memories. Lots of irrelevance between those 22 years. It was all Patriots and Red Sox over the last 10+ years.

[ParisB]

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I wonder how Rondo will adjust to being the focus of the opposing teams defense. Right now he has the luxury of 4 HOF guys.

If its him Perkins, Davis, and 2 other guys who arent All-Stars, his role will change.

If Rondo is your best offensive player, then you are in deeeeeep trouble. Sag off him and you only have to worry about stopping Perkins and Davis? Wow that team would struggle to score 70 points if the other 2 starting spots weren't franchise type players that can score consistently.

[Jukeman]

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If Rondo is your best offensive player, then you are in deeeeeep trouble. Sag off him and you only have to worry about stopping Perkins and Davis? Wow that team would struggle to score 70 points if the other 2 starting spots weren't franchise type players that can score consistently.

That scouting report is so overrated

Sag off and you'll give him a full vison of the court AND a full lane to the basket which he is so good at getting at.

PG who cant score doesnt average 10+ ppg on a "star" studded team while not making FT's

[ParisB]

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That scouting report is so overrated

Sag off and you'll give him a full vison of the court AND a full lane to the basket which he is so good at getting at.

PG who cant score doesnt average 10+ ppg on a "star" studded team while not making FT's

lol, THAT scouting report is more overrated. "give him full vision and a lane!" No, it doesn't help Boston in any way. Rondo doesn't magically get more vision, and he can get to the lane regardless. Every point guard can, Rondo doesn't do that any better than any of the better point guards in the league. Aaron Brooks gets to the lane at will also, so does Felton. That's what point guards do. That aspect of Rondo's game is soooooooo overrated.

He averages 14 assists because every single one of Boston's offensive sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray Allen, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce. He also has 90% of Boston's team assists. It's just a distribution shift, nothing more. Utah plays a more balanced offense with more balanced passing, and Deron leads their team with "only" 9 assists per game. Both Utah and Boston average 24 team assists. Different roles, same team result. You can't convince anybody that watches basketball that Rondo has a passing ability beyond what the elite point guards do with "lesser" stats.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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Every single one of Boston's sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce? Really? How many Celtics games have you watched? I actually diagrammed some of Doc's plays for teams I have coached and you'd be surprised at how untrue that is.


The more I read your posts the more you like to hate on Rondo and his team. Also, if what you said were true, "every single one of Boston's offensive sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray Allen, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce" so what? They have a pretty damn good record to show for it. Looks like it works pretty well.

And yes, Rondo does have an unmatched passing ability. He can pass with both hands on the fast break, give a guy a bounce pass or chest pass right on the money. He was a pitcher and quarterback in high school.

[BATMON]

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And yes, Rondo does have an unmatched passing ability. He can pass with both hands on the fast break, give a guy a bounce pass or chest pass right on the money. He was a pitcher and quarterback in high school.

Better than Jason Kidd?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Every single one of Boston's sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce? Really? How many Celtics games have you watched? I actually diagrammed some of Doc's plays for teams I have coached and you'd be surprised at how untrue that is.


The more I read your posts the more you like to hate on Rondo and his team. Also, if what you said were true, "every single one of Boston's offensive sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray Allen, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce" so what? They have a pretty damn good record to show for it. Looks like it works pretty well.

And yes, Rondo does have an unmatched passing ability. He can pass with both hands on the fast break, give a guy a bounce pass or chest pass right on the money. He was a pitcher and quarterback in high school.

Jason Kidd says wassup.

[PrettyT11]

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And yes, Rondo does have an unmatched passing ability. He can pass with both hands on the fast break, give a guy a bounce pass or chest pass right on the money. He was a pitcher and quarterback in high school.

Seriously?? Both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash have been and still are better passers. A very strong argument can be made for CP3 and Deron being better passers as well.

That last part has absolutely nothing to do with basketball as well. Allen Iverson was an All American QB in high school. Does that give him an unmatched passing ability as well??

[ParisB]

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Every single one of Boston's sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce? Really? How many Celtics games have you watched? I actually diagrammed some of Doc's plays for teams I have coached and you'd be surprised at how untrue that is.


The more I read your posts the more you like to hate on Rondo and his team. Also, if what you said were true, "every single one of Boston's offensive sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray Allen, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce" so what? They have a pretty damn good record to show for it. Looks like it works pretty well.

And yes, Rondo does have an unmatched passing ability. He can pass with both hands on the fast break, give a guy a bounce pass or chest pass right on the money. He was a pitcher and quarterback in high school.

It's an exageration, but the point is you have better options at the point guard position. Guys that have the same ability, vision, skill, defense, speed...but guys that you also can't leave wide open, and guys you have to focus your entire defensive scheme on..not the other way around.

And your last sentence basically described any point guard...and you better believe all the elite point guards can do the same.

That's fine, you love Rondo. Go ahead and take him on your team if you were a GM. All I'm saying is I would much rather pick better options, and his game is vastly overrated. Boston has been thirsty for a good basketball team over the last 20 years, so it's easy for them to fall in love and hype a player that has won a championship.

Swap out Rondo and Deron...ugh, Utah would struggle mightily. Boston will be much more deadlier.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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lol, THAT scouting report is more overrated. "give him full vision and a lane!" No, it doesn't help Boston in any way. Rondo doesn't magically get more vision, and he can get to the lane regardless. Every point guard can, Rondo doesn't do that any better than any of the better point guards in the league. Aaron Brooks gets to the lane at will also, so does Felton. That's what point guards do. That aspect of Rondo's game is soooooooo overrated.

He averages 14 assists because every single one of Boston's offensive sets involve him having the ball and dishing to a curling Ray Allen, a pinch post KG, or a cutting Pierce. He also has 90% of Boston's team assists. It's just a distribution shift, nothing more. Utah plays a more balanced offense with more balanced passing, and Deron leads their team with "only" 9 assists per game. Both Utah and Boston average 24 team assists. Different roles, same team result. You can't convince anybody that watches basketball that Rondo has a passing ability beyond what the elite point guards do with "lesser" stats.

Just out of curiousity, did you know Rondo is actually knocking down jumpers at a higher % than Aaron Brooks?

This isn't related to Rondo's finishing ability, but did you also know that opposing PGs have actually outperformed Aaron Brooks this year? They shoot a higher % from the floor and have a higher PER than Brooks. Meanwhile, Rondo's PER is about 20 while his matchup's PER hovers around 12 and has an effective FG% of about 40%, which is absolutely horrible, and by horrible, I mean like, league-low horrible. Rondo's actually outperformed Derrick Rose and Deron Williams as far as those statistics go, although Chris Paul has wayyy better numbers than any of them.